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riot. i need a response. i know in my heart i am not toxic. what is your opinion of me?

Msatie·6/17/2016, 7:42:51 PM·1 votes·1,860 views

This is a post about "laner freedom". The "main point" of this post is i want to know if riot will recognize "laner freedom".

This post will be very long. But it has to be long to fully and properly explain what "laner freedom" is and why it is an issue. After i fully explain what laner freedom is, i hope riot will respond and let us know if they recognize or do not recognize laner freedom.

i need to know riots real position on laner freedom, so i can know what actions i need to take to stop getting my accounts banned.

Also i would like riot to share their opinion of me and if they think im the type of player that they want playing their game. but beyond that, the "main point" of this thread is "laner freedom". which i will explain by the end of everything

riot. i will fully explain my opinions, positions, and feelings in this post. i will explain what i would like you to do (and this thing i will ask for is completely fair. or at least i believe it is fair). and i also will ask you for your true opinion on me.

am i someone that you believe should be playing league of legends? Do you want me to play your game? i hope you do. because i absolutely love playing your game. your game is a awesome display of skill and mental power and cunning spirit, and such a thing is very enjoyable to a highly competitive spirit like me.

im sure lots of people think they are "pro level". but i really do. im confident i can absolutely dominate the pro scene and be a godly shotcaller and my goal is to reach that level one day soon. once i can figure out how to stop getting my accounts banned i should reach my real elo and prove i can compete at that level

now moving on. here are my opinions, positions, and feelings.

when i play jungle and i go to a lane i usually help get a kill. but many times i dont even get a kill but there are other things i am doing to help the team. usually something like

  1. help my ally reset his minion wave so he can farm more safely

  2. shove out a enemy who is low. forcing him to recall and lose minions

  3. hold a tower so my ally who is low can recall, shop for potions, heal, and lane CS is not wasted

things such as that are what i do as a jungler that positively impacts my team. and you dont even need to "get a kill" as a jungler to do those things and have a positive impact

also. i believe getting kills isnt really that large of a factor to being a strong jungler. i believe simply farming the jungle without dying and without needing your teams help, so your team can focus on making their own champions stronger too, is one of the strongest ways to have a positive impact as a jungler. (and my definition of "positive impact" is something that increases your teams chance to win. "negative impact" increases your teams chance to lose.)

when i play jungle i pretty much never die before 15 minutes. and even if i am invaded by all 5 enemies i wont die and i wont require my teams help to avoid dying. i am, simply put, "that good". its very difficult for the enemy to kill me, almost impossible, and i increase my gold while never dying to give the enemy. i am immune to death (while usually ganking and killing the enemy and making them die). and i dont need my teams help or protection to be a god so my team can focus on their lanes. this ability to "farm while never feeding" is an ability that most junglers below diamond lack. and im not mad at them for their lack of skill. im simply saying it is a skill and they lack it. and im fine with it. i just want them to stay out of my lane so i can carry

this level of jungle skill. to be immune to death without requiring any help from your team to obtain that immortality, while farming to increase your gold, while making movements/actions to increase your teams chances to win and have positive impacts while being an immortal god. it is my level of jungle skill. however i know its unfair for me to expect junglers other than me to have that level of skill. my jungle skill is challenger level. im confident i could win games in challenger playing top or jungle. so of course i cant expect any people around me in lower elo to come in any way close to my skill level

when i play top and when i observe junglers that are not me. i judge that almost 100% of the time when my jungler comes top. it negatively impacts my team and it increases our chance to lose.

i am a god jungler. however i am a hypergod toplaner. im even stronger toplane. when i play toplane i absolutely dominate my lane. i can sense and calculate the "flow" of my lane properly and act by myself with my own power. i usually get double kills when the enemy jungler disrespects my lanes state of "flow" and underestimates my power and tries to gank me.

there is an essence that exists in the lane that is hard to describe and stronger laners are more in tune with this essence. i dont know what to call this "essence" that i have come to be able to sense after thousands of league games. for now i will call it "flow". however i was thinking of maybe calling it "lane chakra". because its like the "energy of the lane". but the term "flow" is fine. the term is not important

this "flow" is something that i cant really describe and contains hundreds likely thousands of variables and sub-calculations that are slowly learned over thousands of league ranked games. the most powerful laners in league have nurtured their ability to be able to sense and calculate flow and use their game senses to create strong advantages in lane.

