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AP bruiser OmniVamp / Movement speed item idea

OrangeSpider··2 votes·3,361 views

Since the change of Shurelya's Reverie, there isn't any option to get health, movement speed and AP on the same item anymore. There are plenty of champions who need an item like that. Additionally there are life steal items for AD champions and even OmniVamp items both for AD and hybrid champions. However there is nothing like that for AP bruisers/tanks.

Here is an idea for an item that would fix both of those issues:

recipe 450 gold

aether wisp 800 gold oblivion orb 1600 gold crystalline bracer 650 gold

total: 3500 gold

stats: +60 AP +10% movement speed +400 health +15 Magic Penetration

Unique Passive: Instantly Heal for 15% of all damage dealt, including physical, magic, and true damage. Area of effect and pets damage only heals 5% for every unit affected. This effect is reduced to 6% and 2% for ranged champions.

Unique Active: Grants you 50%-10% bonus movement speed based on your attack range for 4 seconds (90 second cooldown). (125 range = 50%, 525 range or above = 10%)

The gold efficiency for this is below Death's Dance and Hextech Gunblade and would work great on champs like Singed, Rumble, Cho'Gath, etc. Since AD champions can get movement speed boosts, life steal and omnivamp, there is no reason why AP champions would need to be in such a bad place.

Edited: Added the +15 magic penetration from Oblivion orb, and reduced the health from 500 to 400 to keep the gold efficiency below Death's Dance.

Edited: Reduced the active and passive effects for ranged champions.

15 Comments

VampiricNarwhal3 votes

This would be absolutely busted on Vladimir

LightswornLance1 votes

What is with people seeing a pure AP spell vamp item and going "OAMEWHFHFMFGGGGG VLADIMRI ISIJ GPJMONANAN ABNAUSDIR IT!@!@!@@" You realize the item only has 60 AP ( +12.5 with passive health to AP ) and costs 3500 gold right? If Vladimir built it he would actually be HEALTHIER as he would no longer be a burst mage and instead would be a drain tank.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

It also has hp and magic pen, 10% movespeed, and an active that gives 50% movespeed.

LightswornLance1 votes

He editted magic penetration into it after I posted this comment. Either way health and movespeed don't increase his ability to burst down enemies. Going this item completely gives up his ability to oneshot ( at least if he goes it pre 30 minutes ), but it does solve his weakness of being flash reliant.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

Do you not remember when he used to grab shurelya’s until they gutted it?

He LOVES movespeed. And magic pen/omni vamp are amazing on him too. Magic pen inherently makes him burst harder than another 20-40 AP would.

Especially when a champ has lower base mr, magic pen gets increasing returns. For a champ with 48mr and 33 penetrated, a 1000 damage spell will be reduced to 870 damage. Having this item would make the spell do 130 more damage, 15% more damage. Furthermore, with a full pen build (morello+ sorc boots + this item + void staff) any mage would be doing true damage to a champ with 80 mr or below, which means basically most champs with 1 mr item.

For many champions, eve, magic pen items give more damage than a rab cap might.

It basically gives vladimir everything he wants. Did I mention that that movespeed would be AMAZING ON HIM? I did? Let me mention it again for good measure. He LOVES MOVESPEED.

VampiricNarwhal1 votes

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What is with people seeing a pure AP spell vamp item and going "OAMEWHFHFMFGGGGG VLADIMRI ISIJ GPJMONANAN ABNAUSDIR IT!@!@!@@" You realize the item only has 60 AP ( +12.5 with passive health to AP ) and costs 3500 gold right? If Vladimir built it he would actually be HEALTHIER as he would no longer be a burst mage and instead would be a drain tank.

Well 1. Between Spellbinder, Deathcap and Protobelt Vlad has enough AP to rip your back line a new one. 2. Omni vamp makes Vlad a lot more powerful just because he won’t die with it. 3. Vlad loves movement speed items because he wants to run through a team with e w with a fuckton of ms, which the active combined with Spellbinder gives. WotA literally had to be balanced around Vlad because of Omnivamp

DorkunedAuras2 votes

You can't use Oblivion orb as part of the recipe. Riot makes sure items don't lose anything from upgrading, so the final item would have to have MPen if you wanna use Oblivion

OrangeSpider1 votes

True, edited the original post, reduced the health from 500 to 400 and added the +15 mpen from Oblivion Orb. Not sure how I messed that up.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Now it's busted in a different way. Mages can now build this + the other MPen items to reach 48 MPen, enough to freely do true damage on any squishy who doesn't specifically build MR. Immediate problems occur.

