Why is League still toxic??

DárkFlameMáster ·Dec 7, 2016·8 votes·6,985 views

Seriously I can't even come back to this game without try hard sweaty kids judging every game to every degree.

32 Comments

Pandemic PunchDec 7, 20167 votes

Welcome to anything that has to do with competition. You can't escape it.

FishOfHonorDec 7, 20162 votes

That was what I was going to say , very clear !

Pantheon ForeverDec 7, 20165 votes

step 1 free to play game step 2 ban players for being toxic step 3 old toxic players start playing with newer players on their new accounts step 4 new players learn how to be toxic before even learning the meta "smite not until 10" step 5 ????? step 6 profit

OneTrickZilianDec 7, 20165 votes

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Seriously I can't even come back to this game without try hard sweaty kids judging every game to every degree.

FFY "Why i get flamed for feeding" ??

fumiefanDec 7, 20165 votes

It's the set up of the game.

You are helpless once you Q up for the next 40+ minutes. You can't dodge or you get punished and you can't leave or you get punished. To paraphrase n3ac3y, "If I were to have a teammate on a pickup basketball team say "you're gonna give me the ball everytime or I'm gonna score for the other team, I would just leave and go play another game. In League, you can't".

League of Legends players are no different than any other games players, but when a team is getting destroyed or a troll has taken over the team, the game is ruined and at that point, flaming is the interesting thing about the game, since the game is going to be going on for 40 mins and you can't leave without penalty.

I played a game where we were down 39-9 last night. Game was totally over. Team refused to surrender. I didn't want to play anymore but couldn't just sit at base or leave because I thought I'd get penalized. Our Ivern flat out left because the team wouldn't surrender and he had enough and at the end of the game, I felt like he was the smartest and most mature player on the team. I was so disconnected and tired of that game that getting into a flame war would have been a more interesting activity than continuing the game. And that is what is happening over and over in LOL.

You aren't going to hear any of that in this forum though. This kind of discussion isn't welcome here. This forum and Riot will tell you that the set-up of the game is fine, but that the playerbase is the problem.

eldurisDec 7, 20161 votes

{quoted} To paraphrase n3ac3y, "If I were to have a teammate on a pickup basketball team say "you're gonna give me the ball everytime or I'm gonna score for the other team, I would just leave and go play another game. In League, you can't".

You absolutely can, though. I'd much rather take the -3 in LP than sit there and play a likely 40-minute game with someone who just wants to waste my time.

It sucks that I have to make that decision, but 3 LP is negligible unless you're dodging every other game.

fumiefanDec 7, 20161 votes

You absolutely can, though. I'd much rather take the -3 in LP than sit there and play a likely 40-minute game with someone who just wants to waste my time.

I have no idea where it comes from, but there is a decent sized group of people who do not dodge in League. They might not even know that you can. Meanwhile, I've had days where I dodged or spent more time in dodge penalties than I did actually playing.

It sucks that I have to make that decision, but 3 LP is negligible unless you're dodging every other game.

Depends on how close you are to 100LP. If you are in the 80's, that dodge can be the difference between playing 2 games and playing 1.

Also does depend on time. I often have barely enough time for 1 game, yet alone 1 dodge, 5 more mins in Q/Draft and then to play.

BigBellBruteDec 8, 20161 votes

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I played a game where we were down 39-9 last night. Game was totally over. Team refused to surrender. I didn't want to play anymore but couldn't just sit at base or leave because I thought I'd get penalized. Our Ivern flat out left because the team wouldn't surrender and he had enough and at the end of the game, I felt like he was the smartest and most mature player on the team. I was so disconnected and tired of that game that getting into a flame war would have been a more interesting activity than continuing the game. And that is what is happening over and over in LOL.

Quitting on the team because one is behind isn't mature in the least. And that Ivern is part of the problem.

fumiefanDec 8, 20161 votes

Deal with it. I got better things to do than be bent over.

TiIianDec 7, 20165 votes

Because the same community that wants to "stop the toxicity" supplies it.

The punishments are too harsh, so people care less because there's nothing they can do about it.

You can't purge "toxicity" so why piss people off more by taking away their accounts completely when they can just constantly come back.

fumiefanDec 7, 20164 votes

Agreed.

Toxicity is never going away unless you disable chat. Never. League is the outlier here, not the norm. And for the record, because I know someone will say it, Intentional Feeding, leaving or finding other ways to ruin the game is not the same as verbally abusing someone.

And you will never ban people from a game where it's free to make a new account. CSGO bans thousands of people at a time when cheats are discovered, and usually, CSGO has an increase in sales the next day and that game cost money.

haha retardDec 8, 20164 votes

It's actually surprising to see something challenging Riot's system actually has positive upvotes...

But on the topic of League being toxic, basically if you haven't been around for awhile OP...

They implemented a new automated system for banning people and took away tribunal. Basically this completely dumped a whole new pile of toxicity to the current existing toxic group of people. This system basically empowers the people who have malicious intent. Now are there some good sides to this, yes. For the most part its a complete shit show. There's a giant difference between ruining the game, and talking shit in a game, or being toxic. Their automated robot can't compute that though, so it's basically a big machine that dishes out bans when someone reaches X amounts of reports in Y amount of time. Problem with it is that your LP will start to decay before your toxicity punishments will.

KartagiaDec 8, 20161 votes

I agree totally that the system empowers malicious people, but community thinks this should not be said out.

Riot makes it worse by not condemning those abusing the system. They did say in Supprot singed case, accusaiotns where false, but still say the judgement was right. That is contradiction on itself. They thus admit there is no real false report. Report is false only if you do it alone.

But worse was Riot decision that positive feedback is trumped by reports. Giving honors is meaningless, as it has NO game mechanical effect. You get Ribbon, if you do not get victim of malicious reporting.

