Add permanent 1v1 game mode

SwagMasterJuJu·Dec 11, 2018·40 votes·16,172 views

Alright so I think a lot of people can agree that 1v1's are pretty exhilarating. That being said I think adding 1v1's as a permanent game mode would be a fantastic idea. I come from no experience in making games so I have no idea how Riot would go about making that but I'm confident that they could find a way. Basically what gave me this idea was the new mode they added to Nexus Blitz. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is called Prize fight. If Riot could find a way to make 1v1's a permanent then that'd be pretty cool and I'm sure it'd make a lot of people happy. Thank you for your time and have a good one.

49 Comments

WinterTimeCrimesDec 11, 201812 votes

You're absolutely right, they have 1-on-1 matches at tournaments so why not make a game mode that everyone can practice. Not only that but, they could also make a ranking system for 1v1ers.

Arcanine19Dec 12, 20182 votes

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You're absolutely right, they have 1-on-1 matches at tournaments so why not make a game mode that everyone can practice. Not only that but, they could also make a ranking system for 1v1ers.

Nah dont make it ranked

CantripDec 12, 20181 votes

ONLY make it ranked, can practice in customs or something

AkaśhíDec 12, 20181 votes

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You're absolutely right, they have 1-on-1 matches at tournaments so why not make a game mode that everyone can practice. Not only that but, they could also make a ranking system for 1v1ers.

1v1 Ranked for a MOBA is not exactly right thing to do

gileskdDec 13, 20181 votes

last years all stars I believe they said they were gonna bring it to the client soon, but that it would only be available in custom lobbies.

now after they finish nexus blitz, they should work on the magma chamber :)

Elite4RunnerDec 11, 20186 votes

This is meant to be a team based game .. so .. why?

There would be a small set of champions that get picked EVERY MATCH. How often would you expect to see ... pretty much any support picked in a 1v1 unless the players have some sort of prearranged agreement?

And if two people are going to have this sort of arrangement, ... why not just have them load into a custom match like people do now?

intraDec 11, 20188 votes

Sometimes, a team based game can be frustrating when one person ruins the game. In my opinion, 1v1s truly showcase skill over another player and not what player's team is snowballing.

So what if there would be a small set of champions that get picked? Solo queue is the same way: it's called meta. Let's look at All Stars: the only supports that were played were 2v2s where it was a support and carry (part of 2v2 meta). I am not sure for 1v1s as I didn't watch them, but I can safely assume most if not all matches didn't have supports unless, like you said, it was agreed on.

It would be interesting to have ranked 1v1/2v2 ladders on a map like Howling Abyss!

Elite4RunnerDec 11, 20183 votes

... this just isn't the game for that.

1v1s don't show skill in the game as a whole, just in that single aspect.

Even being good at straight forward duels doesn't mean you have any clue about playing the game in a macro-sense.

Hell, most of the time when I play SR, I am more inclined to avoid fights and apply pressure where the enemy team ISN'T, because then I am able to freely take objectives, or they must react by moving where I want them to be.

intraDec 11, 20182 votes

I am not saying if you're good at 1v1, you're good at 5v5. Sorry if it was percieved as so, as I did not specify what I meant by "skill". I meant to say that 1v1 focus on outplay and micro skirmishes rather than macro decisions that team-based games consists of. They are of their own caliber.

Teammates can be frustrating sometimes, so adding a gamemode that promotes self gameplay more than team effort can ease toxicity towards other teammates.

ChaosReynDec 11, 20187 votes

I'm gonna highlight this right here:

"1v1s showcase skill over another player and not who's team is snowballing"

This is the exact reason why Riot doesn't make a 1v1 mode. That exact phrasing that says "hey kid, I'm better than you, and the only reason you'll ever beat me is cause I have a bad team and you got carried." It's pretty much that the mode itself is inherently toxic. Don't take my word for it, there's actual evidence of this...it's buried a few YEARS back in these forums, but it's actually right on this site, if the forums have kept record that long.

