What I've learned playing league

Samus Aran butt·Feb 13, 2020·3 votes·3,656 views

Getting upset isn't allowed no matter what happens to you. You're unable to get upset at anything. Team purposefully trolling when they're not in a full 5 man group? Can't prove they are so they're free to go. Teammates punishing each other over petty things? Nah just a new strategy there's no reason to be mad, and if you do get mad you're reported. And you can say things like "Hey we can't understand you we need some communication." or something similar that's a bad report. If you get flamed and reason back against said flame that's also a bad report. Riot doesn't like you getting upset they like you to think of everything at a emotionless thing because the game isn't fun its just a system meant to be addicting which is why people still play it 90% of the time. They don't enjoy it but it gets their dopamine flowing when they're doing good, but not enough to bring actual joy. They want to keep people in that grey little area of emotionless cycling to make sure when they release a new flashy skin that's what you see and end up buying.

36 Comments

GatekeeperTDSFeb 13, 20205 votes

You are allowed to be upset while playing League. What you're not allowed to do is inflict the fact that you're upset on anyone else through your chat or other actions.

Try to remember that this is a video game.

Jng AccountFeb 13, 20204 votes

Just a little correction.

You can scream, you can yell, you can punch a drywall if youre not feeling well.

Just spare us, players, from seeing your little mental boom in chat...

Samus Aran buttFeb 13, 20202 votes

I've been told to kill myself for thinking defending against an enemy nasus is a good idea. But I can't tell someone that troll picking when not in a 5 man isn't fair for the rest of their team? Because that's what riot games seems to tell me when I report someone for them telling me that and they're still playing. But I get reported the same match and say nothing anywhere near that bad and I'm punished. That makes total sense.

Imperial PandaaFeb 13, 20205 votes

Because very, very little is actually troll picking. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is a troll pick.

Samus Aran buttFeb 13, 20202 votes

Picking Yuumi support is fine but then going on to leaving bottom lane permanently after the teams adc died once isn't fair for the bottom lane and just forces others who aren't in the special duo to play around them more than what some might be capable of. That is trolling and that is ruining a match for at least 4 others. Picking Hecarim jungle isn't trolling sure but knowing fully well that in a team fight as an engage you have to survive past 2 auto attacks and then refusing to actually attempt to fix said issue because your fun is absolutely only good if you build to be a suicide bomb into the enemy team only to have 0 effect in the end is trolling and ruining the fun for at least 4 others. I can keep going on a whole list of people purposefully trolling and getting to continue doing so constantly no matter what.

NF RemiliaFeb 13, 20205 votes

Actually supports are not adc's babysitters. IgNaR for example hit rank 1 challenger with only roaming. MidBeast spectate one of his games. In 40min game he stood at botlane for 2mins , at other time he was mid or top. Again supports are not meantto sit 24/7 at botlane.

Dromar421Feb 13, 20204 votes

When you stop caring. You will find the game is so much more fun.

VoraciousXFeb 13, 20204 votes

I've never been punished as far as I can think of, but people are overly sensitive on both the boards and the game. I do think it's a bit ridiculous you can say absolutely nothing in the chat and then get a valid report for "not communicating" with as ridiculous restrictions as there are on chatting. Luckily people don't report for that very often because otherwise it'd be a no win situation for the majority.

I've found that games with these kinds of systems that are heavy handed on the punishments are usually frustrating games in their own right with addictive systems in place. It's best to use them as a casual come and go kind of game instead of making them your every day game.

zPOOPzFeb 13, 20204 votes

Refusing to Communicate has not been a report option since 2014. Not sure where you are getting any kind of "valid" report for not communicating from.

VoraciousXFeb 13, 20203 votes

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Refusing to Communicate has not been a report option since 2014. Not sure where you are getting any kind of "valid" report for not communicating from.

