Inquisitor to warden?

SummonerIroh··3 votes·2,987 views

I'm here to release my item 2140 over the names of the new skins, Inquisitors were perfect, i was looking forward to buy them and play them, now i'm very disappointed with the name change, warden it's pretty dull, why would you do this? why rito!? Bring them back to the original name! item 3070 item 3070

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WakkaSeta5 votes

Based on the whole "Burn nations to uphold law" description, I think "Templar" would probably be more fitting than Inquisitor or Warden.

Oleandervine3 votes

Warden is not foreboding. You think of a Warden of the Forest or Warden of the Shire; Warden dredges up memory of protectors and defenders, not zealots who actively go out and burn down villages of "infidels." Inquisitor is a name that IS foreboding and ominous, as it brings to mind total and utter lawful good to the point that you would believe those people would slaughter their own families if they believed them to be impure.

EvilMerodach2 votes

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Warden is not foreboding. You think of a Warden of the Forest or Warden of the Shire; Warden dredges up memory of protectors and defenders, not zealots who actively go out and burn down villages of "infidels." Inquisitor is a name that IS foreboding and ominous, as it brings to mind total and utter lawful good to the point that you would believe those people would slaughter their own families if they believed them to be impure.

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Also:

war·den
noun
    a person responsible for the supervision of a particular place or thing or for ensuring that regulations associated with it are obeyed.

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in·quis·i·tor
noun
    a person making an inquiry, especially one seen to be excessively harsh or searching.

Yes, inquisitors have a name for being witch burning zealots, but the name mostly just implies someone who asks a lot of questions. Warden implies a guardian of a place or an idea. Donno, I think either imply a cool idea/story/character behind them. But..out of the 2, I think Batman would be the Warden, and Commissioner Gordon would be the Inquisitor...just sayin' ;)

Oleandervine3 votes

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Also:

war·den
noun
    a person responsible for the supervision of a particular place or thing or for ensuring that regulations associated with it are obeyed.

.

in·quis·i·tor
noun
    a person making an inquiry, especially one seen to be excessively harsh or searching.

Yes, inquisitors have a name for being witch burning zealots, but the name mostly just implies someone who asks a lot of questions. Warden implies a guardian of a place or an idea. Donno, I think either imply a cool idea/story/character behind them. But..out of the 2, I think Batman would be the Warden, and Commissioner Gordon would be the Inquisitor...just sayin' ;)

But in the blurb about them on the main page in the client, it expressly states that the wardens are going into other nations and burning then down in the name of righteousness and purity. That's not a warden. That's an inquisitor.

EvilMerodach1 votes

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But in the blurb about them on the main page in the client, it expressly states that the wardens are going into other nations and burning then down in the name of righteousness and purity. That's not a warden. That's an inquisitor.

If I understand the Inquisition correctly, the inquisitor would come and ask a bunch of questions, then if they fail to answer them correctly, someone else would come and burn the place down. Think 'Azir.' Though, in that case...Sivir would likely be the one doing his dirty work. But she wouldn't be the inquisitor. I like WakkaSeta's comment:

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Based on the whole "Burn nations to uphold law" description, I think "Templar" would probably be more fitting than Inquisitor or Warden.

Templar is more fitting than either.

Riotmoonstones2 votes

From the PBE post:

We’re changing the names of Inquisitor Nautilus and Inquisitor Sivir to Warden Nautilus and Warden Sivir. We want these skins to feel imposing/foreboding when you play them and we think these names capture that fantasy more strongly than the previous ones. Again, sorry this is so last minute.

Hellioning4 votes

As a counter point, 'warden' reminds me of a fat guy who gets shanked in a jail. 'Inquisitior' sounds A) like it's a 'kill you for your own good' type and B) sounds threatening.

Did anyone ask for this name change? Or is this another 'Finales Funkeln' thing?

Flemman1 votes

in french it's purifier sivir/nautilus so I guess it's a random change from the english team of riot

patmax173 votes

in italian they just kept "inquisitor" ^^

EvilMerodach1 votes

Yeh I like Warden more. Inquisitor has a bit too much religious meaning behind it. Not sure if that should be in LoL. Probably why Riot changed it.

Ark Angel HFB2 votes

Leona is the avatar of the sun and worships it... Diana the same for the moon.

One is treated like a savoir while the other branded a heretic...