They had 1v1 and 2v2 on the howling abyss for about a month or so, close to when the map first came out. They at first looked to keep it as an LTO mode, but really haven't used it since. A lot of the players at the time those modes were live pointed out similar concerns to what I just did concerning toxicity, and for good reason. Almost half the population of both of those modes, and a large percentage of the games played, were pretty toxic in the chat logs, and were often held as grudge matches when someone decided it was their teammate's fault they lost the SR game they were all in before they started their 1v1 or 2v2 match. Even in cases where the games weren't a grudge match, there was a high level of personal toxicity through most of the people playing in those modes, especially the 1v1s.

Bottom line is: Toxic players are toxic. Doesn't really matter if its TT, SR, ARAM, 1v1, toxic players are going to find a way to make sure you understand that they're about to have an aneurism from their sodium levels, and that they're blaming everything else for it...especially you. But in 1v1/2v2 gamemodes, that toxicity feels very much more personal, and riot simply doesn't care to insert a mode that will cause such a huge rise in chat and gameplay bans.

intraDec 12, 20181 votes

Of course players are going to be toxic. It happens in any competitive game mode. However, has it been statistically proven that 1v1/2v2 game modes produce more toxicity than 5v5? Is there evidence from Riot Games what "a large percentage of games" is or is that speculation from your perspective? But you did bring up a good discussion topic regarding to duels: chat. Hypothetically speaking, what if all chat was disabled for both game modes? I see this being a really good feature in 1v1s to help reduce toxicity. 2v2s are a different story depending on how the queue system would work. Will it be premades only or can one player queue up solo (I was not around long when they were a thing, maybe you could answer this?)

ChaosReynDec 12, 20181 votes

This data is old, so its going to take some digging for me to actually find it, if its even still on the forums. The howling abyss came out right about the time of the vhuge visual update to the game in...I want to say like 2014..? The 1v1/2v2 modes hit soon after that. I'll try to find one where a Riot member commented, but I know there was one where the riot member had to defend some kid's permaban instead of simply talking about the 1v1 mode, and ended up hitting the kid's smurf with the banhammer too just cause he was being ridiculously toxic about it on the forums. I will have to get back to you. xD

Its really odd though: there's very little record of them even running the gamemode. even looking it up somewhere other than this forum. Maybe its because they're actually talking about trying to set up solo/duo modes in clash/customs soon, but as far as the stuff that already happened, it's like they want it erased from all memory.

ChaosReynDec 12, 20181 votes

I lied: it was actually even OLDER than that. It was first introduced in 2012 as "Snowdown Showdown"

And unfortunately, a lot of the talks about it are buried deep in the forum archives. If you wanna help me dig...there's only like literally 140k+ threads to look through. :P

intraDec 12, 20181 votes

I don't remember what year it was (probably 2014) but I remember Snowdown Showdown was a popular winter gamemode back then. I have had some positive experiences with the game mode and I would love to see it in rotation one of these days. If that's what you were talking about, maybe it is archived in an old subtopics like Miscellaneous?

Also, Clash duels would be amazing to have! I think if 1v1/2v2s were to be implemented, that would be a great way for Riot to bring back the game mode and observe the players' behavior and feedback.

ChaosReynDec 12, 20181 votes

Well, I've posted a separate thread asking a lot of the older players to share their thoughts of Showdown mode with me...mainly cause I'm not digging through all that paperwork. xD

The gamemode discussions, much like right now, popped up back then all over the place: GD, PB, Misc, and everything in between.

The one I most clearly remember (because my friend loved the mode and strongly disagreed with all of this) was a guy in the PB section basically saying that the gamemode was pretty much made for egotists that "have to assert their dominance in 1v1 mode cause they can't play with a team." I'm not going that far, it's not a bad gamemode...but the guy did have a point that people in 1v1 mode were categorically more aggressive both in gameplay, and in chat. That much is actually supported by common-sense psychology - personal 1v1 setups are less about strategy and more about execution, so players are naturally more aggressive. He took that point too far claiming that it's exclusively because of ego...but moving on...

