Skip to content

Vote To Dodge- Suggestion

Jolly The Kid··67 votes·2,452 views

Hello, Summoners! Start at the Volibear to skip the story. So recently I was in a game lobby and the support was auto-filled. This interesting individual decided that he did not want to support and tried making us dodge. He locked in Garen support and chose smite and cleanse. Everyone was fighting and I took the hit and dodged for everyone. I received an LP penalty and a 5 minute restriction. I contacted Riot Games support and I complained and suggested my idea. The person I contacted was very supportive and kind. The idea I suggested was a Volibear 'Vote to Dodge' system. It's self explanatory, a team in a lobby can all vote to dodge a game. I'm not sure what would be the ratio of Yes to No in order to dodge. I would assume it couldn't be unanimous though, in case there is a troll that doesn't want to dodge. Please leave feedback and tell me what you think. -Jack, a fellow summoner

Edits:

-Thanks for the feedback! -An issue brought up was premades abusing the system. I don't see this happening in solo/duo rank with the most power they can obtain being 2 votes. Still giving majority to the rest of the players. (Still open for comments on this issue)

-Another issue brought up was toxicity increasing with this system. I really do think this system will dodge more toxicity than it will ever create. Like I said in one my replies, often times nobody wants to dodge and the game actually starts. Now with a troll, it's a toxic mess and almost 100% a loss. I think voting to dodge will really help these situations

-Some people suggested reporting players after/during lobby. I think this is a great idea and can possibly reduce a lot less lobby trolls.

**BIGGEST ISSUE: People Dodging because of bad comps. I am not sure how serious this is, but if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. Right now the only logical fix to this is to implement a much more reasonable penalty. **

POSSIBLE FIXES TO THE BIGGEST ISSUE:

Fix 1) Having only a certain amount of 'vote to dodge'. Similar to ARAM and rerolls

Fix 2) " I think it's a good idea. It should be followed up by LP loss and Queue Times increases the more you dodge to prevent abuse with the counter resetting to 0 everytime you enter a game successfully.

Something like: first dodge = - 3LP 0min added queue time 2nd dodge = - 6LP 3min added queue time 3rd dodge = - 9LP 6 min added queue time and so on..." -Blossom Dead

EDITl: Adding a report player in champion select is now a big suggestion and possible aspect that could reduce trolling.

55 Comments

Iffy Jarl13 votes

This would encourage children who don't get their 1 trick role to troll. Now it's "maybe if i hover this troll pick they will dodge, maybe ill even lock it in" with a vote to dodge not only would their be more certainty to it but I beleive more people would be likley to do it

Jolly The Kid7 votes

It's better than a 5 minute penalty :/ (in my opinion)

Iffy Jarl4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jolly The Kid,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=BdpqOKXO,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-01-06T14:11:39.995+0000)

It's better than a 5 minute penalty :/ (in my opinion)

That doesn't address the problem to ur solution

Jolly The Kid5 votes

Can you clarify?

AmazoX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Iffy Jarl,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=BdpqOKXO,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2018-01-06T15:09:42.724+0000)

That doesn't address the problem to ur solution

It avoid's the whole problem of having a punishment for dodging too many times when someone does this.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Iffy Jarl,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=BdpqOKXO,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-01-06T11:55:23.000+0000)

This would encourage children who don't get their 1 trick role to troll. Now it's "maybe if i hover this troll pick they will dodge, maybe ill even lock it in" with a vote to dodge not only would their be more certainty to it but I beleive more people would be likley to do it

Well I can do that anyway and get a dodge out of someone more often than not.

Iffy Jarl1 votes

Just to clarify the problem with the presented system is that it incentivizes people to troll, lets say 40 percent of the user base is willing to hover a troll champ in order to force a dodge, lets say 30 are willing to lock in that champ and 20 are willing to go into the game with that pick in order to troll because they didn't get their way. I believe that with a vote to dodge system the number of players willing to hover and lock in a troll pick will increase because they have the safety net of the vote to dodge system.

passıon1 votes

This is solid reasoning, and enough to shut down the entire idea. I'd rather not have to deal with these types of people at all. It's succumbing to elo terrorists, and that kills the game

Azeranth1 votes

Riot games does not negotiate with terrorists

JPLangley6 votes

[deleted]

Jolly The Kid4 votes

{quoted}

Would it include a minimal dodge penalty? Like everyone gets tagged with say, -2 or -3 LP for voting to team dodge?

I am thinking it has to be that way due to people dodging because of team comps not looking good.

GettemClone1 votes

whats the point then ??

people dont dodge now cause they dont wanna lose lp .. what makes you think 4 players would vote dodge and lose 2lp anyway ?

Jolly The Kid1 votes

{quoted}

whats the point then ??

people dont dodge now cause they dont wanna lose lp .. what makes you think 4 players would vote dodge and lose 2lp anyway ?

There would be no penalty if they all voted?

