So ONE game of me getting a rigged match in a promo because I DARED to want to win for once?

i404notfound·Mar 14, 2018·2 votes·1,003 views

and ofc I get banned for a month. Gee I wonder how much money renek spent to earn his "ban a player" since that's how player behavior is working now.

How is not a Glaring issue that players can intentionaly feed and incite others WITHOUT getting ANY punishment even when they admit to it but I get punished for using words. If your wondering why everyone thinks your game is trash REGARDLESS of what meta you set it up to be look no further than this.

inb4 red respond with the typical "your fault you dared to try to win and expect other to do so" response with a "here let me cherry pick a handful of quotes out of context to make you look bad" tacked on. This is aproaching EA battlefront 2 levels of bullsh!t.

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Jo0oMar 14, 20189 votes

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i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

A red will cherry pick them anyway. I'm not arguing that I'm a saint or that typed the most innocent thing. What I'm arguing is that it's a widely held belief in this community that those who complain about violators of player behavior are PERMABANNED before the actual violators are even investigated. How is it not a glaring flaw that troll and int feeders are rewarded by getting people banned while receiving no punishment what so ever?

Jo0oMar 14, 20189 votes

Have you considered the possibility that you simply got banned for your actions without some grand conspiracy at play?

Simply, trolls are more difficult to detect than somebody like you flaming out in chat. Chat punishments are straightforward and automatic. Trolling infractions often take some time, are much less consistent, and may require manual review. That's a far cry from implying that a player in your game somehow bought the privilege of getting you banned, which is ridiculous.

Example of how hard it is to detect trolls: I see no indication that the Renekton in your last match trolled. He has nearly twice your CS, a typical losing team KDA (3/4/2, vs your 6/6/4), and about the same damage to champions. From where we sit, you flamed out for no reason and got punished for it.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

It's no grand conspiracy. I'm not blaming tencent, I'm not saying Riot hand picked me to lose. It's a known fact Promo matches are often rigged against you as a way of "proving" you deserve a promotion, but how rigged they are made to be are details Riot refuses to releases for reasons they also refuse to disclose.

But don't you see a problem where Riot would rather shoot everyone who posted a word rather than actually try to change player behavior? How acceptable would it be for a school to PUNISH anyone who complained about bullying WITHOUT actually trying to prevent bullying? Why is it Riot would rather have players self destructively blame themselves for EVERYTHING wrong with the game instead of posting chat logs that INCLUDE other players actions?

There seems to be a lot of automated witch hunting on Riots side with NOTHING to show for problem solving, with the majority of "player behavior" backing them for similarly flawed logic. How hard is it to understand you do not cure malaria by fixing the fever alone?

I mean you could cheat shot this by crying "lul conspiracy" i guess. You are insisting that a guy who outright admitted to trolling should get away scott free because I dared to try to win and complained about others not doing the same.

Jo0oMar 14, 20186 votes

I have only your word that Renekton admitted to trolling, and only your word that "daring to win" is the cause of your punishment. You can eliminate at least one of those gaps by sharing your chat logs.

Your entire argument is built on the assumption that punishments for trolling and punishments for chat violations use the same resources, which is baseless. There's no reason why Riot's robust system for detecting chat abuse in any way detracts from Riot's less-than-stellar system for detecting in-game trolling. Surely you can understand that it's much easier to detect chat abuse than to determine actual trolling intent.

Ultimately, you're responsible for your own chat. If Renekton was truly trolling, you still fed the troll and cemented the impact he had on your game, while also rewarding him for his behavior.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

Again with this "lul forget context you dared to try to win and COMPLAINED about others not doing so therefore your worse than int feeders and trolls". I don't have to place chat logs because I'm not arguing that I did nothing wrong. For the third time I am arguing if it is right. Not if it follows the rules, not if the rules say whether or not I am ok, I am arguing whether or not THE RULES THEMSELVES and the MEAN EMPLOYED TO ENFORCE them are both "right" and "achieving the desired outcome".