I'm pretty sure in the Support Singed case, that was considered a "valid report", and when they set the limitations on what IS and what ISN'T off meta, they said you could play off meta, but the "refusing to communicate" report would have more weight. That wasn't in 2014. It may not be a clickable option, but I'm 99.99999% sure that if you report someone for refusing to communicate, it will be considered valid, especially if you play off meta.

zPOOPzFeb 13, 20205 votes

Was the Singed perma-ban upheld?

It may not be a clickable option, but I'm 99.99999% sure that if you report someone for refusing to communicate, it will be considered valid, especially if you play off meta.

You cannot report someone for refusing to communicate if it is not a clickable option.... The Singed case involved a lot more than your previous statement of

I do think it's a bit ridiculous you can say absolutely nothing in the chat and then get a valid report for "not communicating" with as ridiculous restrictions as there are on chatting.

The Singed case is more of a gameplay issue.

VoraciousXFeb 13, 20204 votes

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Was the Singed perma-ban upheld?

You cannot report someone for refusing to communicate if it is not a clickable option....

Oh you can't? Then what's the written portion for? Saying hello? The Singed permaban was not upheld because of mass outrage from the playerbase. They clearly mentioned communication being important and that reports for not communicating being valid. They even made a big Ask Riot section on it iirc.

zPOOPzFeb 13, 20202 votes

What is the written portion for? Who is going to read it? The IFS certainly does not. That is likely an old relic from the Tribunal days.

You are moving the goalpost from your original statement now to gameplay issues and not purely a communication one.

VoraciousXFeb 13, 20204 votes

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What is the written portion for? Who is going to read it? The IFS certainly does not. That is likely an old relic from the Tribunal days.

You are moving the goalpost from your original statement now to gameplay issues and not purely a communication one.

I'm not moving the goal post, and the written portion is there for clarity. You click an option, write what they were or weren't doing, and bam. How am I moving the goal post when I said that RIOT MENTIONED IT SPECIFICALLY in the Singed case? They basically said "Not communicating is a valid report, moreso if you're playing off meta because 'players may not understand your intentions'". They also mentioned that if players didn't agree with your intentions, they could report you validly as well. Nothing about my statements bleed into gameplay issues, you're just claiming that because Support Singed was mentioned, but nothing about Support Singed's gameplay was mentioned at all, if you actually read. I only mentioned Riot's responses, you know, the company that made the game.

Kei143Feb 13, 20204 votes

SSSinged was not permabanned. He was 14-day banned and they didn't remove the punishment after.

His case was lesser of refusing to communicate, but more about "I am going to jam my playstyle down your throat regardless whether you liked it or not".

Which ultimately is a combination of gameplay and communication combined.

VoraciousXFeb 14, 20203 votes

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SSSinged was not permabanned. He was 14-day banned and they didn't remove the punishment after.

His case was lesser of refusing to communicate, but more about "I am going to jam my playstyle down your throat regardless whether you liked it or not".

Which ultimately is a combination of gameplay and communication combined.

"jam my playstyle down your throat whether you like it or not" is kind of silly. No one has control over another person, so they shouldn't need permission to play how they play. I don't remember the guy's name, but originally he was 14 day banned iirc for "refusing to communicate", in which he started typing up how he was going to play in the pre game lobby in order to facilitate communication, then was perma banned after iirc. They removed the permaban though and made a lengthy post because people got up in arms over it because it was an off meta playstyle, there wasn't anything he was doing that was wrong, and Riot said they don't enforce a meta.

Kei143Feb 14, 20202 votes

The post of all that ruckus was during his 14-day ban. Riot made their off-meta video after support counter jg NuNu got 14-day banned.

AdellaideSkyhart (SSSinged user) was never for permabanned. You can ask him on stream if you want.

https://www.twitch.tv/adellaideskyhart

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AdellaideSkyhart

VoraciousXFeb 14, 20201 votes

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The post of all that ruckus was during his 14-day ban. Riot made their off-meta video after support counter jg NuNu got 14-day banned.