Azeranth1 votes

There should be something. No matter how small, it should be something to way "I don't want to play this game" against "awww but inconvenient cost"

Every Lee Skin5 votes

I agree, I'm sick of getting in lobbies and having people tilted after a previous game. If we could take a vote to stop the trolling before the game even starts I think it will be a great step forward for all players.

HowAboutWeNaut5 votes

Honestly this is perfect. I would also like to add to it the possibility to add a report feature after voting simply to hold these trolls accountable because I've had quite a few games where a player(s) will hold players at "hostage" during champ select to either get their preferred role or to simply tilt and it's just plain toxic.

Troll for Trump5 votes

For the people saying it would be abused by premades, it wouldn't be abused any more than the current ff system is by premades.

This can be reduced by making punishment less strict, but that would lead to too much use from regular soloQers to have dodges a lot more frequently.

Just think it's going to be abused too hard one way or another.

Daunt4 votes

Whenever a team gets a worse team comp they'd just dodge. Bad idea.

Jolly The Kid3 votes

{quoted}

Whenever a team gets a worse team comp they'd just dodge. Bad idea.

I seriously doubt it. People don't dodge now with trolls on their team. Granted there is a penalty now, but from what I see, people are eager to get into games. A lot of situations end in "We got this" even if the comp looks bad.

Daunt3 votes

It happens the higher you go. People actually realize that it's better to lose 3 LP instead of 16 while not losing any MMR which is all that really matters. And in certain comps you can literally tell the outcome of a game before it even begins. You won't be able to get to a game in high elo if this ever got implemented.

GiftedGod1 votes

I think most people are right when saying this would most likely be a bad idea. Most of there reason are correct too. Your doubt that people would NOT abuse this seems to put to much faith in the league community. The reason people play with trolls and bad team comps is because they have a penalty for dodging. If you remove that penalty people would abuse it, I sure as hell would. Don't get me wrong, if this is implemented right it would be a great idea. But as you have it now, it seems much to easy to exploit.

GettemClone4 votes

this is a very bad idea and here is why :

1- it will encourage trolls to troll even more when their champ is banned or picked ( they will troll so people would vote dodge ) 2- it can be abused by teammates when they realize the enemy team has really strong picks ( hey guys our picks are no match can we just vote dodge, we wont lose anything ) 3- high tier players might abuse it ( challenger ) since everyone knows everyone there .. 4- premades will 100% abuse it

Jolly The Kid4 votes

{quoted}

this is a very bad idea and here is why :

1- it will encourage trolls to troll even more when their champ is banned or picked ( they will troll so people would vote dodge ) 2- it can be abused by teammates when they realize the enemy team has really strong picks ( hey guys our picks are no match can we just vote dodge, we wont lose anything ) 3- high tier players might abuse it ( challenger ) since everyone knows everyone there .. 4- premades will 100% abuse it

Regarding number 1. I understand this reason, it's been brought up before. When people try to make people dodge right now with the current system, often times a lot of people don't want to dodge. A lot of games, no one dodges and the game begins despite the Alistar ADC. I think people doing it more often and allowing teammates to dodge is a much better option than having 9 people enter a toxic 30 minute game with a much bigger LP loss. Regarding number 2. I am trying to figure this one out, because this is a big issue. I am thinking maybe a penalty, but not as harsh as the lp loss and 5 min restriction Regarding number 3, I have limited knowledge on this subject. Regarding number 4. I have answered this before. The max power a premade has in a solo/duo ranked is 2! leaving 3 other votes. If one is a troll, leaving 2 other votes to oppose. Thank you for the feedback!

AmazoX1 votes

{quoted}

this is a very bad idea and here is why :

1- it will encourage trolls to troll even more when their champ is banned or picked ( they will troll so people would vote dodge ) 2- it can be abused by teammates when they realize the enemy team has really strong picks ( hey guys our picks are no match can we just vote dodge, we wont lose anything ) 3- high tier players might abuse it ( challenger ) since everyone knows everyone there .. 4- premades will 100% abuse it

Just make it all 5 votes & disable it in 5v5 Flex queue, problem solved.

passıon1 votes

How does that solve anything?

Urs Untruely3 votes

+1 for sure!!!!!

Too many trolls, we need a way to curb them.

Sir Fancylad3 votes

This is gonna be a "yeah" from me dawg. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I just won a match with OP, but I would have loved to select a dodge when our bot lane started being toxic in champ select. Not taking the lp loss when you KNOW its a dodge game would be very good.

Jolly The Kid1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ninja Academy,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=BdpqOKXO,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-01-06T15:37:58.541+0000)

This is gonna be a "yeah" from me dawg. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I just won a match with OP, but I would have loved to select a dodge when our bot lane started being toxic in champ select. Not taking the lp loss when you KNOW its a dodge game would be very good.

Thanks, mate! Yes, that bot was very toxic, but at least we pulled it together and won. GG!