Even you constantly admit that trolling and int feeding isn't detected as much as words, yet you find it completely acceptable that trolls and int feeders are getting others banned with no punishment. How is this acceptable logic?

"Your entire argument is built on the assumption that punishments for trolling and punishments for chat violations use the same resources, which is baseless." And yet in the very NEXT sentence you admit that "verable abuse" is FAR OVER ENFORCED compared to int feeding and trolling which is barely if ever addressed. you sugar coat it by trying to say "hey automated systems are hard" without justifying the current set up of REWARDING trolls and int feeders by auto-banning those who complain about them for WORDS alone.

AeroWaffleMar 14, 20183 votes

Verbal abuse is not over-enforced compared to intentional feeding and trolling. Intentional feeding and trolling bans immediately send the person to a 14-day ban, whereas verbal abuse (as long as it wasn't extremely poor behavior) still has to go through two previous punishments before reaching the 14-day ban phase.

You can't keep pointing to other form of toxicity and claim that Riot is rewarding people by being unable to detect them as effectively. Otherwise, Intentional feeders could just say, "Riot, you're REWARDING cheaters and scripters by auto-banning those who troll in response to them".

No. You're responsible for your own actions. You're not absolved of responsibility because you acted poorly as a form of vigilante justice.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

because words cost the team gold directly and are more influential than actual in game choices. Give me a gold value lost, not arbitrary "but you caused him to..." bullshit. An actual Gold per word value.

While we're at it do explain how a permaban from just words on ONE game and a permaban from THOUSANDS of intentionally fed/trolled games is equal enforcement. Cry all you want about how the system are, doesnt excuse the unfairness.

How quickly do "verbale abuse" cases get caught and solved. trick question the bot does both at the same time. How quickly do int feed and troll cases get solved "well first we have..."

and theres your answer. It's cute that you want to make this "you are the problem and ONLY YOU are the problem" as every other white knight on here typically does but I'm not making a context specific argument.

so take your "I'm the better behaved league player" speaches else where because they do nothing to forward or detract from the current argument.

AeroWaffleMar 14, 20185 votes

I see a lot of quotes of things I didn't say.

Jo0oMar 14, 20182 votes

This guy clearly wants to argue against much easier opponents.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

oh noes verbal abuse. how could you. It's almost a double standard you dont think you should get permabanned for that.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

"the current chat ban system rewards troll by banning people for complaining while the trolls get away with NOTHING done about them"

"You're responsible for your own actions. You're not absolved of responsibility because you acted poorly as a form of vigilante justice."

yes thats totaly not a easy representation of what your saying. If it isnt, clarify. If it is, I fail to see how this applies properly to my argument.

AeroWaffleMar 14, 20184 votes

"you are the problem and ONLY YOU are the problem"

Where did I imply this? When did I ever claim that intentional feeders were not a problem?

so take your "I'm the better behaved league player"

Or this? I have yet to imply that I was better than you in anyway.

"verbale abuse"

When did I misspell "verbal abuse"?

I can only see these as a deliberate misquotes designed to be a strawman.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

"you are the problem and ONLY YOU are the problem" You did not word for word say that nor is it a word for word quote for what you said. but it IS a good summary of all of your arguments since they all are engineer to be some form of "the rules are what they are and they are perfect in every way so YOU have to be the problem."

you have yet to imply what now? "Or this? I have yet to imply that I was better than you in anyway." "You're responsible for your own actions. You're not absolved of responsibility because you acted poorly as a form of vigilante justice." "Ultimately, you're responsible for your own chat. If Renekton was truly trolling, you still fed the troll and cemented the impact he had on your game, while also rewarding him for his behavior." "Have you considered the possibility that you simply got banned for your actions without some grand conspiracy at play?" sure.....

verbale abuse

"oh noes he mistyped something. lets take it as an insult because thats totaly not an insular and closed minded way of aproaching things."-you

AeroWaffleMar 14, 20186 votes

No. I'm done.

