Nami Ult Rename (Tsunami)

GRłMES·Jun 24, 2017·12 votes·632 views

There is a clear flaw in the name of Nami's ult (Tidal Wave) and I think Riot should reconsider. It should be renamed to "Tsunami". It just makes sense, Nami's name is a perfect opportunity for word play.

15 Comments

Yosuke ApperuJun 27, 20172 votes

I remember wanting to have them rename Thresh's ulti to "The Threshold" Alas downvoted lol

SEKAIJun 24, 20171 votes

"Tsunami" is "tidal wave", just in Japanese.

"Nami" is "wave" in Japanese.

This is not some great pun to be had, giving her ulti name to be "tsunami" only makes it seem a bit contrived.

TruelyTrueTruethJun 24, 20173 votes

What you just said is just more reasons why it should be changed

SEKAIJun 24, 20171 votes

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What you just said is just more reasons why it should be changed

Do you support Brand's ulti to be called "Firebrand" or "Human Branding" or something like that?

That's just all kinds of odd.

This isn't TF2 or other comedy centric titles where things such as weapons are intentionally named wacky-ly and ridiculing the characters using them.

Cup of CocoaJun 24, 20172 votes

How is changing the ult to Tsunami ridiculing Nami? It's literally just a play on both her name and her ult, because her ult is a Tsunami in a way.

I don't really see what the problem is, I think it's a cute idea. And to the "weapons are intentionally named wackly-ly", what about Needlessly Large Rod?

SEKAIJun 25, 20171 votes

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How is changing the ult to Tsunami ridiculing Nami? It's literally just a play on both her name and her ult, because her ult is a Tsunami in a way.

I don't really see what the problem is, I think it's a cute idea. And to the "weapons are intentionally named wackly-ly", what about Needlessly Large Rod?

Because your name is literally a part of your attack move, and in the same damn language, is silly?

The Nami vs Tsunami only has novelty probably because you're not anywhere attached to the context of the language or something, as they may both look alien to you to an extent so it would seem like a genius pun. Meanwhile in reality it is no different to a character literally named "Wave" to have an ultimate called "Tidal Wave"; which is already the case for Nami, but at least they avoid the obvious idiocy by switching language.

That's why I said, "Do you support Brand's ulti to be called "Firebrand" or "Human Branding" or something like that?"

Or what about, Pantheon's ulti is now called "Pantheon's Entrance"?

SpookyNeedleJun 25, 20172 votes

I think you're just being a jerk

SEKAIJun 25, 20171 votes

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I think you're just being a jerk

I'll be offended if anyone comes out to say that Poppy's ulti should be renamed "Poppy's Verdict" or "Poppy Flower" or something like that.

It's not being a jerk, it's just having issues with utterly stupid names. It's not even sarcastic, witty or anything, it really is just dumb and obviously contrived.

Cup of CocoaJun 25, 20172 votes

So you confirm that wave-- which is already Nami's name-- is in the ult name but yet somehow it's silly to want to change the language? The pun is already there, the only difference is that it's not in the same language as her name.

Also, obviously I wouldn't support the Brand ultimate name because... his ult has nothing at all to do with branding people. He's burning them, not making an "identifying mark" on them. So you can't really use that example, because Tsunami actually does have to do with Nami; her ult is literally a Tsunami.

And Pantheon's ult name is already called Grand Skyfall, so that's pretty much already an entrance to me.

SEKAIJun 26, 20171 votes

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So you confirm that wave-- which is already Nami's name-- is in the ult name but yet somehow it's silly to want to change the language? The pun is already there, the only difference is that it's not in the same language as her name.

Also, obviously I wouldn't support the Brand ultimate name because... his ult has nothing at all to do with branding people. He's burning them, not making an "identifying mark" on them. So you can't really use that example, because Tsunami actually does have to do with Nami; her ult is literally a Tsunami.

And Pantheon's ult name is already called Grand Skyfall, so that's pretty much already an entrance to me.

"but at least they avoid the obvious idiocy by switching language." And that's also why the pun even work in the first place. Like, why would you think dumbing a joke down to its most exposed and derivative form is gonna make it better?

Or Brand's E or his passive, it doesn't change the fact it's gonna be a stupid name.

You completely failed to address the point made on Panth's ulti name in that regard, instead you changed topic entirely. I'll take it that you also see how dumb it is for Pantheon's ulti to to be literally named "Pantheon's Entrance".

There is nothing to argue now, you've conceded.

Cup of CocoaJun 26, 20171 votes

So I respond to both of your "name changes" and when you have to change from Brand's ult to his E/passive, it's me who's changing the topic? I apologize, but... that's not the way it works.

I completely addressed the Pantheon ulti name actually, but I suppose you failed to read that. Here it is just in case you didn't understand it.

And Pantheon's ult name is already called Grand Skyfall, so that's pretty much already an entrance to me.