AdellaideSkyhart (SSSinged user) was never for permabanned. You can ask him on stream if you want.

https://www.twitch.tv/adellaideskyhart

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AdellaideSkyhart

That wasn't the name of the guy who I saw posting about being banned that I remember(I could be wrong), but it wasn't a video that I saw, it was an ask Riot or something to that effect, talking about how they didn't want to stifle creativity and whatnot, but people needed to communicate AND ASK THEIR TEAM(well, get their team's permission) if they could play off meta. Point being, you can be reported validly for not communicating, and it wasn't something that ended in 2014 as that was after 2014. Whether he was permabanned or not, does not matter, as that's just nit picking finer details. Which it may have been the Nunu I was thinking of, I could be wrong, but again, still nit picking. What they said does not change because minor details changed.

Kei143Feb 15, 20202 votes

Support counter Jg NuNu wasn't permabanned either.

I know which post you are referring to. It was a Rengar Jg main who got autofilled support, he asked if he can play Jg and his teammate said no, so he banned by his teammate's hover (Rengar) and then locked in Smite Cleanse Soraka support and didn't go bot lane most of the time.

He tried to claim that he was doing off meta strategies like SSSinged and SctJgNuNu, but he was swiftly smited by WookieeCookie cos they see a pattern of him trolling when Rengar gets banned or he gets autofilled.

That Rengar has since deleted that thread, so it can no longer be found, but I still remember it (and I'm sure a bunch of other regular boards users remember too) cos it was a pretty big deal 3 years ago. It was after SctJgNuNu's ban, after the boards post of Riot updating their disruptive gameplay policy, and it was indeed in the comments of the Ask Riot post, but it was before the "Off-meta video requires more communication" video came out.

VoraciousXFeb 18, 20201 votes

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Support counter Jg NuNu wasn't permabanned either.

I know which post you are referring to. It was a Rengar Jg main who got autofilled support, he asked if he can play Jg and his teammate said no, so he banned by his teammate's hover (Rengar) and then locked in Smite Cleanse Soraka support and didn't go bot lane most of the time.

He tried to claim that he was doing off meta strategies like SSSinged and SctJgNuNu, but he was swiftly smited by WookieeCookie cos they see a pattern of him trolling when Rengar gets banned or he gets autofilled.

That Rengar has since deleted that thread, so it can no longer be found, but I still remember it (and I'm sure a bunch of other regular boards users remember too) cos it was a pretty big deal 3 years ago. It was after SctJgNuNu's ban, after the boards post of Riot updating their disruptive gameplay policy, and it was indeed in the comments of the Ask Riot post, but it was before the "Off-meta video requires more communication" video came out.

I never read any case of any Soraka nor mentioned anything about any Soraka. Either way, my point was specifically that you can be reported and punished for lack of communication, as riot themselves said that you need to communicate your strategy. Luckily people don't often report for this so you can avoid it, but if there was a sudden influx of players who started reporting for it, it could totally be punished. If you admit that riot made videos about that, then you're aware that it's a thing, so trying to derail my comment is unnecessary as you proved it correct.

[{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yZMkfLl2,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2020-02-15T07:55:27.354+0000)

They cited that Singed for failure to communicate. However, the player communicated very clearly. For this reason and others, the ban was lifted.

As I said to the person who lodged an argument against my original claim however, and as you yourself just mentioned, Riot can punish for "failure to communicate".

To both of you, the support Singed case is not relevant at all to what I said, it was just an example of such a case occurring in which someone was reported for failure to communicate and action was taken, meaning that you CAN report for failure to communicate. We don't need to dig into the support Singed case, or any other off meta cases, the point of my comment was that you CAN be reported for failure to communicate and it DOES have weight, not who the support Singed was or any other such trivial information. That case was just an example.

True GarenFeb 20, 20201 votes

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To both of you, the support Singed case is not relevant at all to what I said, it was just an example of such a case occurring in which someone was reported for failure to communicate and action was taken, meaning that you CAN report for failure to communicate. We don't need to dig into the support Singed case, or any other off meta cases, the point of my comment was that you CAN be reported for failure to communicate and it DOES have weight, not who the support Singed was or any other such trivial information. That case was just an example.

