This is a an idea i had last night. I whipped doodles to go with it last night, lemme' know what you guys and gals think!
EDIT: Enemy champions shouldn't be punished by putting out fires. That's a lot of harass for the brand without really doing anything.
for the sake of argument, Brands "Blaze" effects oh his abilities are replaced by the crater interactions.
Brands lob needs to be an aoe in order to be a lob. I was thinking about the size of a Syndra orb
Chaotic Reks27 votesI guess you could say it's a BRAND NEW IDEA
i want this kit and that last pic for his splash
Knatt2 votes[{quoted}](name=NyX Reks,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=gAGsE034,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-09-30T15:02:42.814+0000)
I guess you could say it's a BRAND NEW IDEA
i want this kit and that last pic for his splash
that pun left me _HOT UNDER THE COLLAR _... I mean I loved it
KING OF MASKS9 votesI came here to make that exact pun, but you beat me to it. Let me tell you, I'm burning with envy.
Knatt8 votes[{quoted}](name=KING OF MASKS,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=gAGsE034,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2015-09-30T20:35:26.982+0000)
I came here to make that exact pun, but you beat me to it. Let me tell you, I'm burning with envy.
Don't let your creative flame smolder
KING OF MASKS3 votesSame to you, friend. Incidentally, your art is fucking adorable.
chipndip12 votes[{quoted}](name=KING OF MASKS,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=gAGsE034,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2015-09-30T20:35:26.982+0000)
I came here to make that exact pun, but you beat me to it. Let me tell you, I'm burning with envy.
Would it help if I told you to cool off?
Edit: As for this idea, the zone thing actually isn't bad, but it's too strong. Everything resets the zones atm, and he gets huge bonuses for interacting with them while standing on them is the only way to remove them.
Knatt1 votesWould it help if I told you to cool off?
Edit: As for this idea, the zone thing actually isn't bad, but it's too strong. Everything resets the zones atm, and he gets huge bonuses for interacting with them while standing on them is the only way to remove them.
I will agree that zoning can be strong, but I don't do think these concepts are in a healthy place.
He has to constantly use resources in order to upkeep the creators. he might end up using his q on one that is off to the side and doesn't have minions going through it, just to reset the timer. That's a big mana investment. Also the craters deteriorate and will go out if not interacted for a wile. If Brand backs or roams he has to set up his field again
I also avoided using hard numbers because these things would need to be play tested.
IsmokeOregano1 votesno, the very first pic for splash
BroLane4 votesDon't go "Fiora" on Brand, I love him the way he is.
Vincent Lucius3 votesI don't play Brand, I don't like Brand, but you had me at burning Katarina! Riot! Hire this person!
But really, it seems like a good way to keep him up to date with the direction that Riot is going (more emphasis on mechanical skill with each champion having debatably over loaded kits that should balance out once everyone is OP thus making no one OP). The ult thing might not be the best idea, just for the fact that he can put a crater in a team fight and royally screw over the entire enemy team with one spell. The other thing that might not be the best is the damage for stamping out his craters. That would be punishing people with no effort on Brand's part for trying to stop him from using those things.
All in all it looks like it might be fun to play around with and I hope Riot considers some of the ideas.
Knatt2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vincent Lucius,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=gAGsE034,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-09-30T18:29:50.625+0000)
The ult thing might not be the best idea, just for the fact that he can put a crater in a team fight and royally screw over the entire enemy team with one spell.
Well, isn't this 2 spells? The combo I had in mind was he would ulti and w wile the projectile was in the air for a second bounce. But ya I agree, the bouncing would probably get a bit ridiculous. Do you think the cap should be smaller than 8? mabey like 6?
The other thing that might not be the best is the damage for stamping out his craters. That would be punishing people with no effort on Brand's part for trying to stop him from using those things.
Fair, someone else mentioned that. Id agree with removing the applying passive part
Vincent Lucius1 votesSix could be good. It would have to be tested to make sure that the extra damage output wouldn't be too outrageous, especially when that thing can already chunk a good number of team members, but it would be a good reward for him managing to catch someone in the crater.
