New magic resist item

OracleZeth·Feb 9, 2016·5 votes·832 views

In my opinion there needs to be a new magic resist item. As a tank we have access to really only 2 big magic resist items. Spirit Visage and Banshees Veil. Riot please. As a tank nothing ruins the fascination of being tanky then being shredded by any ap champion late due to lack of magic resit itemization. Make a magic resist item similar to thornmails even, that scales with magic resist. Any item that gives us tanky fellows a means to deal with AP effectively. What do you guys think?

13 Comments

TohobFeb 9, 20163 votes

maybe an anti-mage health + MR item with an active that silences a target

MundoFeb 9, 20163 votes

Maybe an item that gives ton of health regen and magic resist and we can name it something epic, like Force of Nature.

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 9, 20163 votes

HP also counters magic damage pretty well, since it scales linearly, not multiplicatively (spells don't crit like autoattacks, nor does CDR increase a mage's damage in the way that attack speed does for an ADC). If 200-odd MR isn't enough, you're up against a VERY magic-heavy team or some hypercarries like Cassiopeia and Azir that you let get to late game. If I was up against some wacky stuff like Cassiopeia/Azir/Karthus/Anivia/Kayle (in some odd parallel universe), I might wind up with a build along the lines of

item 3111 item 3065 item 3102 item 3060 item 3026 and some hybrid offensive item like item 3001 or item 3156 , depending on the champion. Honestly, MR starts to have diminishing returns after awhile, and you're better off just stacking health.

TurquoiseYoshiFeb 9, 20162 votes

And that's only if you have no core item to start with like a jungle enchant or Cleaver or something.

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 9, 20162 votes

True; a Cinderhulk could probably replace one of these items fairly easily; a Hexdrinker would make a good core before you go into the MR festival.

OracleZethFeb 9, 20161 votes

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HP also counters magic damage pretty well, since it scales linearly, not multiplicatively (spells don't crit like autoattacks, nor does CDR increase a mage's damage in the way that attack speed does for an ADC). If 200-odd MR isn't enough, you're up against a VERY magic-heavy team or some hypercarries like Cassiopeia and Azir that you let get to late game. If I was up against some wacky stuff like Cassiopeia/Azir/Karthus/Anivia/Kayle (in some odd parallel universe), I might wind up with a build along the lines of

and some hybrid offensive item like or , depending on the champion. Honestly, MR starts to have diminishing returns after awhile, and you're better off just stacking health.

Versed a mostly ap team, LB mid, Kayle top(ap kayle), Sej, Thresh, and Jhin.
I was playing Malphite, and I was getting shredded by LB. It makes you realize there aren't many ways to deal with AP heavy teams. There are so many items to deal with heavy ad comps. There needs to be more healthy situational picks for magic resist.

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 9, 20162 votes

I mean, I can't see the game (it wasn't ranked, so it's private on your match history), but I'd guess that this is a function of the items that you chose. LeBlanc is always going to sting at least a little, but with 200 MR and 3000 HP, she's not bursting you unless she's as fed as BALLS.

Don't get me wrong, I totally get that magic resist is not sexy on Malphite. But against a team with that much magic damage (especially with a Jhin, who can't really deal with tanks until very late game), magic resist itemization is more than adequate enough.

An AP Thornmail isn't actually what you're looking for; Thornmail counters sustain, not damage. It basically counteracts lifesteal (unless it's present in extreme excess), but it's not intended as a damage tool. Spellvamp (the AP counterpart to lifesteal) is both fairly uncommon and not as effective as lifesteal; in most situations you'd just be better off getting more MR.

OracleZethFeb 9, 20161 votes

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I mean, I can't see the game (it wasn't ranked, so it's private on your match history), but I'd guess that this is a function of the items that you chose. LeBlanc is always going to sting at least a little, but with 200 MR and 3000 HP, she's not bursting you unless she's as fed as BALLS.

Don't get me wrong, I totally get that magic resist is not sexy on Malphite. But against a team with that much magic damage (especially with a Jhin, who can't really deal with tanks until very late game), magic resist itemization is more than adequate enough.

An AP Thornmail isn't actually what you're looking for; Thornmail counters sustain, not damage. It basically counteracts lifesteal (unless it's present in extreme excess), but it's not intended as a damage tool. Spellvamp (the AP counterpart to lifesteal) is both fairly uncommon and not as effective as lifesteal; in most situations you'd just be better off getting more MR.

Hahaha the LB was fed as balls. I just feel like we have an item for every single one of our needs vs an AD comp but not so much vs an AP comp. Tanks are some of my favorite champs to play, so getting melted by AP is disappointing to say the least. I get that certain mages are designed to be tank shredders, but I feel like for a tank you have poor itemization against AP.

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 9, 20162 votes

I definitely feel the same with the lack of diversity on AP items; most AD items help you counter physical damage in different ways. You buy Randuin's against Yasuo and Frozen Heart against Kalista, for example, but most MR items have synergy with YOUR champion, rather than against theirs.

But again, that's largely a function of how AP and AD scale. AP scales linearly, depending on the champion's AP ratios. Adding 100 AP will get you exactly half as much damage as adding 200 AP. On the other hand, AD scales multiplicatively with attack speed and crit chance. Buying 50% crit won't increase your damage by a flat amount, it'll increase it by 50%; same with 50% attack speed. Since that scaling is more nuanced and scarier for tanks to face, they get different items to combat whichever of the three stats their enemy is focusing on. (Thornmail for raw AD, Frozen Heart for attack speed, and Randuin's Omen for crit chance).

AbyssphereFeb 9, 20161 votes

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Versed a mostly ap team, LB mid, Kayle top(ap kayle), Sej, Thresh, and Jhin.
I was playing Malphite, and I was getting shredded by LB. It makes you realize there aren't many ways to deal with AP heavy teams. There are so many items to deal with heavy ad comps. There needs to be more healthy situational picks for magic resist.

I mean, to be fair, Malphite is supposed to be especially strong against physical damage comps, which means he's not as strong against magic damage teams as a lot of tanks. You'd have been better off with a tank like Maokai or Sion with tank steroids that work on both sides of the spectrum.

It's important that you were against a Kayle by the way. Her passive is very strong for magic damage heavy teams, so I imagine you'd have been a lot better at tanking her team if she wasn't there.

OracleZethFeb 9, 20161 votes

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I mean, to be fair, Malphite is supposed to be especially strong against physical damage comps, which means he's not as strong against magic damage teams as a lot of tanks. You'd have been better off with a tank like Maokai or Sion with tank steroids that work on both sides of the spectrum.

It's important that you were against a Kayle by the way. Her passive is very strong for magic damage heavy teams, so I imagine you'd have been a lot better at tanking her team if she wasn't there.

Yea, I understand that. First pick struggles. But I mean I think a new magic resist item, that gives a decent amount of magic resist and health would be a good addition to the tank pool.

OracleZethFeb 9, 20162 votes

And I was just voicing my opinion how do i get -4 on my board :c

TraxicusFeb 9, 20161 votes

I think item 3512 gets a bad rap as a MR item, probably because of its weird passive and lack of health, but if MR is what you need on top of Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil, it's a pretty good choice with 60 MR.