You can consider our opinions, you can ignore them, or in your case, change them to be something that's easier to attack. Feel free to continue to construct your strawman arguments if it makes you feel better, but the system will not change.

I'll not be replying further.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

I'm arguing theres a flaw in player behavior enforcement.

your arguing that I need to change my behavior without even reading what my argument was.

the fact that you literally ran out of generic "your the problem YOU need to fix yourself" posts before you figured out I was never arguing about my own actions is ENTIRELY on you. Dont cry that I didn't appease you when you had no applicable stand in the argument to begin with.

Jo0oMar 14, 20188 votes

You're putting a lot of words in my mouth.

Don't flame people, and don't feed trolls. It's really that simple.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

and I really cant respond to this because YOU keep starting new threads since you lost on the old ones. Stick to one thread or at least include context.

Jo0oMar 14, 20186 votes

Except here's the wrinkle: I'm not arguing. I'm explaining. You're the one arguing.

The system is pretty straightforward. You flame, you get punished. There's no consideration for mitigating circumstances, nor should there be. Flames = punish.

I sympathize with being trolled, I truly do. I have no idea if you actually WERE being trolled, or just got pissed off when your teammates didn't behave the way you wanted them to, but either way that doesn't change the correct action for you to take. You were supposed to mute, report, and move on. Instead, here we are.

Forum regulars responding to your threads have offered several arguments that you've disregarded as to why chat abuse is taken so seriously by Riot, and based on those examples, the system will not be shifting any time soon to allow leniency for individuals like you to flame your team. I suggest you instead look to make changes to your own behavior, in order to avoid a permanent ban down the line.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

nazism is pretty straight forward. that doesnt make it right. Wait are you the guy who doesn't understand metaphors? Surely you get analogies right?

Re read the opening post, reread your post. Tell me how "sit down shut up and stop complaining and fix YOURSELF" is a proper response to that post.

Jo0oMar 14, 201810 votes

Why wouldn't it be?

You insinuate that the Renekton player bribed Riot to get you banned. You preemptively disregard anything a Riot employee or representative could do or say about your situation. You make a blanket assumption that the Renekton will not be punished for their actions. You refuse to offer any evidence whatsoever to back up any of your assertions.

How about you tell ME what the appropriate response is? Because it sounds like you're extremely upset that your account got punished, and are blaming everything and everybody but yourself. Since none of that shit is even slightly under your control, the absolute correct action for you to take is to sit down, shut up, stop complaining, and fix yourself. Your account standing is entirely within your control. I stand by every word I said.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20182 votes

I'm currently having a conversation with a herald that is more than just "lul your the problem".

Amazing what people can accomplish with non-insular thinking like "no ofc Riot isnt taking bribes but it sure is fishy that trolls get away scott free while the complainers are insta-punished"

I have observed that actually thinking and taking more than just praise is difficult for you. But do try.

I mean I'm not the one constantly starting new threads to throw off my opposition just so I can win the argument.

Look at the thread with the herald and look at the others. If you'll note the herald actually picked up on what i was saying while the others, like you, saw ONE word they didnt like and assumed the rest wasn't worth processing.

ScuffleboardMar 14, 20182 votes

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I'm currently having a conversation with a herald that is more than just "lul your the problem".

Amazing what people can accomplish with non-insular thinking like "no ofc Riot isnt taking bribes but it sure is fishy that trolls get away scott free while the complainers are insta-punished"

I have observed that actually thinking and taking more than just praise is difficult for you. But do try.

I mean I'm not the one constantly starting new threads to throw off my opposition just so I can win the argument.

Look at the thread with the herald and look at the others. If you'll note the herald actually picked up on what i was saying while the others, like you, saw ONE word they didnt like and assumed the rest wasn't worth processing.

Mind if I jump in here?