however even though i am this powerful. there is a limit to what can be carried and my skill requires very specific calculations of "flow" to create the realities i can create in lane.

my junglers who disrespect flow pretty much only create bad situations for me in lane. i have "hope" for my jungler every game. i "hope" that he is good. but nearly 100% of the time he is not. which is why i judged that "telling all my junglers to stay out of my lane right away, before he even has a chance to come ruin my lane" would massively increase my winrate. and my theory proved to be true. my winrate increased massively once i started doing that.

when junglers that are not me come to my lane, over hundreds of games where i started to really realize whats happening and observe this, i have observed that almost 100% of the time my jungler is coming at a bad time. there is that rare 1 or 2 junglers over hundreds of games that come at the right time. but it is so rare that i cant trust it at all.

however. it seems to be strangely only for toplane. because when i see my jungler ganking MID and BOT i would say 50% of the time he is doing a good gank. however for some reason 99% of the time when my junglers come top they are doing a bad gank. I dont know why this happens, but it happens in all my games.

and i am a god jungler so i know when ganks are "good" and "bad". i have the ability to judge such things. a "bad gank" is something that negatively impacts the team and reduces the teams chance to win. a "bad gank" hurts the laner and makes him "worse off" than before. many times a "bad gank" hurts the entire team too. my junglers for some reason only give me "bad ganks". and for sure, it would be possible to give me "good ganks". and if i could magically clone myself and make me be my own jungler, then i would give myself "good ganks". if i had voice communication in ranked and i could voice shotcall for my team and shotcall for my jungler im sure i could help him give me "good ganks". it certainly is possible to give me good ganks. but it requires skill. skills that i have and skills that people other than me dont have.

here are examples of ways a "bad gank" can hurt me and the team. pretty much 100% of the "ganks" i get from my junglers are something like the following. which means simply put, my junglers "bad gank" is negatively impacting the team and increasing my teams chance to lose. this is why i want to find a way to effectively encourage my junglers to "stay out of my lane"

  1. my jungler comes and doesnt get a kill. he takes damage in the exchange. my jungler then disrespects the power of the enemy jungler and moves out to find more farm. my jungler starts to farm while being low HP. my jungler revealed his location in his "gank". the enemy jungler reads that information reads that he is low health and hunts down my jungler. usually the enemy jungler succeeds and hunts down and kills my jungler. the whole process equals a NET GAIN of lots of GOLD+EXP to the enemy jungler. a LOSS of farming time and gold for my jungler (both from the time he spent trying to gank. and respawn time). a LOSS of map pressure for my team during my junglers respawn time. and usually my jungler shoved my lane in the process putting me in a weaker position where my enemy can poke me harder and i am in a more risky lane position to be ganked. net result is a MASSIVE NEGATIVE IMPACT for my team and a greatly increased chance for my team to lose

  2. my jungler comes and doesnt respect the power of the enemy jungler who is MIA. i judge the enemy jungler+laner can easily kill us given current power levels. my jungler engages and, like clockwork, the enemy jungler is (as i knew it) seconds away and appears within seconds to join the fight. if i help my jungler in the fight we will both die. i really have no good options in this situation. which is why i prefer my jungler simply "stay out of my lane" in a world with no ranked voice communication.

(in this situation i described above. i normally have to let my jungler die and i save myself and i try to farm on and increase my power to hopefully carry and win. I know it may sound bad that i "let my jungler die". But this act is not trolling. Trolling is where you are trying to lose. I have the spirit of victory and i always play to win. i always play to win no matter what, and my game sense of the gods judges that the act of me saving myself to reduce the amount of gold the enemy gets is the action that will give me the strongest chances to win. Because my spirit of victory and my resolve is absolute, that means i will always play and do actions that i judge as giving me the strongest chance to win. I will always try my hardest to win no matter what. It is in my essence. And i cannot change this aspect of who i am)

  1. my jungler comes and doesnt respect my enemies power level and the current lane "flow". or my jungler doesnt even know how to sense such things which is probably the case. either way i judge the "gank" will hurt me because we cant even get the kill and in the process i will lose health if i join the fight. and when i lose health it means i can no longer safely farm because i can die if the enemy jungler is near. so because i lost health in the fight (and we didnt even get the kill. my enemy was able to get out without taking much damage) i can either farm and risk dying, or recall and lose many minions anyway. both situations are bad for me and were created by my junglers "bad gank". both situations are a negative impact for my lane, and ultimately the team, because it increases my teams chance to lose

i could easily describe much more scenarios. but those 3 should be enough. hopefully with that you "get the point". my junglers are giving me "bad ganks". their "play" is negatively impacting the team and increases everyones chance to lose. i have noticed this in near 100% of junglers i meet in ranked below masters. which is why i prefer in every game to immediately ask my jungler to "stay out of my lane"

so there. thats some of my "reasons". im not mad at my junglers. i want to carry them and give them a win.