How that isn't "addressing" I'm not quite sure, but considering your argument makes no sense I guess it isn't surprising.

I never changed the topic. The only one changing the topic is you. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

SEKAIJun 26, 20171 votes

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So I respond to both of your "name changes" and when you have to change from Brand's ult to his E/passive, it's me who's changing the topic? I apologize, but... that's not the way it works.

Oh wow, since when "your name, unaltered, and as part of your spell is bad" is ulti specific? How am I in any way, shape or form, changing the topic when all there is to it is using different (fictitious) spell names as examples to take the main point across?

Even if it is, do you think it's more "off-track" than me talking about Panth's ulti being called "Panth's Entrance" is a bad name while you go on about how "Grand Skyfall" is very similar to "[....] Entrance"?

Nice try at that mental gymnastic, but sorry, it's bad and doesn't work.

I completely addressed the Pantheon ulti name actually, but I suppose you failed to read that. Here it is just in case you didn't understand it.

"And Pantheon's ult name is already called Grand Skyfall, so that's pretty much already an entrance to me."

How that isn't "addressing" I'm not quite sure, but considering your argument makes no sense I guess it isn't surprising.

I never changed the topic. The only one changing the topic is you. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The questions is about a character having their name being literally a part of their attack's name, and being so "exposed" about it like baby's first attempt at pun, and that it is dumb.

So if you truly believe that you're addressing my point, then my dude, you're missing it entirely in the first place.

Pantheon's ulti being literally called "Pantheon's Entrance" is fking stupid. That's why they opted for "Grand Skyfall", even though as you can see they are exactly the same thing (and damn right it is, as you may have said so yourself. That is precisely why I came up with that parallel in the first place, for the purpose of showing my point, so thanks captain for pointing out the obvious?), but it's smarter to do. This is also so for Nami's ulti. Do you not get the point?

Again, " Like, why would you think dumbing a joke down to its most exposed and derivative form is gonna make it better?"

Cup of CocoaJun 26, 20171 votes

How am I in any way, shape or form, changing the topic when all there is to it is using different (fictitious) spell names as examples to take the main point across?

Because no one said anything about changing every single attack name, therefore making your point invalid. We're discussing an ult name, not every single aspect of Nami.

Pantheon's ulti being literally called "Pantheon's Entrance" is fking stupid. That's why they opted for "Grand Skyfall", even though as you can see they are exactly the same thing (and damn right it is, as you may have said so yourself. That is precisely why I came up with that parallel in the first place,

"Pantheon's Entrance" isn't even a pun... Here is a definition of "pun" to educate you.

a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words that sound alike but have different meanings

There is no "other" possible meanings so it was a dumb example to begin with. You're just literally stating what he does with no meaning attached. Pantheon enters. Great, so what? What does that have to do with Pantheon himself? Absolutely nothing.

Now look at Tsunami. What is Nami's ult in essence? A tsunami. What is her name? Nami. It's clever because you're putting them together, not only is the meaning of her ult literally being a tsunami there, but her name is within what her ult is.

Again, " Like, why would you think dumbing a joke down to its most exposed and derivative form is gonna make it better?"

It's not dumbing it down. It's putting what she does and her name together in a combination. In a way, that makes it more complex and adds more significance.

So yeah, your examples kind of prove how changing her ult into Tsunami is a good idea.

SEKAIJun 27, 20171 votes

We're discussing a ulti's name because the subject in question is coincidentally an ulti, not because we've confined ourselves with ultis in the first place. The subject is spell names, who cares which button it is on?
The Pantheon's example isn't to do about pun specifically. I merely tossed it out to illustrate how stupid it looks to have a your name being literally a part of your own attack move, unaltered.
Her ulti is a tsunami, and her name is Nami. But you can't just put them together. That's why I mentioned many posts before: many only have no issues with it because they are not familiar with the language in which Nami's name originate. This is also why I 'translated' the context and drew a parallel where I said that a character named "Wave" with an attack move called "Tidal Wave" and both are presented like that as shown with no alteration is just off and derpy.
It is dumbing down. Because it removes 1 step from the joke on current ulti name, the language conversion part. Nami's ulti joke only works because her name and her attack name are not in the same language, one can look at the ulti, "Tidal Wave", and translate that to Japanese, and voila, you get "Tsunami" and you go "Nami and tsunami, har har I get it". But if you change the ulti name to "tsunami", it removes 1 step from the process, and as stated before, it makes it seem awkward. That's why I called it "exposed and derivative".
Now, announcing your name while you attack CAN work, however, but usually only on the context of deadpan humour or obvious goofs. But the thing is, Nami does not go for neither style, nor was she made with either in mind, hence it's invalid.
So no, none of it proves that going "Tsunami" is a good idea.

But fk it, I'm tired of this dragged discussion. Whatever floats your boat.