OrangeSpider1 votes

There isn't a mage that would get more damage from this than from Rabaddon's even as a first item. And once they are above 150 AP, Rabaddon's is just much stronger to build. I also don't see people building both this and morello, they would likely go either one or the other because more AP gives you more damage than the flat mpen. At any given point you can have an item that will give you more damage than this for less money.

edit: How about now? (Edited the OP again, so that ranged champions are less inclined to buy it)

DorkunedAuras1 votes

I think the main issue is that if you're speccing for maximum damage, which most mages want, this slots neatly in to help. It's now Sorcs + Morello + this + Rabs + Void. Reducing the AP helps but I think you're greatly undervaluing the strength of MPen

Pierce The Veal1 votes

You appear to have made one of the most broken AP items known to man. I guess the price makes it bad enough that people won’t get it.

Reallistically singed and chogath will not get it. Champs like Vladimir will. Also akali and katarina, I guess, since they both go for omnivamp and magic pen. Kennen will also really like it.

Morellos is already basically permanently built on every mage. Together with this and sorc boots the total flat pen possible goes up to 48, assuming this isn’r a shared passive with morello.

OrangeSpider1 votes

You did a nice calculation about the damage increase from the mpen. However what you left out is to see how much damage you could get with other builds for the same gold. I ran the numbers if we build rabaddon's instead of this item (will cost 100 gold more), or if we build a hextech protobelt and buy a blasting wand (will cost 50 gold less). In both cases the existing builds will yield more damage than if you build this item - because the 15 mr someone might have isn't enough to mitigate the extra damage from Rabaddon's AP, nor the +40AP from blasting wand and the active from the protobelt. While this item does give 60 AP and some mpen, it isn't stronger than the hextech protobelt build which Vlad uses at the moment, when it comes to damage. I don't know why you think Singed mains wouldn't use it. I am a Singed main and this is exactly an item Singed needs badly.

edit: Also the 15mr is the best case scenario, the more mr the enemy has, the less effect flat magic penetration will have. At 100 mr, 1000 damage would be reduced to 500, and at 85 mr it would be reduced to 541, which is only 8.2%, not 15% damage increase.

edit 2: Edited the OP to reduce the active and passive effects for ranged AP champions to make it more melee AP bruiser specific.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

What you ignore is that this item multiplies the effect of your base damages as well. It’s excellent to even build in combination with rab cap, but there is a reason all mages are getting all the magic pen items preferentially over rab cap nowadays. Not to mention liandries, an excellent damage item that often outdamages rab cap, also benefits off of this item.

As for more mr? You can just use it conjunction with a void staff, ezpz. Your 100 mr is now 60. 15 mpen brings that down to 45, almost squishy levels. In conjunction with 33 mpen from sorc boots and morello’s, your target now has 12 mr. Void staff acts as a boost to flat pen’s effectiveness since the % pen is calculated before the flat pen.

For most melees, at 200 mr, what usually takes 3 mr items to get, the combination of these pen items will bring them down to 72 mr, around the amount of mr that a squishy has with an mr item.

Of course, the easy solution is to not make it stack with morello. But even then, movespeed is essential on a lot of mages, and even more effective on champions with lower movespeed than on singed thanks to movespeed soft caps. You already see vladimir getting spellbinder and oblivion orb, all this will do is make it so he only needs to get one item to get roughly the same effect, expensive as it may be.

This is exactly the problem with sanguine blade. You can’t give champions too many of the stats they want on one item or it becomes an overpowered item.

Not to mention this will give AP champions that never had proper access to vamp an excellent item.

I’m saying this as a player who mains a lot of mages. I will build that item. I will abuse to greater effect than singed can. I’m not going to lie, it’s an item I would love to have, but I have to be honest, it’s too good of an item and that mix of stats should never happen.

HideSide1 votes

If you wanna destroy the game then directly create an item that will good every single class beside mages for a mages. Spellwamp is one of perks that only long fight champions should have... Thats why AP champions have already inbuilt their sustain in kit so that others don't use it, meanwhile AD burst champions are quite reliant on lethality and they would still prefer more spellwamp than lifesteal, so there can be lifesteal items and not spell wamp ones beside item 3146 and item 3812. In short, only long-fight autoattackers makes use of lifesteal but spellwamp would use every speller despite playstyle.

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