Help For Non-Mobile Casters

Senruc·Dec 12, 2015·5 votes·809 views

I was thinking how there are multiple items to help out with certain passives. Some of these items were not usable on all champs because of ranged/melee or ad/ap. But what riot did was introduce multiple versions of these items like and for more AOE, and for kiting and chasing, and to help against tanks, and for mana hungry champs, and for wave clear. You get the point. What Im saying is there should be an AP item that gives a version of the **rage passive ** as seen on . Anytime you hit a spell you would get a percentage increased move speed. This would help out so many older caster champions that are immobile. It would be enough to keep them up to pace with where the game is heading without having to rework them due to mobility creep on newer champions. Comment and let me know what you guys think!

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MorningEspeonDec 12, 20153 votes

Also an AD version of item 3157 would be nice to see! How come mages get to be invulnerable yet assassins, who tend to put themselves in far greater danger (Yes, I know this isn't a rule, but most mages don't go into the middle of the enemy team constantly) more frequently only to get popped.

TendajiXDec 12, 20154 votes

They do as much as ap champs but consistently instead of with a round of spells which makes them stronger as they aren't reliant on aiming or cooldowns very much or at least as much. If adc's could go untargetable they would counter, well, everything. The meta since the beginning of time has been protecting an adc (we have a role called support just to assist them) and if suddenly it was near impossible to assassinate or catch out the adc every game would be a stalemate or completely dominated by one team. Assassins would just be unviable in every way too as if they can't capitalize on bad positioning they have nothing. Team comps might become chaos with the lack of focus around the adc. An item like that would make peeling for an adc easy and maybe even not needed so ap carry supports like annie/zyra/lux would dominate (2 offering decent peel if required but like i said it wouldn't be as needed), tanks might completely fall out the meta as their power is usually teamfighting/engage/peel and since teamfights are a bust without the potential to catch any carries, splitters and duelers would replace them, assassins would disappear with no purpose left. There is a lot of balance around the fact that adcs are squishy and can be caught so an item of this sort would wreck game balance in a time where riot is honestly quite bad at balance......

MorningEspeonDec 13, 20151 votes

Now that you say it that way, you make me realize a mistake in my wording. I didn't mean it for range champions, as they have more general safety and don't go headfirst into the enemy team as often. I meant it more for melee champions because unless you are a tank with some form of engage, you are very likely going to just disappear the second you try anything, even with a item 3102 and item 3026 . So limiting the item to melee only champions would be a necessity if it were a thing.

TendajiXDec 13, 20152 votes

Most melee ad champs that would need it would be broken by it. An ad champion that needs untargetability is likely an assassin who just deleted his victim. The drawback of assassins is a lot are deadly going in to the point where it's almost unfair, but struggle to get out (Excluding Zed ....). Take Talon for example. His ult can either be used to get that jump on someone with invis + some extra damage, or he can save it and try to kill a carry then ult out of harm's way until he can do it again. If Talon could ult in and pop you, go untargetable, then slip out, there is no longer a decision to be made and some balance is lost in the fact he gets the best of both worlds. Imagine MasterYi with a second untargetability O.o or what about Riven O.o can already dodge his weakness (cc) with a q and if he can dodge all cc with an item that lets him go untargetable for a bit, he would literally be unstoppable in most scenarios. Riven has a shit ton of dashes and damage and essentially always has some dash off cd, but in the scenario Riven doesn't have her dashes or is low and needs to buy a quick second for her short cooldowns, she would be able to just go untargetable and never lose because she has an item that lets her blow her stupid strong load on you, wait for it a bit completely safe, then blow it on you again. You are seeing the issue yes? lol And you might be thinking "Well what about ad melee champs that aren't assassins or caster-like? Why can't they have it?" Well put simply it's an illogical buy. An ad champion that isn't an assassin is gonna be front line with some damage but tankiness to peel and engage and such ( MonkeyKing Sion JarvanIV ). The item would in no way help them fulfill this role because if your tanks/fighters are in stasis guess what they aren't doing? Tanking or fighting for you! XD A frozen person who can't even be targeted is not providing meatshield, damage, cc, peel, disruption, etc. It would be smarter to get tank items for defence so that they can keep fighting while being protected instead of buying a quick second for no reason and leaving their back line open to attack. So tl;dr, Any melee ad champ that it would make sense for them to buy it would break the game and the rest just wouldn't buy it.

Edit: Idk y but i feel like this reply might come off a bit hostile? If so know that's unintentional, don't mind my wordings lol

MorningEspeonDec 13, 20151 votes

Nope! Makes total sense and does a fair job of completely rebutting my thoughts, though I didn't take it as hostile at all. Very well thought out :3

TendajiXDec 13, 20151 votes

Thx :3 I wish this was possible to balance because so many times I actually consider buying hourglass on ad champs (but never do) just because I really need that specific defence from people like Karthus Veigar Zed . Hourglass is the only counter to a lot of strong mechanics/spells, but only a logical choice for AP's, meaning the spells aren't actually as balanced as they are on paper. Sure an ad version could be made unoppressive through an incredibly long cooldown or very, very low stats, but most assassins would probably opt for damage or MR/Armor instead if they had to make such a trade off to get the hourglass. I don't have any solutions though, but this makes me kinda want to design one lol.

MorningEspeonDec 13, 20151 votes

I'd be all for seeing a Zhonya's effect item that offers say... 50 AD and some other stat (not a resistance) but having the exact Zhyonya active. It should be a tool for dodging/surviving burst, and not very stat efficient for normally building it, yeah? Like maybe 50 AD and some crit chance or damage? I'm not great at making stats from scratch but it sounds good(ish) in my head.