No, the system is not perfect. No, you are not, in cases of trolling, the only problem. But that doesn't mean you aren't a problem.

Here's an example: Let's say someone is being rude in a restaraunt, shouting that the cook should be fired and harassing the waitresses. You see this and respond by clubbing the guy over the head with a centerpiece.

Now, the other guy was wrong. But by attacking him, you became wrong too, and you are probably both going to get kicked out.

And I understand your frustration about trolls. I really do. The system for punishing them is pretty inaccurate right now. But Riot is working to improve it, and the system that caught you is much easier to make, so it is better at the moment. But what you're saying is like 'there are murderers out there, so robbers should go free.'

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

No I don't mind you jumping in. Yes I do mind you NOT looking before you leap. Why does everyone think that explaining the system, regardless of how you reword it, suddenly makes it an acceptable system?

Why does LITERALLY EVERYONE I TALK TO avoid the "it rewards trolls" portion?

Like whats so fucking hard about saying "yes the system is flawed in when applied from this angle it does infact reward trolls"?

I never argued that I was ok, yet eveyone seems to think I am. I never argued that I did nothing wrong, yet YOU are saying I did.

What the fuck man? How hard is it to read a fucking thread?

Jo0oMar 14, 20181 votes

Because you've offered no real argument to defend the position that the system rewards trolls. We don't say it because we don't agree with it.

Know what DOES reward trolls? Flaming them. Which is what got you in trouble in the first place. A universal truth of navigating online interaction is to not feed trolls. Those reactions are what they troll for in the first place.

Does the system reward trolls? I see no reason to think so, and I haven't seen you offer any reason to change my mind. Do YOU reward trolls? Yes, absolutely.

ScuffleboardMar 14, 20182 votes

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No I don't mind you jumping in. Yes I do mind you NOT looking before you leap. Why does everyone think that explaining the system, regardless of how you reword it, suddenly makes it an acceptable system?

Why does LITERALLY EVERYONE I TALK TO avoid the "it rewards trolls" portion?

Like whats so fucking hard about saying "yes the system is flawed in when applied from this angle it does infact reward trolls"?

I never argued that I was ok, yet eveyone seems to think I am. I never argued that I did nothing wrong, yet YOU are saying I did.

What the fuck man? How hard is it to read a fucking thread?

The system does not reward trolls. It's just worse at punishing them. What does reward trolls is you text-screaming at them, because that's exactly the reaction they're looking for.

Say a police station has a 80% chance of catching a murderer who acts alone, but only a 50% chance of catching a murderer who works with an accomplice. Does that mean the one with the accomplice is getting rewarded? No. It just means the police have a harder time catching them. Riot's system is the same way. Just as police want to make the city safer, Riot wants to make the game a better place, but some types of problems are tougher than others.

And for your information, I read your thread and the whole comment chain. The stuff you were saying made me believe that you felt like people thought you were the only problem, and I was just trying to clarify. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Jo0oMar 14, 20187 votes

I'm just replying to you, dude. There's no strategy at work in how I respond on these boards. They're not the easiest to keep track through, you're right.

I don't see that conversation with Djinn going anywhere. You keep insulting and putting words in Djinn's mouth. Just because it's a Herald's job to keep cool and polite with forum posters doesn't mean they're any more willing to entertain your view of events.

Look dude, I'm a forum regular. This is a place I spend time on during luls in the work day, so I wind up seeing a bunch of folks complaining about their bans. Look at some other threads: You're in poor company. Folks that complain on here are almost always in the wrong, and it's VERY rare that you'll get any support from forum regulars when you're talking about a punishment you received.