He also had a point that there were definitely a notable number of people who exclusively used the mode for the classic "1v1 me scrub" moments whenever they lost their SR game and wanted to blame a teammate. My friend that I mentioned earlier...well he was one of them, and I got into a fair amount of those 1v1/2v2 fights myself back then as the guy being blamed. Some people really are about that salt life...and to be completely honest, when they picked those fights and lost, I felt satisfied af to see them lose all sense of mental composure, so I'm just as much a part of the statistics. xD

I'm not saying trying to bring it to clash is necessarily the worst idea ever...but there's definitely some things to at least take into consideration before riot were to make such a move, and the potential for personal grudges, increased aggression and action against that aggression, and the fact that it doesn't really fit LoL's identity as a team game are all factors they're working with.

dome025Dec 12, 20181 votes

Well then just disable chat and emotes and champ specific actions (dance,taunt)? And add a debuff near your base which will damage the enemy when he is doing nothing for more than x seconds (to prevent them from fountain camping, like some players already do it on summoners rift and aram).

Also people are already toxic in other game modes too and sometimes group up to bully a single person (report x guy for being x/x/x), so I don´t know why it should be that much worse in an 1vs1 mode.

Shazzbot69Dec 12, 20182 votes

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Sometimes, a team based game can be frustrating when one person ruins the game. In my opinion, 1v1s truly showcase skill over another player and not what player's team is snowballing.

So what if there would be a small set of champions that get picked? Solo queue is the same way: it's called meta. Let's look at All Stars: the only supports that were played were 2v2s where it was a support and carry (part of 2v2 meta). I am not sure for 1v1s as I didn't watch them, but I can safely assume most if not all matches didn't have supports unless, like you said, it was agreed on.

It would be interesting to have ranked 1v1/2v2 ladders on a map like Howling Abyss!

1v1 does not really measure skill though. Some champs are just inherently better at getting kills (Zed, Talon, veigar, Assassins in general), yet does not offer much to their team. I've had many games where I would go top as teemo, do decent thanks to my ability to 1v1, but then when it comes to team fights, just feel useless because I suck at positioning myself in such a way that I can deal damage to the enemy team, without dying myself. Does the fact that I can 1v1 as teemo mean I am good at league? There is other things to consider too, like how in a 1v1 you don't have to worry about ganks, so skills like wave freezing are just disregarded. 1v1 is not really a true measure of skill. You can be unskillful and still do good in 1v1.

AkaśhíDec 12, 20181 votes

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Sometimes, a team based game can be frustrating when one person ruins the game. In my opinion, 1v1s truly showcase skill over another player and not what player's team is snowballing.

So what if there would be a small set of champions that get picked? Solo queue is the same way: it's called meta. Let's look at All Stars: the only supports that were played were 2v2s where it was a support and carry (part of 2v2 meta). I am not sure for 1v1s as I didn't watch them, but I can safely assume most if not all matches didn't have supports unless, like you said, it was agreed on.

It would be interesting to have ranked 1v1/2v2 ladders on a map like Howling Abyss!

1v1 Shows your skill in a 1v1, League of Legends is not a 1v1 Game, It is team based game so you have to be good WITH your team...

intraDec 12, 20181 votes

Hi, please refer to my comment chain with ChaosRayn. My apologies for forgotting to edit the main post. I stated that 1v1s showcase micro skirmish skill, but is just a part of the objective in the macro 5v5 scenario.

Charm With parmDec 12, 20181 votes

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This is meant to be a team based game .. so .. why?

There would be a small set of champions that get picked EVERY MATCH. How often would you expect to see ... pretty much any support picked in a 1v1 unless the players have some sort of prearranged agreement?

And if two people are going to have this sort of arrangement, ... why not just have them load into a custom match like people do now?

the thing about 1v1s is that since its just a 1v1, you dont have to worry about your team feeding an "op" champion, or said "op" champion power farming. Since it's a 1v1, it's just you and the other player starting off with the same level and gold. So if you're a good enough player, you could outplay the other player even if they're playing a cheesy champion if your mechanics are good enough. Thats basically the whole point of 1v1s.

Summonah12369Dec 11, 20183 votes

Just make a custom game...

