Mastery 7 on Old Models of Reworked Champions

Mushishi·Nov 4, 2017·3 votes·446 views

From my own time playing League, I've noticed I myself and many others have had an experience in which we set aside a significant amount of time mastering a champion. Sometimes, after reaching mastery seven on that champ (recent example: Evelynn), she or he is reworked. Summoners will then essentially have mastery 7 on a new champion they've never played before. I think it would be neat if when a champion is completely reworked, summoners with mastery 7 on that champion would lose the blue badge and emote until they've earned it on the new, reworked champion. Of course, all of the work put into getting mastery 7 on the old champion model shouldn't be forgotten. Players who earned mastery 7 on the old model would be awarded an icon or some other symbol of mastery.

6 Comments

Chembaron YamadaNov 5, 20172 votes

Question: Where is the line? When is a rework big enough to reset your mastery and when it isn't?

For example: While not being a complete VGU, the tank update Sejuani received was pretty big and makes her feel like a new champion. Should Sejuani get resetted?

Aatrox is going to be the next gameplay update and supposed to be the biggest to date. Does he reset? How about Xin Zhao and Rek'Sai? Their updates were not that big, but changed their playstyle quite alot. For example, Rek'Sai got moved from a prime tank build to more damage focused.

This is the main concern I have about this. There is no clear line between "reworked enough to make it reset" and "similar enough to stay". It will make the resets feel completely arbitrary, something I wouldn't feel comfortable with.

MushishiNov 7, 20171 votes

Great question. While I don't have all the answers, I acknowledge all of the champions you listed (Sejuani, Aatrox, Xin Zao, amd Rek'sai) have undergone significant changes. However, I personally would not consider any of those completely reworked champions. Another example, Zac had considerable changes to his kit, but I don't think someone should start over mastering him (it's as if Zac's abilities received more depth, rather than complete changes-just like Talon's new abilities). I'm talking about the champs that were completely redone ie: Poppy, Galio, Warwick, etc). They don't even look the same as they did before and their mechanics are arguably more than subtle. I don't know if I answered your question very well, but that's my stab.

Chembaron YamadaNov 7, 20171 votes

So basically it just resets if the champion had a VGU.

Which, honestly, doesn't feel fair for me. Warwick just had a modernisation, while he looks different, they tried to stay as close to the original as a possible. And many players felt that this was successful.

Meanwhile Aatrox, who gets a GU, doesn't get the reset. He is going to be the biggest GU in history, he is just as much a rework as a VGU, just that he lacks the visual overhaul, since he looks modern.

That would mean that there is just 1 factor deciding the reset: Does the champion look old visually or not? It doesn't matter anymore if the playstyle (which is the important factor for the mastery) changed or not.

Under these circumstances, I have to say that I am against the reset.

420 gramsNov 4, 20171 votes

"We know you put a lot of time and 1300 essence to get your champion to mastery 7, but we don't care so we'll just take all that away from you because the champions abilities function a little different now. Don't worry, you'll be compensated with another icon that you’ll probably never use.”

Somehow I don't see that going very well

manahulkNov 4, 20171 votes

I don't think it's fair to say that Eve's abilities are only "a little different". In saying so, it's not like all of those mastery points were earned playing new Eve. Also, the point of some sort of compensation would directly contradict Riot's indifference to the effort each player put in to get that mastery seven. To top it off, you're overlooking the fact that "Mushishi" clearly states that it doesn't necessarily have to be an icon and this was your main argument. In short, I think he/she's on to something and you've shot it down without giving it much thought.

EarthyMadnessNov 4, 20171 votes

I mean, there is a way to make this work. Just give a Champion Permanent token for masteries 6 and 7 and revert them to 5. You still keep your basic mastery, but have to earn the advanced masteries again, which are free except for time since you can use the champion permanents instead of BE.