i want to make clear that i am not mad at my jungler. im fine with him being on my team. i simply want him to stay out of my lane. as long as he stays out of my lane i can carry the game and be a god. i am not mad at my junglers lack of skill. i like my jungler as a person and i want to carry my jungler and give him a win and make him feel happy to increase his ELO and win the game

i like my jungler as a person. i just dont like his "ganks". and in order for me to carry my jungler and give him the win he wants, i need him to "stay out of my lane"

its that simple. stay out of my lane and i will be a god and carry you

and im completely fine with the reality where i need to carry my junglers. what annoys me is how difficult it is to effectively encourage my jungler to stay out of my lane.

i wish there was a way i could "nicely ask my jungler to stay out of my lane" and have my jungler, a majority of the time, say "cool bro. no problem"

sadly most jungler i meet in ranked say "lol bro. camping your lane now" when i "nicely ask" them to stay out. so i had to make my requests a little bit "more powerful" to actually see a reality where my junglers stay out of my lane so i could have a higher winrate.

i would love to have an easy way in champ select to nicely ask my jungler to "stay out of my lane". which sadly should be so simple and easy, yet it is not. most junglers i meet in ranked say "lol bro. camping top" when i nicely ask them to stay out of my lane

anyway i could write a long story about methods i tried to use and test to get my junglers to "stay out of my lane" and how those methods got my accounts banned. but that information is pretty pointless and useless. i want to move on to solutions and actions and results. i want to throw away my past and focus on the future

riot. please work with me. i know in my heart i am not toxic. there is just a small problem with your game that i will call "laner freedom" which is something i think can be easily and quickly solved (and ill explain how in a moment). this "problem" is the deeper reason my accounts were banned. my lack of "laner freedom" is what created some situations that you viewed as toxic.

but i know im not toxic. i never bash my teammates and im not mean to teammates. go look into my chatlogs. the highest level of "toxic chat" you see from me in games is chat where i am "begging my jungler to stay out of my lane". and i admit i am sometimes "spamming" those messages for MAYBE ONE MINUTE MAX out of frustration. im sorry that i sometimes do that but i am trying to change that.

that is my "level" of "toxicity". i sometimes spam messages for a minute where i beg my jungler to stay out of my lane. there. thats it. my god im "so toxic". i say a few of those messages for maybe a minute at most and then i stop trying. and sure i admit, maybe you can find ONE or TWO games over hundreds where my jungler bashes the hell out of me and i break down and i "talk back". i am trying to change and stop doing that. and i understand and accept the bans on my accounts where i break down and "talk back". i understand those bans and i know i can simply create a new account and get it to 30 and "start fresh" in ranked. which is exactly what i do.

i believe someone who is "toxic" means he is a "bad teammate". i know i am a good teammate. i know i am someone that "most" league players want on their team. because "most" league players ultimately want to win. And i am probably one the strongest players in the world to have on your team if you want to win, and im including faker and uzi in this list of "strong players".

sure. maybe "some" players out there wouldnt want me on their team because im "lightly toxic" (and the extent of my "lightly toxic chat" is me typing for a minute and begging my jungler to stay out of my lane). however i believe "most" players would want me on their team because they ultimately want to win and they want to witness the god

Maybe im wrong, but all of my observations of my skill indicate to me that i am that strong of a player. I have never encountered anyone in lane that approaches coming close to my skill level.

i believe most people who get me on their team and "witness the god" would say they like having me as a teammate and would like to have me on their team again. i believe i really am a good teammate in the eyes of most of my teams.

but who knows. maybe im "wrong" about this. maybe im "wrong" about everything and im actually "toxic" and im a "bad teammate" and im someone that almost no players "want" on their team.

i hope that is not reality. i really hope not. because i strongly know in my heart that i always try my hardest to win. i hope i am not in a grand delusion and denial of reality. I hope i am a "good teammate" that people like having on their team.

and my definition of "good teammate" is a teammate that greatly increases your chance to win. thats what i am. i am a god. i am a teammate that "greatly increases your chance to win".

