Supports Can't last hit

mooselampa·Jul 31, 2016·15 votes·841 views

Since Supports, like myself, can not last hit (quote from Riot). Can we get targon's "smite" damage to minions display in the icon above the abilities like it does for smite?

19 Comments

Officer Zyra Jul 31, 20166 votes

i would very much love that, i hate looking at a minion and go its time. nope, nope, and then the adc took it XD

EunsonJul 31, 20162 votes

Lol where is this quote where riot bans supports from last hitting? I highly doubt there is one.

LordGeovanniJul 31, 20164 votes

You obviously didnt read in the right context. Its not a ban from last hitting but saying that as a general rule of thumb supports are bad at last hitting which is pretty offensive since riot does what ever they can to give champions designed for support bad auto attack animations that puts almost a full second on auto attack times compared to fighters who's animations are slightly better but still not as good as most mages and adcs (you know the safe ranged guys)

EunsonJul 31, 20161 votes

It's not the champ that bad at last hitting, it's you lol.

LordGeovanniAug 1, 20163 votes

bruh i play top lane and i get my farm support is my secondary but i cycle all the roles and champions in the game. supports have horrible auto attack animations. I can get my cs while you just trying to insult people cant prove you are any better than anyone else at csing

EunsonAug 2, 20161 votes

I was D1 last season when I played this game if that helps? Guess you can get Diamond without CSing though...

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20162 votes

still doesnt prove that you cs better than any one else. key word better meaning that you have to prove that you can cs and that other people who you want to insult cant cs which you do neither

EunsonAug 3, 20161 votes

I guess you're right. You understand more about League seeing as how you're clumped with the majority of players in Bronze 3. One day my account might decay to there...one day.

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20161 votes

Ill just use last season rank like you. Except i dont need to look up some one elses rank to make myself feel justified as knowledge of the game isnt impeded by the people you play with or the connectivity of riots servers like ranked games are other wise my normal avg normal games wouldnt only have 2 people from bronze in it includeing me and several gold players and i still win about half of them

EunsonAug 3, 20161 votes

The bronze mentality is over whelming lol. Supports can Last hit as easily as others. You just need to adjust to the animation timing...it's exactly the same mechanic as others.

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20161 votes

its not as easily as others if your wind up is slower and your missile travel time is also slower so keep calling names to make yourself feel good

EunsonAug 3, 20161 votes

You still have to time it just like you would on a non support champion...You just AA 0.5 seconds sooner than you would on an adc...it's not hard. It's like adjusting to lag (when servers left the west coast)...it just changed the delay time, the mechanic is the same.

LordGeovanniAug 3, 20161 votes

assumeing you can afford that 0.5 extra time and it also becomes harder to gauge 0.5 seconds earlier and unlike other classes supports dont get ad runes and masteries making it more risky to wait until the enemy minion reaches 40 hp early rather than 70 hp and 80hp late game rather than 140 -300 hp

CobaltTheMadMageJul 31, 20162 votes

Aren't there already a handful of items to give supports alternative sources of income beyond minion kills?

Amasa DelanoAug 1, 20164 votes

Yeah. This is an idea/question about one of them in particular, item 3302 , and its upgrades, item 3097 item 2303 item 3401 .

ContrabannedAug 1, 20161 votes

You're bad, Bronze/silver idea smh lul

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 3, 20161 votes

well in defense of riot it does say in the tool tip for the item of how low the creep has to be to used the execute in order to proc the passive of heal and gold share. and it increases as you upgrade the item from item 3302 which is 195 hp + 5 per lvl item 3097 200 hp +10 per lvl and finally item 3401 320 hp + 20 per lvl. the issues is no one actually clicks on the creep to see its hp amount they just look at the visual bar about the creep to determine when it would be time to last hit that creep. but using item 3302 to last hit isnt really last hitting its using the bonus damage from the execute passive to take a minion from 195 hp +5 per lvl so 200 at lvl 1 to zero. it is a passive, it dont work on all minions unless you have a charge for the passive.

however your traditional supports have bad auto attack animation and with the slow attack speed with that would make it more difficult to last hit compared with champs that are suppose to be last hitting. however ap mages typically have the same issue when they are trying to auto to last hit. partly because they dont have alot of base ad to be able to last hit a creep from a higher hp level. it does take practice and it is a skill to be able to last hit efficiently. all champs have different animation/attack speeds.

where i find the issue is a champ like Thresh who is consider melee but has a ranged auto attack, i seem to have an issue trying to proc the passive of item 3302 harder then compared to a champ like Leona , i get it im a baddie. im not good with Thresh even though id consider myself a support main. and i should play him more to get better. but you know sometimes a champ just dont fit what you do well as a player. maybe that is my issue with Thresh . but having a damage identifier so you know how much hp the creep needs to be down to effectively last hit it with the execute passive wouldnt solve the problem. the problem is you dont know the amount of hp unless you click on that creep and see its hp stats. where as a jungler knowing he can smite at 500 hp to execute he is watching the hp bar of the monster. also though the monster, drake,baron ect have a big HP bar above their head that shows it. that would be a mess if all lane creeps did it would take up so much space on the map and make it a clusterfuck.

so as a support player who uses item 3302 read the tip tool that tells you how much hp the creep can have to execute and right click on that creep whos hp bar looks low and wait for it to get in that range and then last hit. presto bango problem solvedo