RebonackDec 7, 20164 votes

The design of Summoner's Rift encourages toxicity. This wasn't ever a problem over in Dominionland.

fumiefanDec 7, 20165 votes

It's definitely the game.

A 40 min+ game with super competitive players where you can't choose who you play with, where you might not even get the role you want, where you can't leave and where one side is going to get stomped is a guaranteed recipe for toxicity.

RebonackDec 7, 20163 votes

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It's definitely the game.

A 40 min+ game with super competitive players where you can't choose who you play with, where you might not even get the role you want, where you can't leave and where one side is going to get stomped is a guaranteed recipe for toxicity.

What you mentioned does have a bit to do with it, yes. But largely the problem is a combination of snowbally gameplay, the game being a dreadful slog when playing from behind, and the laning phase resulting in rampant scapegoating since you can point squarely at someone who feeds as the reason for your bad game. Toss in people not being able to play the role/champion they want and you've got a recipe for rage.

Toxicity was much lower in Dominion. Snowballing was nearly non-existent, games almost never felt hopeless and when they were it was over in ten minutes anyway, it was a team game right from the start, and the map design allowed basically any comp imaginable provided you had a decent mix of damage types and someone who could hold bottom lane.

KartagiaDec 8, 20161 votes

Actually game is fun when playing underdogs, if kids can keep their nerves. The problem is kids who cannot stand game unless it is total snowballing for them. They cannot alter their style even if has been proven false, as it is HARD. And these kids cannot stand anything which is challenging. The console generation.

MUSHROOM MIDGETDec 8, 20161 votes

dont forget when your teammates do poorly they make your enemies stronger. effectively making you weaker in comparison. guaranteed recipe for toxicity indeed!

intraDec 7, 20164 votes

I think it's how dependant on the team that makes the community toxic. One wrong move from a teammate lets your team at a disadvantage. I think people get mad because they hate it when someone makes a mistake, and it goes on from there.

ItsOrvalDec 7, 20163 votes

Because people dont use common sense which integrates toxicity.

Level 10 that is 1/9 decides to 1v2 a 10/0 & Support for instance.

PsybicilinMar 29, 20171 votes

You say that's common sense when it really isn't. A 10-0 Lucian has no visual difference between a 0-10 Lucian. I came from CS:GO where your character doesn't get any stronger or weaker, but if you have a pistol and they have an AK-47, you probably won't win the fight but it is possible to get a headshot and out skill him. In League, a lot of things are just point and click so a lot of times it's just impossible to kill someone when they are ahead. LoL is more complicated in this regard.

ShadòwDec 7, 20162 votes

deal with it

EvilDustManDec 7, 20162 votes

Because people refer to other players as sweaty tryhards.

DárkFlameMáster Feb 16, 20171 votes

were you implying I'm toxic too X D Teemo

Kei143Dec 7, 20162 votes

cos you a C9 and naruto fan. More about the naruto than C9.

Trundle

DoktorKaiserDec 8, 20162 votes

Nobody likes to lose in anything because his teammate is an incompetent moron
Tryharding is not the same as wanting to win, I am mad after losing every single game in any mode, I just dont like to lose and that is the right attitude for life in general, if you dont care about doing something then dont do it and save time for yourself and people who do care
Bad punishments for extremely toxic players who flame regardless of the situation, instead of letting them keep their main accounts and giving them 1000 game chat ban, they ban them completely and force them to make new account for which they dont give a fuck and then they are free to flame even harder

DDRAAAAVENNDec 8, 20161 votes

/mute

InresripeDec 8, 20161 votes

As much as this political correctness bullshit and restriction of free speech is failing in real life i hope it will horribly fail for this pansy company that is Riot Games as well. Too bad the broad mass of their customers are whiny little babies with a dire need of safe space so I dont see it happening. The presence of the mute button, that INSTANTLY shuts down "toxicity" (made up term since it is YOUR choice to be affected by it, read) makes all this even more ridiculous.

The only bannable offenses should be disruptive gameplay (int feeding and the like), cheating, unacceptable summoner names, in-game advertising and actual threats made in the chat.

Moreover, I have reported countless of int feeders, trollers and such and not ONE SINGLE TIME have they been punished by Riot. No exaggeration. Not ONCE. Riot dont give a rats ass about behavior like this, it doesnt seem to get registered whatsoever unless it happens to an actual Riot employee or on a popular stream.

Riot is acting like they are some kind of moral police and are putting muzzles on "bad kids"' mouths instead of teaching those sensitive babies how to use the mute button. By this they are also creating much unnecessary work for themselves by having to check the reports. But if its true that an automated system took over that job, which wouldnt surprise me in the slightest, disregard the last point.

Z StatisticDec 8, 20161 votes

Eh, intentional feeding kind of solves itself. Trying to make the detection system more sensitive will increase the rate at which people are flagged falsely, and trying to make it more robust will let intentional feeders do their thing just the same. We can make a highly sensitive system that is extremely robust, but that requires a lot of evidence/information (read: games and useful parameters).

'Offensive' names should only include the static list of legally 'obscene' words if unlisted OR an official list of terms from Riot.

Cheating, boosting, adverts, and phishing should be punishable.

Hauling AsheDec 8, 20161 votes

The Internet.

Morality CoachDec 9, 20161 votes

It's because you're bad and you don't have any cool or interesting strategies.

I only get flamed by jealous kids

RookPusherDec 9, 20161 votes

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Seriously I can't even come back to this game without try hard sweaty kids judging every game to every degree.

Are you playing Ranked or normals?

Everything is acceptable in Ranked. Show up to win, or you deserve what you get. Don't give me this lag/countered/idk wtf Hug means nonsense.

If you can't think of the team, and don't know your opponent, take it to Normals.