Voidzilla3 votesReally cool ideas. I think this concept does drive home better his theme as a fire elemental.
At the time being, I feel he's just a somewhat generic mage with a fire-themed skin; the burning craters concept definitely sets him apart and gives him a more unique playstyle & identity.
Well thought-out rework, and your depictions would be an adorable skin for Brand.
Knatt1 votesReally cool ideas. I think this concept does drive home better his theme as a fire elemental.
At the time being, I feel he's just a somewhat generic mage with a fire-themed skin; the burning craters concept definitely sets him apart and gives him a more unique playstyle & identity.
Well thought-out rework, and your depictions would be an adorable skin for Brand.
Thanks man! If I ever make a champion concept its probably gonna be in this style, with a higher quality portrait and in game ~~mode ~~ model mockup
DwarvenGiant2 votesI think that it's a really cool idea and it plays really well with his theme (Well, he just wants to purify the world with fire- "Ready to set the world on fire?"- So spreading fires and making those craters, go really nicely with his concept).
Daedalus8712 votesOne of the better rework ideas I've seen.
One thing though, either the craters need to have a really short duration, not be able to reset so often, or not apply his passive.
Auryiel2 votesI really like it.
Brand was my go to mage when I burned myself out of playing Morgana (played her from level 10 to 25 almost exclusively) back when I was a big noob. I tired of playing him, however, because back in those days Mages had really shit late games and Metagolems ruled the meta, so they felt even weaker. I never really got back to him. This sounds like an awesome kit and really captures the idea of setting the world aflame.
However, I think you should explain/justify a few things.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on this :P
Knatt2 votes
- Why does Brand need a rework
- Why take him away from his burst mage identity?
- Why go in the direction of zone control?
I don't particularly think Brand NEEDS a rework, but Riot has been making a habit of tweaking the more simpler champions, adding complexity to have a more rewarding experience. Honestly I just had the thought of creators and having Brand's other abilities interact with them.
As for why do to the direction of zone control, I feel it suits Brand more. Having the entire lane engulfed in flames with Brand controlling it all seems more his style IMO.
Auryiel2 votesWhat about his spells' interactions with his passive?
The stun, bonus damage and spread. Would you keep those?
Knatt2 votesWhat about his spells' interactions with his passive?
The stun, bonus damage and spread. Would you keep those?
In my head they were gone, Crater interactions would replace Blaze interactions... although I said that the q still stunned outside a crater. Maybe take that part away and only have the aoe crater stun?
Hyrum Graff1 votesI really like it.
Brand was my go to mage when I burned myself out of playing Morgana
Burned yourself out.
Auryiel1 votesCan't say I didn't see it coming x)
stabby himiko2 votesThis would make it fun. Brand's simpler combos with extreme burst damage To a bit more complicated and harder to master combos with extreme damage and zoning :DD As a brand main +1 !
stabby himiko2 votesMaybe also with a zilean time-bomb like counter going around the crater. A fiery circle with another fiery circle.
Moonshade2 votesLove the idea of adding a mini-game to Brand but I have a few questons.
1: Would his Q still stun like normal if it strikes a burning target outside the craters? 2: Would toning down the power of his craters while adding an additional way to summon them be worthwhile? Because as it stands his crater mechanics are gated by the recharge of his W which is a somewhat costly spell. I think it maybe worth toning the power of the craters down a bit and adding in that he summons one whenever he gets a blaze combo or casts W maybe a better interaction. That way you can get craters up quicker. 3: Doesn't an opponent standing in a crater cause it to be snuffed? Thus severely limiting your window to cast a spell on them? 4: Wouldn't Q need to become AoE if it changed to a lob since single target ground targeted abilities are kinda non-existent?
Nice doodles by the way, very kawaii
Knatt1 votesLove the idea of adding a mini-game to Brand but I have a few questons.
1: Would his Q still stun like normal if it strikes a burning target outside the craters?