You want the respect and agreement of folks on these boards? You want people to take you seriously? Give us a reason to do so. You're citing a non-confrontational correspondence with Djinn as if it's some evidence that I'm not giving you a fair chance here, but shit, it's Djinn's job to talk to you like that. I'm an average dude. If your goal is to convince the average dudes, meet us half way by actually showing us chat logs and walking us through what happened, without all the hyperbolic assumptions about your supposed mistreatment. If that's not your goal... then I'm not sure why you're here. A support ticket would simply open a private channel of dialogue between you and a Riot employee and get you all the official responses about your situation as you desire.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

holy fuck your so dumb. Why do you think is about a SPECIFIC CASE when I'm arguing about a core concept on riot's behavior enforcement. This like saying "freedom of speech is wrong" and you saying "but shit means poo".

YOUR MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD. I am not interested in my personal situation. I am not looking for redemption of change of my PERSONAL situation. I am looking to get an answer to a serous flaw in player behavior enforcement. A flaw that perhaps I only see because I look beyond just myself, but a flaw seen non the less. Stop trying to derail this into personal maters.

Jo0oMar 14, 20184 votes

"Dumb" is getting banned by a system that boils down to "Please don't be a dick, we'll give you free stuff if you behave!".

I don't buy for a second that this isn't personal for you. You wouldn't talk so much about your own situation if it wasn't. Regardless, the flaw doesn't exist, and you've failed to provide any evidence to the contrary.

And please, next time you tell somebody that they're dumb, say "you're" so dumb. Otherwise, you're just undermining yourself.

ChermorgMar 14, 20184 votes

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It's a known fact Promo matches are often rigged against you as a way of "proving" you deserve a promotion, but how rigged they are made to be are details Riot refuses to releases for reasons they also refuse to disclose.

This "known fact" is actually unknown to 90+% of players. Would you care to provide any proof you have for this statement?

Why is it Riot would rather have players self destructively blame themselves for EVERYTHING wrong with the game instead of posting chat logs that INCLUDE other players actions?

Because you control your enter key, not anyone else. Nobody else can stop you from nor make you start flaming.

You are insisting that a guy who outright admitted to trolling should get away scott free because I dared to try to win and complained about others not doing the same.

Nobody is saying this at all. People are explaining that even if someone else acted badly, that does not justify your poor behavior. The other person does not get off free - but even if they aren't punished yet it doesn't make your behavior okay.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

and the cherry picking begins.

As for the promo's I'll have to dig up the giant post on the ranked system where they explain the promo system and how it "challenges" you. I mean I could quote the thousands of posts about rigged promo matches and filter out the ones that are just complaints to only include the ones with match breakdowns and reveals of what rank was on what side ONLY for you to dismiss it as "oh that's just a few cases".

this ofc followed by the "you are the problem and YOU are the ONLY problem argument" but it's a Riot adviser so I really should expect such insular logic.

as for the last point I never said my behavior was ok or justified. Jesus fuck did you even READ ANY of these posts?

the ENTIRE point of this thread is to determine whether or not it's ok that the current chat system REWARDS trolls by PUNISHING their complainers due IN PART to the high overbearing effectiveness of a WORD SEARCH BOT and in part due to the total LACK of "int feed/troll" catching bot. This results in masses of troll going COMPLETELY undetected if not outright ignored while a vast majority of those ONLY complaining about said trolls and int feeders are getting perma-banned by the masses.

I expect this sort of glossary generalization from unpaid forum mods but YOU should at least have SOME form professionalism and integrity to look at something fully before posting, particularly if your intent is beyond "silencing the complainer".

ChermorgMar 14, 20186 votes

I did read your entire post and all the comments, in fact. I determined that you're never going to be convinced that your punishment was appropriate, because you're focused more on whether or not someone else got punished.

News flash, I looked through your match history and there were not any games in recent past that I saw obvious trolls in. If a human can't find them fast, I'm not sure how you expect a computer to do so.

Or maybe, like others who are punished, you are complaining about trolls where they don't exist. Bad players are not trolls. People making stupid mistakes are not trolls. And players who make repeated mistakes are not trolls. The number of true trolls in the game is much much less than the number of times I see players complain or accuse trolling.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

apparently not since you COMPLETELY ignored the other post I have. Perhaps consider actually looking instead of taking a quick glance at match history and using win loss rating as a judgement of "has he seen trolls recently." read chat logs, watch replays, investigate.

