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Mordekaiser Needs to be Given Justice

Xploitelite··2 votes·2,386 views

Ok OK OK, I get Morde is a very Difficult Champion to do well with...

But he is just sooooo awesome, I mean there is no one who can compete behind the lore this champion has

And wouldn't it be great if that same lore was reflected in-game, shame it isn't right?

First of all the Base Stats Riot has given to Morde are so unbelievably weak, his item scaling is terrible, in the late-game the players end up taking more deaths than actually playing the game!

What I find funny is that Morde is actually a juggernaut but only if his opponents don't scale as fast as champions (e.g. Jungle, Team Buffs)

How can a champion like Master YI take down a dragon Early, when Morde struggles to do it midgame?

Look I have only been playing Morde for 24 hours, but even in that short time, I can see that something is not right.

Morde is supposed to be this incredibly awesome juggernaut that has made so many ripples in LOL's lore that his name has persisted through centuries and eons. Why can't he at least be a little OP? I mean if other champions are able to, Morde should be the most deserving!!! Why can't RIOT decide on how Morde is supposed to be played and design him around that, instead of structuring him like an ADC when obviously he was envisioned to be more Tanky. This Hybrid Tank thing is not working out...

9 Comments

ThisName1sDumb1 votes

Master Yi is one of the best objective takers in the game, comparing him to morde doesn't really make sense, they fill very different roles. After his rework Morde was very very strong. Now he's about balanced, but really, he's still quite strong. His kit is pretty simple so he's not really a difficult champ to do well with either. He's a better top laner than a jungler or mid laner, though. In the jungle he's alright, but his ganks aren't really great and he's not the best objective taker.

Mordepool1 votes

Incorrect he is a better midlaner than toplaner. He is a niche counterpick champion only now. The continuous nerfs pretty much removed him from high tier play.

He has no in combat sustain He has clear weaknesses, high cooldowns and offers meaningful counter play options ( dodge th E)

Meanwhile He loses to aa reliant stat check champion like fiora, vayne, jax, yi, and Riven

Also his 1 defensive steroid is Fucking garbage

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Looked up his stats and he has higher pickrate and winrate in top lane, at least the data I found says that. Hovering around 52% winrate in top lane in plat+, with 6.75% pickrate. That's far from "being removed from high tier play", don't you think?

Mordepool1 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/mordekaiser/top/diamond

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/mordekaiser/top/master

That's a sharp drop off

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Isn't master already considered "elite play" tier? I always thought so and if this is the case, then the winrate is kinda not really an indicator for the strength of a champion here because of the smaller sample size.

Riot themselves make balance decisions in that tier around the presence of a champion, which is their pick- and banrate combined. Taking the numbers from your very own website, his presence is 9,5%. The bottom end for buffs by Riot in elite play is set at 5% presence. Mordekaiser is way above this threshold, so it seems his power is appropriate in that environment. If Mordekaiser would be as weak as some people make him out to be, then he wouldn't be picked in above 4% of the games in master.

Look at Urgot instead, for example. His presence is 2,9% with 48% winrate. While his winrate is higher, I would still argue that he is weaker in high tier play than Mordekaiser, as indicated by his numbers.

ModRowanstar1 votes

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Incorrect he is a better midlaner than toplaner. He is a niche counterpick champion only now. The continuous nerfs pretty much removed him from high tier play.

He has no in combat sustain He has clear weaknesses, high cooldowns and offers meaningful counter play options ( dodge th E)

Meanwhile He loses to aa reliant stat check champion like fiora, vayne, jax, yi, and Riven

Also his 1 defensive steroid is Fucking garbage

I would not play him mid. My preference is ranged ap (mages/casters) mid with melee tanks and bruisers being top (although some ranged top too could work if its teemo etc.) I would never play Morde mid because he would get wasted by Morgana and Viktor and the like.

ThisName1sDumb1 votes

{quoted}

Incorrect he is a better midlaner than toplaner. He is a niche counterpick champion only now. The continuous nerfs pretty much removed him from high tier play.

He has no in combat sustain He has clear weaknesses, high cooldowns and offers meaningful counter play options ( dodge th E)

Meanwhile He loses to aa reliant stat check champion like fiora, vayne, jax, yi, and Riven

Also his 1 defensive steroid is Fucking garbage

His win rate top and mid are pretty much exactly the same, but he's played top a lot more than he is mid. I'd say he's better top. Of course there are matchups mid that are good for him, but the same goes for top.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

That Mordekaiser is a really powerful being in the lore does not justify "making him a little OP" in the game. Would be weird if it would work like that. With that logic, other juggernauts like Garen or Darius should be really weak, since they are just soldiers while many other juggernauts are way beyond that either through magical powers or better equipment: DrMundo Urgot Udyr Volibear Aatrox

The disparity would be a bit much if you really apply this logic to the game.

Besides, Mordekaiser actually isn't so weak currently? His winrate is quite good with 52% at plat+, so I don't know what's the problem here...

ModRowanstar1 votes

He does. When Ive played him he is fun and not that hard to do well with as long as you dont feed, and he can tank and be an ap doom lord. so yeah he just got a full makeover. he is perfect.

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