if you have a different "definition" of a what a good teammate is. that is fine. everyone is allowed to have their own definition. a "good teammate" comes down to your own "definition" of what such a thing is.

i am simply saying that for me and how i view this game, my definition a "good teammate" is a teammate that greatly increases your chance to win. because what i care about is WINNING. i play this game to WIN

i believe i am the perfect teammate. i would love to have 4 people that are like me on my team every game that share my attitude and are gods like me.

so riot. please help me. how can i see results? how can i effectively encourage my junglers to "stay out of my lane" ? how can i stop my accounts from being banned while being able to enjoy ranked and win my games and carry my teams and reach my true elo and discover for myself what my true actual skill level is?

well riot. the above are things that i "want". and i actually already have figured out the "solution".

i will say the solution now. the solution involves me ASKING you for something riot. I hope you had to time to read everything in this thread. because i believe my solution and request is completely fair

HERE IS MY SOLUTION

riot my friends. i actually will now ASK you for something. I believe what i ask for is fair. or am i wrong? do you think what i am asking for is fair?

riot i am asking you to PLEASE post in this thread saying that you recognize "laner freedom". and please update the summoners code to include a line or two about "laner freedom". here is what i view as "laner freedom"

i will describe it in the riot response i wish to get. RIOT i am asking you to PLEASE POST in this thread and recognize "laner freedom". this is what "laner freedom" is

""""""""""""""""""""" Hello Summoners. We here at riot games have looked into the issue of laner freedom. And we believe it is a real issue and we will now recognize the issue.

In short. Riot would like to recognize that all laners have laner freedom. The following is what laner freedom is.

Laner freedom means we believe laners should have the freedom and right to request that their jungler "stay out of their lane". And if the laner communicates to the jungler to "stay out of their lane" and the jungler still comes, then we want to recognize and let laners know that we view the jungler as the the person who is actively intentionally trying to lose by willingly taking an action in the laners lane, that he knows the laner does not desire (involving usually feeding or pushing the wave which actively gives the laner a disadvantage in his own lane. which gives the whole team a increased chance of losing).

Junglers should stay out of a laners lane if that laner requests no help. It is simple decency and common kindness.

By such logic. this means riot will recognize that if the laner decides he has to "let the jungler die" in order to save himself and have the highest chance to win, then riot does not view such an action as "trolling" or "trying to lose" or "helping the enemy team". No. Instead, riot wants to let laners know that we share your view and we view such an action as the laner is trying his hardest to win by saving himself, and it is the jungler who is trolling by willingly coming to the lane to feed when he knows the laner does not desire help.

As such. To all laners out there. Riot wants to let you know we recognize your laner freedom. All laners have the right to communicate to their jungler and make the request to their jungler to stay out of their lanes. And if you make such communications to your jungler, it is okay to let him die if he comes to your lane if you judge that you have to make such actions to have the highest chance to win. We here at riot always want our players to try your hardest to win, even if it means you have to witness your jungler die in front of you because you judge you may die too if you try to help. """""""""""""""""""""

so riot. that is what laner freedom is. that is what i want you to recognize

so riot. do you recognize laner freedom ? do i have a right to communicate to my jungler and ask him to stay out of my lane? am i allowed to "let my jungler die" if i judge that such an action is what ultimately gives me the highest chance to win? am i allowed to always "try my hardest to win no matter what" or do i have to intentionally "play weak" in order to avoid being banned?

riot i need to know your true opinion on this issue. if you DO NOT recognize laner freedom, then i believe it is highly unfair to laners

however riot please respond and let me know the truth. i need to know the truth about this issue so i can play the game and not be banned

riot if you post in this thread and say you DO NOT recognize laner freedom, then i will do what i have to do to stop my accounts from being banned. I will "help" my jungler when he comes to my lane and i will "die with my jungler". even when i know such actions will increase my chance to lose

riot. if you tell me that i HAVE TO take such actions to stop my accounts from being banned. then fine. I will do what i have to do to stop myself from getting banned. I will "help my junglers" even when i know "helping my jungler" and "dying with him" is an action that will decrease my winrate by probably 10%. i will do whatever i have to do to stop myself from being banned. even if it means i have to essentially "lose games on purpose" and "die with my junglers" and take actions that will reduce my winrate by 10%

i would love to ALWAYS TRY MY HARDEST TO WIN in this competitive game. but riot, if you do not recognize laner freedom then i will have no choice. i will have to willingly engage in "weak plays" in order to stop my accounts from being banned so i can finally reach my real rank of challenger without my accounts constantly getting banned simply because im trying to win and im taking actions that i have to do to actually win the game.