I said it did in the doodles, but someone pointed out that there would end up being too many interactions (blaze and craters). So for the sake of argument, the craters are the only interaction
2: Would toning down the power of his craters while adding an additional way to summon them be worthwhile? Because as it stands his crater mechanics are gated by the recharge of his W which is a somewhat costly spell. I think it maybe worth toning the power of the craters down a bit and adding in that he summons one whenever he gets a blaze combo or casts W maybe a better interaction. That way you can get craters up quicker.
Maby if Brands w had an ammo counter? so he can pump out quick zones?
3: Doesn't an opponent standing in a crater cause it to be snuffed? Thus severely limiting your window to cast a spell on them?
After a short delay. I'm thinking 1-1.5 seconds?
4: Wouldn't Q need to become AoE if it changed to a lob since single target ground targeted abilities are kinda non-existent?
Ya, but I was thinking about as big as a Syndra q
Nice doodles by the way, very kawaii
You're Kawaii :3
TheDevice2 votesI like your brain
I like the way it does things.
upvoted from a brand bro
Kal Vas Flam2 votesI like Brand as is, he's pretty much my main. If I didn't love him so much I'd be more open minded to change probably. You get an A for effort though I like your concept really, just not for me. My main issue with it is that it relies somewhat on static interactions like Zyra (and that's the reason I hate Zyra).
Knatt1 votesI like Brand as is, he's pretty much my main. If I didn't love him so much I'd be more open minded to change probably. You get an A for effort though I like your concept really, just not for me. My main issue with it is that it relies somewhat on static interactions like Zyra (and that's the reason I hate Zyra).
I hear you man, Brand is still very fun to play and is very low on the totem pole when it comes to NEEDING a update, if at all.
I'm a little foggy on what you mean by static interactions. Could you clarify?
Besteau1 votesCan you draw all champs with the deep face smile pls.
DudeWhatTheFuk1 votesCan you draw all champs with the deep face smile pls.
yes plz i find this funny
Knatt1 votesyes plz i find this funny
I drew this for Besteau earlier. as for the rest, I'll do a request thread later in the future
DudeWhatTheFuk2 votesI drew this for Besteau earlier. as for the rest, I'll do a request thread later in the future
omg LOL your awesome hope riot rewards you for this XD
Krfin1 votesseems nice! the Q and W combo reminded me of that firey god dude from Smite (was a boring game!). Because one of the skills would set up a gas zone (Like your idea of Brands Q) and another skill would ignite it and stun everyone inside
Knatt1 votesseems nice! the Q and W combo reminded me of that firey god dude from Smite (was a boring game!). Because one of the skills would set up a gas zone (Like your idea of Brands Q) and another skill would ignite it and stun everyone inside
I think I'v played like 20 games of smite and I'v never seen that god in action. are you talken' about this guy?
Krfin1 votesI think I'v played like 20 games of smite and I'v never seen that god in action. are you talken' about this guy?
Yeah that guy.
SavingPirateRyan1 votesThe one thing i don't like is that the enemy gets penalized for stomping out a crater.
Punkkee1 votesas a plat mid main i agree with everything except for his ult not changing. it's really awkward playing as brand with an ult that is kinda based off luck
Matezoide1 votesLast pic as his splash or no deal.
Rito plz
TwoD1 votesBrand isn't even bursty, he's just sustained damage. But yes this is a good idea
Stiv12341 votesSo... about how long do those crators last? 5 seconds? 15 seconds? 50? Just some magnitude.
Knatt1 votesSo... about how long do those crators last? 5 seconds? 15 seconds? 50? Just some magnitude.
I don't wanna put a definitive number, this is the kinda thing that you would need to play test first. Throwing out a specific number is hard because its all about feel.
My knee jerk reaction is between 5-10 second, as the w has a 10 second cooldown
Vikíng1 votesayy knatt
Vikíng1 votesBut for real, I think this is a great idea for Brand!
Knatt1 votes[{quoted}](name=1st Time Garen,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=gAGsE034,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2015-10-01T21:02:48.822+0000)
But for real, I think this is a great idea for Brand!
ayy 1st Time Garen
Azteryz1 voteswow im in love with this take my upvote
Clayton Tallman1 votesThis pleases me.