Blossom Dead3 votes

I think it's a good idea. It should be followed up by LP loss and Queue Times increases the more you dodge to prevent abuse with the counter resetting to 0 everytime you enter a game successfully.

Something like: first dodge = - 3LP 0min added queue time 2nd dodge = - 6LP 3min added queue time 3rd dodge = - 9LP 6 min added queue time and so on...

Yi Bencheikh1 votes

what about people who are in promos and don't wanna dodge

DJ 019751 votes

One consequence-free dodge if you're in promos. One. Even if you play 2 out of the 5 games after that, you don't get another.

Summonah123691 votes

I would rather much have it a certain person gets kicked out of the lobby and replaced with a new one that was queuing.

Pinkaj1 votes

This idea was suggested several times, glad you got to talk to a Rioter :D Maybe it'll be implemented sometime soon

Drozas1 votes

It will make matchmaking longer, already makes it with the 5/15 min penalty but that is something you need to swallow some times

that and the layer of toxicity it will add to champion select

Jolly The Kid1 votes

Possibly, but longer queue times would be a consequence to voting yes to a dodge- which is completely optional. Also, I've had games where no one would dodge the troll and I couldn't dodge (promos) and the game actually starts. Games like these are 100% loss and toxic beyond belief. I think this is much worse than what toxicity 'Vote To Dodge' can bring to lobbies.

HeimerLmao1 votes

Just add reports in champ selects. Before dodging you report the player. If the player was really trolling, you get lp back and the time penalty is lifted.

Goolookin4 votes

Interesting idea to get your LP back, this system really does need to be worked on. :\

Jolly The Kid1 votes

{quoted}

Interesting idea to get your LP back, this system really does need to be worked on. :\

Yes. If not this way, any kind of way is okay. I just want this to be better for summoners.

Lit Corn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jolly The Kid,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=BdpqOKXO,comment-id=000f00000000,timestamp=2018-01-06T18:35:23.402+0000)

Yes. If not this way, any kind of way is okay. I just want this to be better for summoners.

this guy is the president we all need , make league of legends great again .

(but how can riot know if the guy actually trolled ?)

Azeranth1 votes

Reminds me of a quote from IWillDomimate "I didn't know you could int I'm champ select, but I'm witnessing it right now"

DJ 019751 votes

Yeah, I'm behind this. Though you CAN have a toxic duo in solo-duo that both vote no just to troll you so it would have to be 3/5 and even then I feel like maybe it would still get abused too much.

xelaker1 votes

yea I want premade groups dodging errrthing

Dragonface1 votes

I think the simplest way to do it would be to have a "target" for the dodge. Someone on your team gets targeted by the group to take the (full) LP hit for the dodge. That'll discourage trolling, and discourage dodging because of comps for premades, as pretty much no one would want to eat the LP loss for a group. Sure, like with the "remake" system, it may get abused sometimes, but it'll also be utilized properly way more often than not.

Edit: 5 man premades should have this feature completely disabled to avoid abusing, and 3 man premades should require a 4th person to vote to dodge.

Plastic 5 ADC1 votes

Yes this would be nice, being able to dodge actual trolls.

And make the decliner(s) of the vote (if there's less of em have a couple minute penalty so that the rolls dont go in the same game again)

Stranger Teams1 votes

Hey

Actually I think your idea is overall great. Though this is a debate that came up on those forums so many times, and we can just hope that Riot Games is taking our advices into account. I think the perfect balance would be :

  • In a normal lobby (3-man premade or less), we need 4 "yes" to dodge
  • The full premade (5-man group) can't dodge - this is to avoid the "bad comp dodge"
  • If there is a lobby with 4 premade, then we need an unanimous vote (I know there could be some lonely trollers that dont want to vote "yes" then, but still, a 4-man premade shouldn't have too much impact on a solo player that could get trolled even harder by the premade)
  • After that a team made a successful dodge, the 5 players must wait 3 minutes before Q-ing again (that's just to make sure ppl wont take this system too lightly)
  • But people will be able to do something during these 3 minutes ! Basically they will be able to report the other players of their team - and the system will analyze the lobby's chat - and maybe the summoners spells also ? Not sure about that one but hey, I never heard of a smite-cleanse toplaner that did great. The system will then determinate if the player deserves his ban.

That's all for me. Sorry for my bad englando btw, i'm no native speaker. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Irokaiser1 votes

Great Idea!

Azeranth1 votes

It should have to be unanimous to dodge. That's what I think

fƒ151 votes

I couldn't find the volibear Oh! That's what he looks like I've never seen that icon before in my 7 years of playing? [sg-lux-2]

RunninInThe90s1 votes

Have a "Report and Dodge" button during champion select. You report the player that's being toxic, and then you dodge the game and take an LP penalty.

If the report is found to be valid, you get your LP returned to you.

If the report is invalid, you don't get the LP back, and you get a queue time penalty on top of it.

notawinner1 votes

I think, with some restrictions, it could be a good idea

More from Concepts & Creations

More by Jolly The Kid