It really does make you incompetent when you generalize me as "just more trash" when I'm making meaning full discussion so close by you would simply need to look at recent threads to notice. Nor does it do much to your credibility that you would have me believe you watched every second of every replay of every match I've ever had within 16 fucking minutes when a single games ATLEAST twice as long on average. This without mentioning chatlogs.

ModPeriscopeMar 14, 20183 votes

He’s not a rioter. If there’s a red border, then that summoner is a rioter. Any other color is a forum moderator. He does not have the ability to review your games.

If you want to have meaningful discussion, it’d be ideal if you stopped insulting everyone responding to your posts.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

I have no reason to respect people who dont even read my posts, particularly when they suddenly try to cherry pick cases, whether it myself or otherwise, as a defense against a generalized argument.

Chermong might get some fucking high for I all care by trying to throw random ass stats about myself at me but it doesnt address my argument since it's not applicable. It's the equivalent of quoting one business as a picture for the whole market. It doesn't apply because it doesn't scale.

ModPeriscopeMar 14, 20182 votes

I feel like people have tried to give you some honest feedback about what you're complaining about, but without insulting you, despite what you've said back.

The reason I pointed out that he's "not a rioter" is because you said:

I expect this sort of glossary generalization from unpaid forum mods but YOU should at least have SOME form professionalism and integrity to look at something fully before posting, particularly if your intent is beyond "silencing the complainer".

And apparently you thought he had access to replays. He's a player, just like you and me, but with a dinky icon and the ability to moderate the forums.

I will say that I side with most others that have commented here: that it's your behavior that you should be worried about, not others. I know you don't want to talk about your behavior, and when you have, you've mentioned that your behavior wasn't ok.

So here are the facts: you're on a 2-week ban; the next punishment is a permaban; if you don't improve your behavior, you won't have this account anymore. That being said, focusing on trolls or frankly anyone else's action isn't productive for you.

We've all had Renektons in our game, but there are worse and more frustrating players, and you need to think about what you'll do moving forward to avoid getting punished.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

It's not whether he has access to information or not. It's his bullshit "I got a title so I will say WHAT YOU MEAN then RESPOND TO WHAT I SAID YOU MEAN" way of posting that I have an issue with, particularly when he doesn't even have access to the correct information to back his "corrections". He wants to fucking act like I'm crying about a suspension like this is a singular case when I NEVER asked for that. Apparently he's too busy playing got with his light blue border to look beyond what anyone else is typing.

ModPeriscopeMar 14, 20182 votes

So here are the facts: you're on a 2-week ban; the next punishment is a permaban; if you don't improve your behavior, you won't have this account anymore. That being said, focusing on trolls or frankly anyone else's action isn't productive for you.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

which is fucking cute but makes no headway for or against my point. Geeze even you are making the copy pasta "you are your own problem" posts when I'm not even complaining about the state of my account.

ModPeriscopeMar 14, 20181 votes

Aside from this post, I aim to be succinct. You did not address this point, so I had assumed you looked over it.

ChermorgMar 14, 20183 votes

I didn't say I watched your replays, I said I checked your match history. Bots don't watch replays, and honestly you can't expect humans to most of the time either.

The bottom line is these "trolls" you are complaining about most likely do not exist in the numbers you are claiming.

You expect others to go looking through your match history to find trolls, and I tried to and only found maybe 2 cases where someone may have been trolling, but it's nowhere near provable.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

I do not expect others to look, I expect YOU to look since you think for some reason my ENTIRE argument is invalidated because I MIGHT not have experienced as many trolls you THINK i think i experienced.

Any answer to that question does nothing to the current question of "why is it acceptable to reward trolls and int feeder by banning the complainers long before ANYTHING is even PLANNED to be done about the actual int feeder/troll?"

