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Why Haven't You Played Swain?

Aqwafina··7 votes·2,350 views

Just a quick discussion on Swain and why you should play him. Enjoy?

33 Comments

Spoofghoul2 votes

Swains auto attacks are horrible

And he lacks wave clear aswell as mobility

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Because I'm sure everyone would hate me for this build idea i have for him...

Swain : item 3027 item 3040 item 3116 item 3151 item 3110 item 3065

At level 18 Swain will have 3373 maximum mana with this build. And 3% of your max mana is converted into AP. In this case you will net about 101.19 AP just from the Unique passive of Seraph's Embrace. Not to mention all the AP he gets from the items base stats:

  • item 3116 = 100 AP
  • item 3027 = 80 AP (with passive 120)
  • item 3040 = 80 AP (total with its unique passive increase from other items in the build 181.19)
  • item 3151 = 80 AP

Ending total: AP 481.19 give or take depending on Runes and Masteries...

Aqwafina1 votes

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Because I'm sure everyone would hate me for this build idea i have for him...

Swain : item 3027 item 3040 item 3116 item 3151 item 3110 item 3065

At level 18 Swain will have 3373 maximum mana with this build. And 3% of your max mana is converted into AP. In this case you will net about 101.19 AP just from the Unique passive of Seraph's Embrace. Not to mention all the AP he gets from the items base stats:

  • item 3116 = 100 AP
  • item 3027 = 80 AP (with passive 120)
  • item 3040 = 80 AP (total with its unique passive increase from other items in the build 181.19)
  • item 3151 = 80 AP

Ending total: AP 481.19 give or take depending on Runes and Masteries...

Although I like the idea of using Archangels, my build usually ends up being something like:

item 3027 item 3157 item 3065 item 3151 item 3001 item 3020

And if there are healing mages like Ahri Vladimir Fiddlesticks I'll usually go for item 3165 somewhere in there.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

That makes sense. Though the idea for mine was basically like my Malzahar : How much of a nuisance can I make myself be? And still have fun? (relative to my kind of fun)

Thus the creation of my Malz build! XD

Aqwafina1 votes

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That makes sense. Though the idea for mine was basically like my Malzahar : How much of a nuisance can I make myself be? And still have fun?

Thus the creation of my Malz build! XD

Malz is a jerk to me most of the time. His space-aids just hampers Swain so much. I took one look at your build and cringed thinking of how much trouble I'd have fighting that.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Worst part is that his Voidling get 100% bonus AD scaling and increase to 150% bonus AD scaling once they frenzy. Not to mention they proc the Slow Passive of item 3116 making it hard to run. And the Cleaving passive of item 3071, so they end up dealing MORE damage with each attack.

My bonus AD with just items: 95 for unfrenzied Voidlings. And 142.5 when frenzied (they attack faster too), which isn't to much but when you end up having 2 or more at out at once? They add up fast!

LadyRenly1 votes

meh, don't care for archangels. doesn't really have a spammable ability outside of his ult, and you already wait on rod of ages to stack, having another thing to stack on him feels too long for me. I'd rather go for zhonyas and sorc boots for movement speed and the ability to ult in stasis

Aqwafina1 votes

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meh, don't care for archangels. doesn't really have a spammable ability outside of his ult, and you already wait on rod of ages to stack, having another thing to stack on him feels too long for me. I'd rather go for zhonyas and sorc boots for movement speed and the ability to ult in stasis

Agreed, this is why I usually build they way I mentioned earlier. There are certain things that are interchangeable (like liandri's for morello's or something) but other than that I would rather build him on the tankier side.

Aqwafina1 votes

I actually like archangels staff on swain, though admittedly I use a very boring standard build most of the time.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Ironically (since you killed him) I adapted the build from my hybrid Malzahar build that works, into a potential Swain .

My hybrid Malzahar build: item 3071 item 3116 item 3174 (or item 3165 )item 3040 item 3146 item 3512

PabloMaster543211 votes

I think Swain's ult is broken, the rest of his kit is fine but his ult doe

biologist111 votes

You trade lots of for mobility, huge sudden burst,rage, and weak early game "like that auto attack delay messes me up to be honest" for easily sustained tons of damage and "tankiness" from healing. He can be bursted down or ranged down early/late so its just hes mainly enemy/ally team comp reliant. Also I enjoyed the video!

