New marksman? Check it out!

shakedance·Jun 22, 2017·3 votes·287 views

Style would be like a human crossbowman

Passive: armor penetration (%better than flat) Q- piercing bolt (flat damage + bonus ad) (kinda like one twich basic when ult is up) (can also crit) W- stops atacking for two seconds and his next basic hits for flat+(total ad)+lethality (can also crit) E- shoots 3 bolts in a cone ( kinda like graves basic but longer) R- gains attack speed, some crit chance and crit damage

Range 600 Preety slow champ but if guarded can do massive damage ( slow like kogmaw, no defensive abilities Somehow operates like varus, but more antytanky)

Maybe this is a champ that league really needs, beacuse there's too much AS build opssesed champs (etc. Cait, Vayne, Jinx, Ashe, Kog'Maw)

6 Comments

S0kaXJun 22, 20173 votes

So unique, and will be really fun to play against

shakedanceJun 22, 20172 votes

Thank you very much for your opinion ^_^

ModThe DjinnJun 22, 20171 votes

My fear here is that there isn't a lot of room to show off your skill with the champion, nor do their abilities really flow together.

The long range passive and what I assume is a long range Q seem like a sniper, but the E implies that you want to be close enough to catch the target in your cone. The Ultimate gives steroids (which usually make for a boring ultimate, especially when the passive is already a steroid of a sort), but the W encourages you to stop attacking, making the steroids on the R useless for that time period.

I'm also concerned that he's encouraged to build Lethality and Crit for his W, but he's given free penetration, crit chance, and crit damage, making itemization weird on him.

What was the unique niche you saw him filling in the game, and what did you envision his gameplay as? Right now he seems a bit like a generic Marksman, and a hugely vulnerable one at that.

shakedanceJun 22, 20171 votes

its supposed to be a hugely vulnerable champion but with a good poke ( Q ), heavy burst in lategame ( ex. ult+ W) and e was ment to be for some AOE poke ( but not too much ). With this much range and penetration he would be better played as an full ad champ with maybe one as item... I think the perfect final build for him would be: Beaserker's greaves/Ionian boots-Infinity edge-Essence reaver- ( lifesteal item- gonna get to that later)- Static/Firecanon- and the last item could be defensive, but if you got a good support or you're really sure of yourself, go more armor pen/lifesteal

for the lifesteal items there is a choice:

Bloodthirster- gives best lifesteal, nice ad and good shield vs any type of damage
Death's dance - good lifesteal and CD
Mercurial - low lifesteal and lower AD, but nice protection from magic attacks, cc and gives CD
BORTK - nice lifesteal, lowest AD, gives AS that is not so important to you but with your penetration that passive is pretty super antitanky

now you have to choose protection (bloodthirster, mercurial) or more damage (bortk, death's)

He would have to try going max CD just to spam his Q in lanephase and teamfights... On max CD his Q would have 4-5 sec CD and that gives him better positioning, nice aoe damage. On lane with his support if planing to go agressive you would probably go W-Q-basic-E combo. And his sterioid ult is ussualy (if you have any brain) used moment after W for a potentional oneshot... He would easly counter champs like Caithlyn, Jinx but close up champs like Vayne and Sivir would kick his ass xD

ModThe DjinnJun 22, 20171 votes

{quoted}its supposed to be a hugely vulnerable champion but with a good poke ( Q ), heavy burst in lategame ( ex. ult+ W) and e was ment to be for some AOE poke ( but not too much ). With this much range and penetration he would be better played as an full ad champ with maybe one as item...

Got it.

In that case, my critique would be that he's really not very unique. The ult is just a steroid, the Q is similar to Varus's Q and/or Twitch's ultimate, his E is a weaker Ashe W, and his W is a miniature Caitlyn ult that means he has to stop attacking -- something carries usually hate to do. As a poke champion he falls behind Jhin, Caitlyn, Varus, and Jinx in playstyle and utility (having no unique tools and no real utility), and as a DPS king he doesn't have anything other than his ultimate to really provide the windows of power that high-scaling characters like Kog'Maw or Vayne have.

Jhin seems the closest parallel to what you were going for, but Jhin stands out due to his unique mechanics, odd zone-control playstyle, burst attacks, utility, and...well, a TON of reasons, honestly. This guy you've made just fires skillshots and right-clicks, and has no real way to show off your skill or make the champion your own.

I'd recommend taking a good, long look at what it would mean to be another slow-attacking poke marksman with a crossbow, and see if you can redesign his kit to really hit home on that fantasy. Maybe abilities that involve slowing himself down while increasing his attack power, for example, or that slow his attack speed but increase his damage as he winds up the bow for powerful shots. Maybe his W immobilizes him but drastically increases his range over time. Maybe his ult fires a huge ballista bolt that deals True damage and can pin targets to terrain.

There are a ton of ways I think you could really sell "crossbow marksman," but I don't think you've explored the idea enough, and as a result it just feels a little generic and uninteresting.

shakedanceJun 22, 20171 votes

Well there are tons of similar abilities that marksman own like - Ashe w = Graves basic, Twich ult = Xayah passive, Corki ult = Ezreal q, Xayah e= Kalista e, Kalista passive= Vayne q and so on... But the tenuiqe is ( by my opinion ) really unique, beacuse as an adc you only have to be behind and deal damage to the nearest enemy, but this one would burst like jhin, poke like varus, his W does not give range so i cant see any similarity to Caits ult except the preperation (witch is kinda lesser than caits) and his e is just a bonus damage that he does... There isnt anylike tank shreeder like this one and his whole kit makes him awsome( i think) and that ult can be awsome if you play it kogmaw style... Only beacuse he's not mobile, doesn't mean he is gonna be easy to play.

He might not have any cc but his ult makes him a highly dangerous champion, and he kinda resemblees ashe in range and e but not having cc makes up for his huge poke and steroids