Thing is... as a result of that case, Riot apparently re-thought their policies. He was also cited for not taking Exhaust as a Support.

I'm not sure that Riot considers "Failure to Communicate" so reprehensible anymore.

(And at times, it feels as though they encourage it.)

VoraciousXFeb 21, 20201 votes

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Thing is... as a result of that case, Riot apparently re-thought their policies. He was also cited for not taking Exhaust as a Support.

I'm not sure that Riot considers "Failure to Communicate" so reprehensible anymore.

(And at times, it feels as though they encourage it.)

I never heard anything about them changing that, for the longest time even after that case I never saw any such thing about failure to communicate not being reportable and they actually mentioned you needed to communicate in their little post after that case. I don't remember the exhaust thing either, because as far as I remember they said they didn't want to force a meta.

True GarenFeb 21, 20201 votes

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I never heard anything about them changing that, for the longest time even after that case I never saw any such thing about failure to communicate not being reportable and they actually mentioned you needed to communicate in their little post after that case. I don't remember the exhaust thing either, because as far as I remember they said they didn't want to force a meta.

They gave three reasons. One of them (maybe even the first one) was failure to take exhaust as a support. The videos documenting the episode are still up on youtube.

True GarenFeb 21, 20201 votes

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I never heard anything about them changing that, for the longest time even after that case I never saw any such thing about failure to communicate not being reportable and they actually mentioned you needed to communicate in their little post after that case. I don't remember the exhaust thing either, because as far as I remember they said they didn't want to force a meta.

If he was banned for "Failure to Communicate", and then they reversed the ban, then that would tend to weaken the charge.

Besides, in the seasons since, Riot has apparently embraced off-meta.

VoraciousXFeb 22, 20201 votes

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If he was banned for "Failure to Communicate", and then they reversed the ban, then that would tend to weaken the charge.

Besides, in the seasons since, Riot has apparently embraced off-meta.

Failure to communicate was only one thing, and again, in the post afterwards they mentioned the need to communicate your pick and even basically asking for permission. Also as someone else said, the person did communicate via a big wall of text copy paste in every lobby before the game started, so that would be the reason for them reversing it, I'd imagine. They don't track lobby chat from what I've always been told so evidence of his streams or videos of him playing was probably the reason the ban was lifted.

Riot has embraced off meta by giving some champions numbers in order to make off meta not feel like trolling to their allies(even if someone can make off meta stuff work without trolling in the first place, and that even leads into those "off meta" builds becoming almost or actually meta. I used to go lethality Eve top before she was killed...ehm…."reworked" and people hated me for it until I got first blood and shit on my enemy laners). If they were embracing off meta in pro play, it would be because their teammates don't argue about their picks, they work around them, something solo queue players do not do.

True GarenFeb 15, 20201 votes

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That wasn't the name of the guy who I saw posting about being banned that I remember(I could be wrong), but it wasn't a video that I saw, it was an ask Riot or something to that effect, talking about how they didn't want to stifle creativity and whatnot, but people needed to communicate AND ASK THEIR TEAM(well, get their team's permission) if they could play off meta. Point being, you can be reported validly for not communicating, and it wasn't something that ended in 2014 as that was after 2014. Whether he was permabanned or not, does not matter, as that's just nit picking finer details. Which it may have been the Nunu I was thinking of, I could be wrong, but again, still nit picking. What they said does not change because minor details changed.

You're describing the AdellaideSkyhart case. You basically told the whole story. That's the guy. (Incidentally, the player also has the world's record for Singed mastery points.)

True GarenFeb 15, 20201 votes

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SSSinged was not permabanned. He was 14-day banned and they didn't remove the punishment after.

His case was lesser of refusing to communicate, but more about "I am going to jam my playstyle down your throat regardless whether you liked it or not".

Which ultimately is a combination of gameplay and communication combined.

Incorrect. The ban was removed after a couple of days, with Riot issuing a public apology. Documented on several youtube videos.

True GarenFeb 15, 20201 votes

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Was the Singed perma-ban upheld?