The TrentDec 12, 20183 votes

Magma chamber ):<<<<

QuadraBananasDec 11, 20182 votes

it would be pretty unbalanced tho, but yeah

TrikzterzArmaDec 11, 20182 votes

1v1 did exist a couple of years ago. I can't remember why they removed it though

Handy Sandy Dec 12, 20182 votes

Then champions like Draven Pantheon are gonna be op and Janna Zac unplayable. Based more on who you play rather than any sort of skill, whoever's the best early game 1v1er in the game will win.

Warlord RhinarkDec 12, 20182 votes

Bring back Magma Chamber.

SgtAwesomenessDec 11, 20181 votes

that would be cool 1v1 for first tower, half health it or something. id love that

WrÆthDec 11, 20181 votes

I would prefer starting with like 10k gold and 18 levels and no tower/minions but howling abyss sounds cool too

GilgayuDec 11, 20181 votes

There are a lot of super strong dualist in the game. If 1v1 is actually a game mode with or without rank, those champions are definitely going to be abused by people, and you will see literally the same 10 or so champions in every 1v1.

1v1 is fun to do with friends because you guys can choose the same champion.

TheMinezDec 11, 20181 votes

Showdown

Happened ages ago. I believe that one of the icons from it was a poro on a gift box.

Samuel MurphyDec 12, 20181 votes

They had this mode a few years ago.

It was temporary but the reason that they never brought it back was that Queue times were so long and it was hard on their systems to support so many different individual games.

5 times as many games because it was only 1 vs 1

MasterLicoDec 12, 20181 votes

i'd like that. It'd be especially good for practicing champions you want to get better at instead of having to play against a computer that makes as much intelligent moves as an 8 year old

Madjack01Dec 12, 20181 votes

All Yasuo mains would be happy customers.

With this they could at least refer to a specific mode when they ask for a 1vs1 during a SR match.

ArammusDec 12, 20181 votes

remember, 5 years ago when there was an actual 1v1 2v2 map in plan? magma chamber.

also im pretty sure 1v1 would come down to 1 thing: who can pick zed first.

FullmuteAll playDec 12, 20181 votes

and get Galio in his face ?

ArammusDec 12, 20181 votes

sure if zed is stupid enough to not keep his w to disengage galio lol.

Flawless FetusDec 12, 20181 votes

It's been tried and scrapped in the past. Likely not gonna happen.

Despìca BìllDec 12, 20181 votes

I'd love to see it. The four ball-and-chains I'm usually stuck with are a piece of content I could do without.

HyelinDec 12, 20181 votes

just make it so you can choose a champ, other guy chooses a champ, and then its a 50/50 on which champ you get. no unbalanced matches that way just skill level

BioticFluxDec 12, 20181 votes

Yes! Prizefight is my favourite part of Nexus Blitz!

[zombie-nunu-hearts]

PadoµchDec 12, 20181 votes

Remember Magma Chamber? No? Ok I am old... :D

I wish that map would be here..

DeracadaVenomDec 12, 20181 votes

I have my secret 1v1 weapon

Elise

Bring it on

AkaśhíDec 12, 20181 votes

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I have my secret 1v1 weapon

Bring it on

It's not a secret anymore lul

HunkculesDec 12, 20181 votes

Prize fight is so dope, the sound effects too

Tarquin96Dec 12, 20181 votes

I remember one year they actually did a 1v1/2v2 game mode ,just dont remember when

doiminat0r3600Dec 12, 20181 votes

Custom games are so fun that way.

Also, if we make any of these modes people are suggesting permanent, then they will just get boring again. Remember when people suggested Dominion be permanent? They did it and before it was removed, average was ~300 players/day.

rayzoDec 12, 20181 votes

i mean customs are a thing

Mr VoidlingDec 12, 20181 votes

Instead you can just create a 1v1 group, and have people who wanna 1v1 join that and play/talk with each other. Make the League fight club happen, if you really want it.

PengnutDec 16, 20181 votes

Wouldn't this only benefit assassins and the like? What about supports and tanks? I feel like some champions would be left out... [cass-cry]