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Hate being thrown at Kalista from other ADC's.

Demeron··1 votes·724 views

I respect and use regularly Lucian, Vayne, Ezreal, Kog, and Troll around with Draven every once in a while and then I decided to buy the new character, Kalista because she had a 'Draveny' type feel in a sense of mechanics to achieve maximum sustained damage (Juggling three axes orbwalking backwards for example, etc etc). I've been playing her on my smurf for a couple hours now and have received nothing but negative remarks about her from players that lost their lane against me and the clueless support that didn't know I was using her as a projectile for the first two games helping me.

Listen, if you still live back in 2009 and think Ashe is the be all and end all to ADC's like most of these individuals seem to do for some reason do then you need to open your eyes because the arguments I've gotten about her so called 'utility' aka freezing arrow being the last word in team fights and layer upon layer of other 'stuff' like her ultimate which couldn't get a speeding ticket in a school-zone. Ashe is -in fact- mediocre at best, and that's if you're a new player, anyways I just tuned them out... So I just ignored these people and decided to come on the forums to get a consensus. How many of you like the new ADC, I love her, I like her progression throughout the development of the game, she forces another person to actually work with you so that brings another unique aspect to her as well and I just love her.

Great job in the character design Riot and anyone telling you that this doesn't belong is incapable of multitasking.

I know there are some other fans out there of her because I've played against them, but only a very few times. I think people are just intimidated by the characters main 'mechanic' of launching the character in the direction the mouse is pointing after the spear or whatever she uses is thrown. If you cannot multitask, this character, Draven, and any others with wonky mechanics are not for you, and nor are they inferior to any others in a casual sense such as Kog'Maw, or Lucian, or Vayne. It actually rewards the player for the correct input and I llke that, ballsy move by Riot, but people with severe ADHD like me will enjoy the hell out of this character.

Alright, just had to vent that. Everyone have a lovely day.

9 Comments

maikokk1 votes

lol idk what ashe had to do with this rant... cept maybe that ashe is one of the few adcs that has a good chance against kalista and may well be picked every other game because of that.

Demeron1 votes

Really? If that's the case I'm not feeling like I'm being countered. Some of her skill shots are undodgable if she's close enough, but she's not a counter to Kalista, we can just orb-walk away from her slowing arrow so that's not an advantage to her. Our spears and poke often keep her at bay anyways, I get hit with the occasional multi-shot. (2-3 out of 10-12? Assuming I keep my distance well and am not being destroyed by an Ashe which has yet to happen) I'm not trying to brag it's just cause I'm fighting low ranked people. But in my opinion Ashe is definitely not someone I would pick to counter her.

I'll give you guys some advice having trouble with Kalista.. If you really hate a certain character, learn how to use Xerath, and then never take your eyes off the minimap and actually use that as your crosshairs. Develope that skill and you'll have a counter to pretty much anybody that has patience.

maikokk1 votes

if you are busy orbwalking away from an ashe, she just zoned you out of farm. unless of course the minions you need to last hit are in the rear. fact is a good ashe will do that and there is nothing you can do to stop it unless you want to try to all in her or you have a lane bully support she cant deal with. post 6 a good ashe with a well timed ult ( when her passive is up, and before you can grab your support) will outright wreck you with a series of burst that you have no counter-play to.

Demeron1 votes

No, I'm attacking her with two separate abilities, both the spear as a skill and the auto attack, and constantly poking her. All while denying her the shot back at me (most of the time) because I instantaneously move out of her target range due to Kalistas mechanic. As a matter of fact I know that a Kalista using boots with alacrity and either Statikk Shiv or Phantom Dancer can literally circles around a rammus moving at full speed in a roll. So it's actually extremely fast, and our spear doesn't just hit and dissipate, it stays there, so as soon as I build enough I use E, she's down to 20% health, then obviously coordinate to my heals I'm doing fine and we just need to freeze lane here so and we often just kill their dps outright in the early stages of the game just from a solidly landed Q in some events.

Also, Ashe isn't a lane bully type of ADC if there even is such a thing. She's extremely squishy and I'd put my money on Vayne items and levels equal just in terms of the kit that she has. it's dated, that's just the reality of it. If you can manage to exploit that weakness with quick orbwalking while avoiding her fire and still killing cs then your definitely not being bullied. I have yet to be bullied by any combination as a matter of fact. I personally know some aspiring Kog Maw's that would make childs play of even a diamond league Ashe and they can't really state a viable counter to Kalista at the moment simply because she is able to manipulate the battlefield, especially if you get in her face, then if she uses her ult you have a Leona ontop of you about to do dirt.

I wrote this with a phone, so sorry if grammar is shoddy in some places.

maikokk1 votes

i havnt played as kalista alot, so i havnt looked at it from that angle. i just know i stomped kalista players hard with ashe. i guess if people learn to play her as well as you i wont be doing that. makes me shudder to think id have to pick caitlyn and play super passive to survive laning phase

FiendOfOne1 votes

I have two primary issues with Kalista:

  1. Her w makes ganking damn near impossible (mostly because she can get more than one out at a time; ganking her is just so time inefficient). Also, 20% max health wut. (Really, her w as a whole)
  2. The person she binds has no choice in the matter. You are enslaved to another person on your team without consent.

Her passive is counterable, so I can deal with that. Her Q's missile speed could be lowered a smidge but that's about it. I would complain about her E, but realistically at 2.5 AS and 350 AD, if you have perfect timing, you're only doing about 1200 damage before armor, and that's with 10 AA's and a Q, so you're probably hosed by that point anyway. I don't like her ult, but I can't think of a way to fix it; it has nothing to do with Kalista and more to do with either you and your oathsworn to be in perfect unison or the very real possibility of bad plays, no matter how good you are.

The only things I would really change about Kali: Lower her Q's missile speed SLIGHTLY (much like the Corki phosphorus bomb nerf). Change her W's passive to 8/10/12/14/16% (or keep same stats but current health), and lower the timeframe to 1.25 seconds from 1.5 seconds. Turn the W active so that only one Sentinel can be active at a time. OR (and this would be a huge nerf) make it where the passive doesn't work while the active is out; I like this personally as it forces a choice (though definitely ups her skillcap and is a big hit). Finally, require consent for the soulbind to work.

I don't necessarily think she's OP, but I do think she could use some fine tuning.

Demeron1 votes

Yeah, I understand what your expressing here. It's a feeling like your not in complete control and having to rely on someone else is a liability in some and even most cases. But assuming she does have a good support then they are obviously formidable. Players will be conditioned to play with this character so I expect fast usage of the ultimate problem to come to an end soon..

As a matter of fact, I actually agree with you in thinking that she is somewhat overpowered, I wanted someone else out there feeling the same way before I threw it into conversation.

Demeron1 votes

I'd try Xerath, always my goto whenever I think a character is infallable, and he always shuts them down. Hard.

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