You cannot report someone for refusing to communicate if it is not a clickable option.... The Singed case involved a lot more than your previous statement of

The Singed case is more of a gameplay issue.

It was a temporary ban, and it was not upheld.

True GarenFeb 15, 20201 votes

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I'm pretty sure in the Support Singed case, that was considered a "valid report", and when they set the limitations on what IS and what ISN'T off meta, they said you could play off meta, but the "refusing to communicate" report would have more weight. That wasn't in 2014. It may not be a clickable option, but I'm 99.99999% sure that if you report someone for refusing to communicate, it will be considered valid, especially if you play off meta.

They cited that Singed for failure to communicate. However, the player communicated very clearly. For this reason and others, the ban was lifted.

Kei143Feb 13, 20201 votes

Eh... All a report does is to flag the system to review the game. The toxicity score returned from the review and it is also possible for the system to return a toxicity score of 0 if there was no toxicity found within the game.

Reports alone do nothing when you've done nothing wrong.

NF RemiliaFeb 13, 20203 votes

Getting upset isn't allowed no matter what happens to you. You're unable to get upset at anything.

You can get upset, howeve its not allowed to be toxic towards your teammates. Im playing since season 1 and ive never been banned or chat restricted. I always tell if someone do a bad play or if im upset etc. Theres a huge difference between being upset and being an as.hole

Samus Aran buttFeb 13, 20202 votes

[{quoted}](name=NF Remilia,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yZMkfLl2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-02-13T06:55:07.797+0000)

You can get upset, howeve its not allowed to be toxic towards your teammates. Im playing since season 1 and ive never been banned or chat restricted. I always tell if someone do a bad play or if im upset etc. Theres a huge difference between being upset and being an as.hole

I try to not be an asshole but I can say something such as "hey (Champion A) is going to be scaling super hard would a gank be ok?" and get just practically spit on for suggesting anything like that. I will be called trash bad garbage and every other name under the sun and those people go about their days still untouched by any punishment. I defend myself in an argument about me trying to defend rather than fighting a bad fight and I get told to literally off myself. And that's okay, that is fine they will go onto the next game. Most likely say the same thing if its a bad match again and continue on for what seems like indefinitely. I just get told I'm not allowed to defend myself when I see that. That seems lop sided as can be.

KingCheeseburgerFeb 13, 20202 votes

Wasn't the "Support Singed" thing just some guy queueing up support and then taking smite and and fucking off, leaving his ADC in a 2v1?

Tele IIFeb 13, 20202 votes

Damn. You got a strange way of learning. You can get upset. No one has gotten banned for being upset bro. Just dont insult people in chat, argue excessively in chat, call for reports or troll, and you'll be fine. You can yell and scream and be as upset as you want though. Its not like Riot is over your shoulder watching you. They only see what you put in chat. So get upset man, rage away... just dont put it in chat because im gonna report you ;)

omgitsgbFeb 18, 20202 votes

you can get upset, you just cant say stupid shit. If your always upset, thats a you problem. :)

Yin Yang TaoistFeb 13, 20201 votes

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Getting upset isn't allowed no matter what happens to you. You're unable to get upset at anything. Team purposefully trolling when they're not in a full 5 man group? Can't prove they are so they're free to go. Teammates punishing each other over petty things? Nah just a new strategy there's no reason to be mad, and if you do get mad you're reported. And you can say things like "Hey we can't understand you we need some communication." or something similar that's a bad report. If you get flamed and reason back against said flame that's also a bad report. Riot doesn't like you getting upset they like you to think of everything at a emotionless thing because the game isn't fun its just a system meant to be addicting which is why people still play it 90% of the time. They don't enjoy it but it gets their dopamine flowing when they're doing good, but not enough to bring actual joy. They want to keep people in that grey little area of emotionless cycling to make sure when they release a new flashy skin that's what you see and end up buying.

/Mute all is your friend, OP. I can understand where you're coming from. And that's why I use this command right as soon as I get into the game! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]