31 Comments

Jo0o6/17/2016, 8:04:06 PM2 votes

Good god, man. You just wrote a ten-page thesis on how good you think you are at League of Legends. As a Silver 2.

I have no idea if you had a point to make or not. If you want people to listen to you, you need to learn how to provide information in a concise fashion. This was ridiculous.

Zielmann6/17/2016, 8:01:19 PM2 votes

Hard to tell without the past logs, but my guess is that your arrogance comes off just as strong in-game as in this post, which is probably a big part of why your allies are put-off by your behavior to begin with. Asking the jungler to not gank is a negative statement. I don't mean that in a punishable/not punishable sort of thing. I mean it literally as saying that "do not" is a negative phrase. Had you tried, at all, to redirect the jungler in a positive way? Did it even cross your mind to offer up something like "Hey, I've got my lane under control, so you can focus your ganks on mid/bot to get them ahead"? There's no negative in that statement.

Laner freedom, as you put it, does exist. But you should put a positive spin on it for the team and people will likely take it much better. I also highly doubt at this point that all you said in game was "please don't gank my lane" to the jungler...

EndGamer116/18/2016, 4:48:06 AM2 votes

How to mostly keep your jungler out of your lane: "Hey man, I play more passively, gank bot and mid more this game, please." Observe - Casual tone lets the jungler know you're a chill guy - tells the jungler to do something other than gank you, instead of being told what not to do. - polite

However, some silver players think they're hot shit, that they can't die, etc. and will gank your lane anyways. When this happens, it is in your best interests to support your teammate so that you can force the enemy out of lane.

P.S. After looking through your Match History, you might want to reevaluate your "hypergod" status in top. It seems that before you conquer your promos to gold you need to conquer your ego.

DrCyanide6/17/2016, 8:04:05 PM2 votes

Oh, you're that guy who threatened to AFK/Feed/Whatever if the jungler came into your lane.

Sorry, it's a team game. Get use to a teammate trying to do what they think is best or go back to a solo game.

Stalinium6/17/2016, 8:43:14 PM1 votes

Is this a joke lol? Shouldn't it be under memes and games?

Msatie6/17/2016, 8:52:37 PM1 votes

i wont bump this too much. i dont want to spam. i just want a riot response

im sad that people will probably think my whole post is a "troll" because its so long.. but its not. i really want to know riots position on the issue. and i had to make the post large to completely explain every details of the issue and why it exists

i will just bump this once a day until riot responds. i dont want to spam. once a day is fine

i believe its a real issue and i want to know riots stance on laner freedom

Msatie6/18/2016, 1:40:11 AM1 votes

here is what i have created . i will use this on my new accounts and see how effective it is

i will be using this in my future champion select lobby. i think this will be maybe 80% effective. 20% of junglers will still come to my lane but i will just have to accept those losses i guess.

what is your opinions friends. is my new message "acceptable" and "okay" ?

XYZ . jungle friend . are you there ? i have to say something

hi jungle friend . ill make this easy to understand . stay out of my lane . i want zero ganks and zero help

jungle friend . i am asking you as nicely as i can . i hope you will be nice to me and do this for me

i am begging you friend . please be nice to me and stay out of my lane . thank you and godspeed

Msatie6/17/2016, 7:45:30 PM1 votes

forgot to put in my breaks

put in my breaks now

should be easier to read

DefNotABot6/18/2016, 11:44:13 PM1 votes

I honestly thought this was satire. If you're being serious then holy shit I've never met with such an inflated ego. If you're not being serious, then your joke was really not that well thought out or funny

VernMcHanson6/17/2016, 7:47:35 PM1 votes

if only you had put this much effort into a new account. Probably would be level 30 by now.

Also, FYI no one at RIOT actually overturns a ban. So no point in arguing your case.

Destíny6/17/2016, 7:50:39 PM1 votes

Is this a joke. A god? Immune to Death? A hypergod? Lmao I haven't seen arrogance like this in so long. People consider faker a god but not once did he consider himself a god. And, then there's you. "I'm God. I'm Hypergod. I'm immune to death."

Like Bro? You think you're challenger? No. You are silver.

EvilDustMan6/17/2016, 8:35:55 PM1 votes

I need a TLDR version.