@Riot Skin creation process questions

WeakerLink·6/26/2015, 12:14:21 AM·2 votes·3,351 views
  • Does the process start with a skin idea or a "this champ needs a skin" thought?
  • What causes you to decide one champ is worthy of a skin over another?
  • Is there some bank of ideas for skins/general skin concepts that you pull from?
  • Is there any sort of schedule for who gets a skin next or is it simply based on what feels best? and lastly.. how come warwick who has had many skins got to be part of the marauder/warden release but diana couldn't be a part of it when i feel it would thematically work for her.. woulda been so cool.. hm?

Thanks so much for your hard work regardless, skin quality has gone way up IMO

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RiotRiot Galetta6/26/2015, 1:33:16 AM6 votes

Yo Psycho Ducky!

So there isn't a short answer for this so bear with me, I'll try and go through each one of your points.

Does the process start with a skin idea or a "this champ needs a skin" thought?

So it can start with either. We generally do four types of ideations.

  • Champion specific - So we go into the meeting knowing we want to ideate on one champion specifically.
  • ** Skin line/theme specific **- We go into the ideation with a theme in mind, with almost no champions off limits. (champs up for reworks are excluded ;_;)
  • Tier Specific - These are typicly for 750's and Ultimate skins, and again no champ is off limits, but the reworks. In these meetings we are generally trying to get a team of 3-5 skins within a theme that work at the 750 price tier.
  • **Event **- So this one is similar to skin line/theme but it's for events like Pool Party or Harrowing which happen on a yearly basis and will have additional supporting interactive content.

What causes you to decide one champ is worthy of a skin over another?

We don't think of champions like that at all. Our goal is to make bad ass skins for every champion in the game, regardless of popularity. The decision of who get's the skin is again based on a few factors.

  • Can this champion fully fulfill this thematic?
  • When was the last time this champion got a skin?
  • What does their existing skins look like, and does this theme overlap with any of their existing skins?
  • If we are limited to a certain number - who are the strongest ideas overall, not just model wise.

So to speak to that last bullet point I think Pool Party is a great example to use as an illustration. When you look at the champions in our game, lets be honest, all of them could get a pool party skin, they all work. So it just comes down to making tough cuts, since we can't make them all. ;_;

Is there some bank of ideas for skins/general skin concepts that you pull from?

We do have a backlog of skin ideas from internal submission and from the community. After every skin ideation we detail a log of ideas that were cool, but didn't make the cut for whatever reason. We also try and scour the boards, reddit, and other sites to get a pulse on what players are interested in. Some times is easy to see trends (Star Guarding Lux) and other times the idea of what a champions next skin should be is more ambiguous.

Is there any sort of schedule for who gets a skin next or is it simply based on what feels best?

So yes and no, but mostly yes. :3

We do keep track of when the last time a champion had a skin was and that does come into play. In those cases we tend to do champion specific ideations in order to get a skin slotted for them. There are cases though where we will make skins for champions because they fit really well into an event and it just makes sense.

And as always there are unforeseen obstacles that can cause skins to be delayed of even scrapped, and that can cause the time between skin release to increase.

and lastly.. how come warwick who has had many skins got to be part of the marauder/warden release but diana couldn't be a part of it when i feel it would thematically work for her.. woulda been so cool.. hm?

Yes, Marauder/Warden is a skin idea that would totally fit Diana! I remember a lot of players echoing that same sentiment around the release of those skins. I think that this is a similar case to Pool Party where almost any champion would look sick with a Marauder/Warden skin. Warden Nami pls.

As far as his skin number is concerned, Warwick hadn't had a skin since late 2011 so he was way over due, and since he's an older champion he's going to have a lager number of skins compared to most of our champions.

Sorry for the huge wall of text, but I see these questions floating around a lot and I figured; why not explain? Hope this was informative!

Riotmoonstones6/26/2015, 1:21:59 AM3 votes

(I'm going to copy pasta my answers from your other post here). :3

Does the process start with a skin idea or a "this champ needs a skin" thought?

The process start really varies - in some cases we're looking at creating skins for an event - Lunar Revel, Snowdown, etc., whereas other times we're looking at giving a champion a new skin because it's been a while since their last skin. There are also times where we're looking at creating a group of skins - Marauder/Warden, and we discuss champions who may fit in well with this thematic.

What causes you to decide one champ is worthy of a skin over another?

Again, not something that's black and white. Sometimes, we feel that a thematic is really strong for one champion over another. In other cases, it's been quite a long time since the last skin for a particular champion. We'll also hold skin ideas if they fit in with a certain time of year, which means other skins would be released first.

A good example of this is Zac - we held of on releasing Pool Party Zac because we wanted him to be a part of the Pool Party event. This pushed a new Zac skin release to June because it made the most sense.

Is there some bank of ideas for skins/general skin concepts that you pull from?

We do look at fan concepts (we actually have a folder of concepts saved that we find on the boards, Reddit, etc). We also have ideation meetings where the team gets into a room and tosses out ideas for new skins, and we discuss them. The ideas are then refined, and ultimately a final skin thematic is decided upon.

Is there any sort of schedule for who gets a skin next or is it simply based on what feels best?

There's not a rigid schedule. For example - we don't set June 14th to be 'New Ashe Skin Day".

lastly.. how come warwick who has had many skins got to be part of the marauder/warden release but Diana couldn't be a part of it? I feel it would thematically work for her.. woulda been so cool..

It'd actually been a long time since Warwick had a skin (2011), whereas Diana had a skin much more frequently (2014). Older champions will naturally have more skins than newer champions - like Annie.

Just because a skin hasn't been made in a particular skin line, doesn't mean it couldn't happen in the future. We don't limit ourselves to five man team comps. :]

Oxbridge6/26/2015, 1:51:53 AM1 votes

I'm excited to see new skins for Brand, Fiora, Leona, Shen, Swain, Taric, and Zed. :)

PodunkTheMighty6/26/2015, 4:06:29 AM1 votes

Why are the majority of new skin releases the same themes repeated over and over just on different champions?