"We're working on it" neither confirms nor denies this statement "you aren't having as bad an experience as you think" is ENTIRELY subjective and also has no application to the argument.

This is why I am being so abrasive. you are blatantly ignoring the thread and instead replaying to what YOU assume I'm complaining about because it cannot possibly be anything new.

This is why I asked to to ACTUAL read the threads. Now read them.

ChermorgMar 14, 20185 votes

I have read you threads - please stop repeating the same sentences of that nature over and over, it makes it hard to read your comments here.

why is it acceptable to reward trolls and int feeder by banning the complainers long before ANYTHING is even PLANNED to be done about the actual int feeder/troll?

Because, to be frank, your assumptions are wrong in this.

Riot isn't rewarding trolls by punishing you - you are rewarding trolls by doing punishable behavior.
Riot does punish intentional feeders and trolls, and while their intentional feeding detection needs some work (there have been false positives and false negatives) it is working okay now (but not as good as it could be).

Your question has no answer because your question is fundamentally wrong - your question relies on assumptions that are woefully incorrect. Until you ask a question without those faulty assumptions in it, I can't really answer you in any meaningful way.

Now, the question you're really asking (to my understanding) without the faulty assumptions is: "Why does Riot punish people complaining but not the people who made the person complain in the first place?"

To answer that, I will refer you to the other comments I've made, but I'll also summarize here:

You control your enter key. The troll, intentional feeder, or person you're mad at did not force you to type anything, and they could not have stopped you from typing it - it is simply not their fault that you decided to behave poorly.
The existence of other poor behavior has not, will not, and will never justify any form of poor behavior. Even if we accept your notion that in all games you flame you are met with trollers/intentional feeders (this is extremely unlikely to be the case), you still do not get to use that as justification for your flaming.
Riot does punish players who are actually intentionally feeding and/or trolling - you see them here on the Player Behavior boards decently often. The issue with that is that most players punished for trolling/intentionally feeding know they are wrong and so they never come to post about it here to complain - why would they complain if they knew they were wrong and broke the rules? This results in a vast underestimation of the number of trolls/feeders being punished.
But again - the number of trolls and/or intentional feeders is nowhere near as much as you try to make it out to be. There is no "promo rigging" or anything like that either. You are merely making excuses for your lack of self control in a heated situation in your promotional games.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

This will be the 4th I'm asking to reread the thread. Again because your responding to points YOU THINK I'm making, not the points I'm ACTUALLY making. However, you've added "compressing a generalization into a singular personal case" and "making response to points that were never contested to the list".

So since I have to hold your hand and yes, my patience for this is thinning since you seem to intentionally ignore my points, Lets start with the numbers.

This has NO PURPOSE IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD. Fan-fucking-tastic job posting information I already knew. This neither furthers nor denies my point, NORE does it advance the conversation in anyway other than derail it. THIS is ENTIRELY filler and pointless to be here.
I have at NO POINT said my behavior was acceptable. NOR have I stated I should be an acception to the rule. This is how I KNOW your NOT reading my posts because despite NEVER making this point you have RESPONDED TO IT IN EVERY POST YOU MADE HERE. I'VE GIVEN PLENTY TIME TO BE GENTLE ABOUT THIS SO OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES.
ok, maybe you read CERTAIN words, but your not reading the entire sentence. I'm aware Riot punishes trolls and inters. I'm aware verbal abuse is punished as well. Are you aware the GIVEN THE SYSTEM IN PLACE RIGHT NOW WHEN THIS POST HITS THE BOARDS THAT VERBAL ABUSE IS OVERBEARINGLY ENFORCED WHILE INT FEEDING AND TROLLING IS LAUGHABLY LACKING IN EVEN SIMPLE DETECTION? This means your bot will happly ban hammer ANYONE who EVER complains about ANY trolling or inting in ANY context, meanwhile the majority of Inters/trolls go through your system untouched because you cant bother to see them. Yes I heard about false negatives and false positives, I get it. Does that ALONE justify this system REWARDING inters/trolls by building upon their damage by then BANNING the complainers?