Malz worships the void...

Brand is spirit of nature...

All of the Shadow Isles...

Mother @#$%ing Soraka Starchild

Pretty freaking sure religious meaning is already all up in this game.

But if you mean that Inquisitor has some specifically christian tones to it... then don't you think that is a bit discriminatory? Are Christian themes not allowed inside the confined of a video game?

Ideas from all kind of cultures are present in this game, hell we can't show bones out of respect for China, but a name that is related to Christians that lived over 500 years ago is "too much religious meaning"?

EvilMerodach1 votes

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Leona is the avatar of the sun and worships it... Diana the same for the moon.

One is treated like a savoir while the other branded a heretic...

Malz worships the void...

Brand is spirit of nature...

All of the Shadow Isles...

Mother @#$%ing Soraka Starchild

Pretty freaking sure religious meaning is already all up in this game.

But if you mean that Inquisitor has some specifically christian tones to it... then don't you think that is a bit discriminatory? Are Christian themes not allowed inside the confined of a video game?

Ideas from all kind of cultures are present in this game, hell we can't show bones out of respect for China, but a name that is related to Christians that lived over 500 years ago is "too much religious meaning"?

Kayle/Morgana is pretty heavily Christian. But also the basic frame of 'eternal battle of 'good' vs 'evil.' ' Most LoL lore is pretty non-specific from which culture it's taken from, or is a mishmash of several ideas. Some are pretty obvious where the main part of the idea came from- Karma- Buddhism, Nasus/Renekton/Azir/Amumu- Egyptian, Pantheon/Leona/Diana- Spartan and by extension Greek..) But they all have their own bit of unique flavor. And most are set in kind of a good lighting (unless it's 'good' vs 'evil' type story, and even then usually there's reasons to side with the one more on the 'evil' end, or reasons the 'good' side isn't exactly black and white.)

The Inquisition is pretty much all bad lighting and generally agreed to be a stain on Christian history. (There's a reason it's called the Dark Ages)

Though KateyKhaos already said that wasn't the reason for the change, I'd still hold it to be a bad idea to use such a bad era of Christianity in such a forward/obvious way in LoL. Too much 'salt.'

For the Chinese 'can't show bones out of respect' part. It's out of respect, but also, if Riot wants LoL to be played in China, they -can't- show bones because China's equivalent of ESRB would ban the game if it showed skulls or exposed bone. So it would be illegal to play LoL in China. China's a huge part of online gaming culture, Riot wants to be part of online gaming.

In retrospect though, I probably should have said something closer to- 'too much negative religious context' other than 'too much religious meaning.'

I actually love when they throw in biblical/religious ideas into game lore. I grew up in a heavy Christian environment, though I'm no longer Christian, I still have a lot of religious knowledge and have great respect for believers and the general healthy mental way of living/thinking a good Christian has. So it hits a nice happy part of my childhood to see it used. respectfully, in gaming.

TL;DR: Should have said Inquisitor has a bit too salt behind it other than 'too much religious meaning.'

Ark Angel HFB2 votes

Will I still think Inquisitor is the better name.

I can respect what you are saying, and can see things from your view point.

some sadness that you no longer identify as a Christian but I can certainly respect and admire your willingness to at least be real about who you are... in a lot of ways that places you in a better place than many lukewarm Christians.

Sorry if I came off a bit defensive, I'm just tired of it always seeming like every culture is far game to pull from... until it gets to Christianity and then people seem to go out of their way to appear neutral, to the point that they discriminate against.

Anyway, much love dude/dudet, and props on conducting yourself with some class.

Kaiyn1 votes

I think it was because, Maurders by defintion means a person engaged in banditry. A warden is seen as an authority figure, like a prison warden. So i think its obvious that the 2 sets of skins were suppose to be counter parts to each other ( like the new voli/trundle and eve/twitch skins). Inquisitor however means, a person who is a part of an organization (inquisition) who eliminate people who commit acts of heresy and other anti religion stuff. So inquisitor and marauder don't fit together as warden and marauder, DESPITE inquisitor sounding more coooler.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

whenever i hear "warden" i think of the one from avatar the last airbender on the boiling rock

Embertine1 votes

Inquisitor brings to mind a religious police force, like the ones that the church used to have. Warden is more of the person whom oversees a prison.

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