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Aqwafina1 votes

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You trade lots of for mobility, huge sudden burst,rage, and weak early game "like that auto attack delay messes me up to be honest" for easily sustained tons of damage and "tankiness" from healing. He can be bursted down or ranged down early/late so its just hes mainly enemy/ally team comp reliant. Also I enjoyed the video!

[slayer-jinx-wink]

You got it right on the nose! That auto attack delay makes me feel like I'm just terrible at farming most of the time even though Swain is probably my champ with the highest win rate. I think mid game is definitely his strongest suit because if you have a liandri's most tanks will have a hard time with you and if you have any hard ap items finished then most squishies have to stay out of range or risk getting bursted by Torment+Nevermove+Ravenous Flock. Also I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

Crett1 votes

I don't play him so as to spare everyone the horrible experience of playing against him

Aqwafina1 votes

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I don't play him so as to spare everyone the horrible experience of playing against him

BUT FREE LP BRUH

Aqwafina1 votes

Bow you should add me and we can try your build vs other people. We'll call it Hexylai's Cleavezahar...or you know we could not....that sounded better in my head.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

EVERYTHING sounds better in your own head face it. I just call it Shift Al Mani. But the origin of the idea comes from Disco Heat.

Aqwafina1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=28Mdeyxv,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-11-19T00:29:33.759+0000)

EVERYTHING sounds better in your own head face it. I just call it Shift Al Mani. But the origin of the idea comes from Disco Heat.

Oh my god I love League of Children, I can't believe I hadn't seen that video.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

HAHA! XD Its hilarious right?

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Oh yeah Malzahar's http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/b/be/VoidlingSquare.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/64?cb=20100524050215 get Attack Damage equal to 20 + (5 × Malzahar's level) (+ 100% bonus AD)

And they get:

  • Attack damage after 7 seconds: 30 + (7.5 × Malzahar's level) (+ 150% bonus AD)

  • Armor after 7 seconds: 45

  • Attack speed after 14 seconds: 1.496

They get so much awesome stuff after a few seconds. XD

7ha7guy7771 votes

His range is a little low for my tastes and i can't really last hit with him

Aqwafina1 votes

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His range is a little low for my tastes and i can't really last hit with him

Nevermove has a pretty long range, and I usually run hybrid pen runes to help with my last hitting. You should give him a try again, he's such an underrated mage.

7ha7guy7771 votes

Last time i played him in pvp i didn't do as well as i would have liked because i maxed E fot the personal DFG. Now that i know W max is the way to go i might give him a shot again.

N30NP4NDA1 votes

"in pvp" Implying that you normally play bots?

Aqwafina1 votes

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"in pvp" Implying that you normally play bots?

I'm not sure where you heard that...

Fowus1 votes

his AA's feel really weird to me

Aqwafina1 votes

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his AA's feel really weird to me

His AA's have a slight delay which makes it difficult (atleast for me, and I main him) to last hit. Feels kinda like leblanc, but slower.

ShatteredSkys1 votes

I personally don't play Swain because I can't cs for my life on him.

On the flip side I am GLAD no one plays him. I honestly have no idea how to play against good Swains. They obliterate anyone gets near and he's so hard to kill with his R. I honestly have no idea what to do vs him:/

Aqwafina1 votes

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I personally don't play Swain because I can't cs for my life on him.

On the flip side I am GLAD no one plays him. I honestly have no idea how to play against good Swains. They obliterate anyone gets near and he's so hard to kill with his R. I honestly have no idea what to do vs him:/

The trick to playing vs is swain is to not get hit with Nevermove. The moment his misses that it's time to harass him pre-six, but the same can be said after. It does the burst damage for him and he'll finish you off with his ultimate and torment after, so the moment he uses it for anything other than hitting you make sure to get as much harass on him as it is on a pretty long CD.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

item 3123

Aqwafina1 votes

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item 3123

Like I said, that item is great, but ADC's usually itemize a little differently and if they can't stay away from his burst that item won't really matter. I get ya though, it should be a go to whenever there's a sustain mage in the other team comp.

stillserenity1 votes

sup swain sup swain sup swain!!!!!!!!!! FEAR THE BUSH!!!!! adc cry

Aqwafina1 votes

If you're saying Swain has bad wave clear then you haven't played him past level 6.

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