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Thoughts about maybe improving Singed? (theorycrafting really but curious)

BlazarKitten··1 votes·858 views

Okay, so i'm relatively new to League only level 22, so you know i don't exactly know balance like the other better players, but in my opinion singed is lacking a little and it sorta makes me sad because he's so cool and fun, and his kit is strong, buuuuut in my opinion his game play is not. soooo i rattled my brain thinking "if i could improve Singed how would i do it?"

First of all i think his Q and E are fine as they are, they're solid (in my opinion >.> once again i'm new feel free to correct me)

His W, Is good sure, Buuuuut feels like, combo with E or go home crying, and his ult i feel you could actually make a little weaker and replace the W with it.

But then i was like.... "But then i've got to think of a Ult..." then I remembered reading in Lore about a noxian invasion and Riven called out for aid and Singed basically nuked it with biochemicals. So I thought that actually would make an interesting ult. Now i'm not sure about numbers so i'd leave that to you so i don't make it stupidly OP or a useless ult. But what about, an Aoe DoT that scales in damage the longer an enemy stands in it? because you know, the more chemicals you breath in the faster you die. As I said, absolutely no clue about numbers but it's an interesting ult, that singed could actually use in team fights. it could synergise with Allied crowd control. It could help zone enemies. and i think Singed's problem is his team fighting is, hope not to die while you run in and hope to flip someone then run away.

So What do you think? Ult moved to replace W but toned back a bit so he doesn't have two ults. then change his ult to some kind of AoE DoT that scales in damage = to the duration the enemy spends in the area?

11 Comments

BlunterMonk1 votes

Well.... I personally think Singed is not meant to have much of a team fight presence. He's more of the sacrificial distraction. The golden rule is "don't chase singed". He's super annoying and will easily bait you into wanting to kill him. But he is just so darn hard to kill that you're wasting time going after him.

Cool ideas yes, but I think it would change a lot of what Singed is about.

BlazarKitten1 votes

but would it really, don't chase singed would still be there becase his original movement speed ult and have his q to still make him risky to kill.

And the new ult wouldn't change to much, except the fact he can now use an ability in a team fight without severely risking suicide, but still have the option to go for the sneaky W if you're confident.

His ult would fit lore wise because past actions as i mentioned. and it is an ult so it's still only one ability he could safetly use on a high cooldown in a team fight.

But yeah i took a risky choice to try to and change a champion so he'd be played more rather than mainly by trolls, but also try and change him without actually changing "him"

Akenero1 votes

Try building a ton of movespeed on singed

It increases your q's mana:area ratio

And yeah, singed is based off of pressure theory, where you force multiple people to kill you, while your team wins teamfights

BlazarKitten1 votes

yeah but i feel singed has a weird player level to skill ratio, i feel like he's only good at the low levels becase any higher level player shouldn't bothering to kill him just poking when they can, don't chase him and just push the lane, because he's not much of a threat to push forward, but at the early levels excluding smurfs, so a legitimate low level wouldn't be as good as learning how to kite with him as effectively and how to abuse his W-E combo as much,so it's basically, get good with him quick or smurf with him because, low levels may not be aware of the golden rule so free kills.

I dunno what i'm trying to say is, his kit is good, but you can't play him at higher elo because no one is going to fall for your traps, and new players won't be as good at making the traps so he is looked at to be a meh champion so i wanted to give him just that little more.

Onimarus1 votes

Singed is actually incredibly strong and is considered one of the best split-pushers in the game. If you implement these changes, all you're doing is severely hurting his entire kit.

What people need to understand is that Singed isn't really about damage. He's an AP tank. In a sense, he's like amumu but with more survivability and less CC.

A good Singed would constantly push top and take towers, but also teleport to other lanes for ganks/teamfights. The main job of Singed is to bum-rush the enemy carries and fling them closer to the enemy team (or fling bruisers away from your carries), while receiving focus from those attempting to prevent you from doing that. His secondary job is to constantly split-push. Hardly anybody in the game will be capable of capturing Singed when he has his ult up and ghost. Even if they can keep up, more likely than not they're going to die due to the poison clouds trailing behind him.

Singed is one of the last champions in the game who needs reworks/changes like this. If you feel he's too underpowered, that's something on your end.

BlazarKitten1 votes

Oh he is? I've never seen him do that well, i've never really seen him put too much pressure forward on top lane, only pressure when chased. I've seen him flip champs in a team fight but then leave and that's it, at least blitzcrank and thresh can do a similar job but safer and can hold them for longer, even though those have a chance to miss. but chance to miss or chance to get destroyed while walking up to them to hopefully throw them far enough to make them an easy kill for the team and then escape alive?

Onimarus1 votes

The thing about him is that he has to rely on his teammates to not be complete idiots when his TP isn't up. Other than that, there are few champions I can think of that can split-push better than Singed. Yeah, his abilities don't really show big numbers or seem obviously strong for it, but coupled together, it makes him pretty damn impossible to catch up to without dying.

Blitz and Thresh are bad comparisons, though. While Singed does fling carries into your team, he doesn't actually run away, but instead focuses on the support (or any other fed squishies). His sustained damage is significant enough to warrant blowing CC on him, too (unless the team facing Singed is all bruisers/tanky).

I agree that his kit is boring, though. Is he weak? Definitely not.

Also, a Singed who gets "destroyed" when charging into the team is a Singed who built terribly.

LSmaster161 votes

Agree with the ult, disagree with removing e. His flip is basically his only way to make you go through his poison. Maybe replace w instead or just make it give mini ult stats on cast, or maybe on successful we combo. Also, fling is too funny to get rid of.

BlazarKitten1 votes

Oh, is his fling his e? whoops i thought it was his w, my bad :P i meant keep fling and poison

Nixtarma1 votes

Try looking at the passive.

Most of the talk I have seen in the past couple of years about Singed was in trying to find a way to make his passive more interesting, because with the current state, it mostly just makes him want to build more mana than he normally would, and it does not really make sense themeatically.

The ult isn't great, but it does kind of make sense for a Mad Chemist. What would you do with a new passive and a modified ult?

BlazarKitten1 votes

The ult i already mentioned in my post, remove the slow(+stun if flipped onto it) and replace it with his current ult, then make his ult and AoE DoT bio chemical bomb, to reference what he did in the noxian invasion when riven called for aid

as for the passive... i really don't know, i'm actually too worried to change to because i feel anything i do would actually change singed as a champion. Maybe just switch it to the same effect but reverse so he build tanky items and gets bonus mana for doing so? I'm really not sure.

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