You continue to ignore and dodge this point deflecting to "you are the problem you need to fix yourself" copy pasta and "all toxicity is punished equally" while outright admitting that it isn't due to detection issues. Surely I don't have to explain how asinine that is.

4). Yet another filler point. Yes I clearly was talking in exact number of trolls and exact number of complainers and the exact number of each that get banned rather than drawing a SIMPLE FUCKING CONNECTION that a MASSIVE FAILURE to commonly detect trolling/inting coupled with a MASSIVE SUCCESS in detection words resulted in a system that REWARDS TROLLS/Inters by BANNING the complainers without punishing the inters. THIS isn't a hard math solution based on physical number data, this is a simple extrapolation from statements currently given.

It really doesn't matter what you MEANT to build, because this IS what you built. The exact numbers don't matter SO LONG as the numbers DO NOT contradict already made statements. If you can provide hard data that PROVES that Inters/troll are being punished either equally AS OFTEN or MORE OFTEN with a 1 day ban or greater than verbal abuse then you'll not only have a point, you'll have FINALLY contributed. If you DON'T have access to that data and you DON'T have anything to add to the argument except this baseless filler that addresses NOTHING that I've posted, I fail to see why you are here.

I ignored the top two points for the same reason I ignored point 1. READ THE POSTS BEFORE BLINDLY KEYBOARD CRUSADING FOR FUCK SAKE.

I KNOW RIOT IS PUNISHING THE COMPLAINERS BEFORE THE CAUSE. I KNOW WHY RIOT IS PUNISHING THE COMPLAINERS BEFORE THE CAUSE. I AM ASKING WHY IS IT CONSIDER A "GOOD" STATE TO BE IN GIVEN THIS MASSIVE FLAW IN YOUR SYSTEM?

ChermorgMar 14, 20185 votes

I am done responding to you as you refuse to respectfully discuss this issue and attempt to read my posts.

You are repeatedly making faulty assumptions and completely wrong accusations, and you refuse to accept that you are wrong in many of your assumptions. As such, there is absolutely no reason for me to attempt to continue explaining to you why you are wrong - because you'll never hear it.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do after your suspension is over.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

Are you a bot? cause you really seem to be using prefabricated posts to address points THAT STILL HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN MADE HERE.

It's rather insulting that someone like you gets some special border to go parade around as if your official when you aren't even capable of reading comprehension.

Go back to posting "you are your own problem just fix yourself" on other threads since thats all you seem to do.

ModThe DjinnMar 14, 20183 votes

How is not a glaring issue that players can intentional feed and incite others WITHOUT getting ANY punishment even when they admit to it but I get punished for using words.

It's an issue that intentional feeding isn't punished super quickly, yes. But it's something Riot has stated they're working on, and it's a tricky problem to build an accurate system that doesn't catch innocent players with false positives.

Believe me, we all experience it, and it's really frustrating. It is not, however, a valid reason to grant exceptions to the rule that you can't abuse other players. Riot doesn't want a community where it's SOMETIMES okay to abuse or belittle someone and SOMETIMES isn't.

i404notfoundMar 14, 20181 votes

But they DO want a community that DOESNT complain about anything less they get ban hammer dropped on them BEFORE the actual problems?

Building bots is hard, sure. That doesn't justify how the current system rewards trolls by BANNING people who complain about them. This is the equivalent of you calling the police because the house next to you is being robbed, but when the police arrive they do NOTHING to the thieves because "building the bots is hard" while they put you away for life because "you complained".

When three weeks later law enforcement is CONSIDERING to MAYBE investigate the burglery and you ask why you were put in prison for complaining while the thieves still roam free the response you get is "the system is perfectly fine as is and theres NO improvement to made on the current set up exept the bot we're building".