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riot. i need a response. i know in my heart i am not toxic. what is your opinion of me?

Msatie··1 votes·1,860 views

This is a post about "laner freedom". The "main point" of this post is i want to know if riot will recognize "laner freedom".

This post will be very long. But it has to be long to fully and properly explain what "laner freedom" is and why it is an issue. After i fully explain what laner freedom is, i hope riot will respond and let us know if they recognize or do not recognize laner freedom.

i need to know riots real position on laner freedom, so i can know what actions i need to take to stop getting my accounts banned.

Also i would like riot to share their opinion of me and if they think im the type of player that they want playing their game. but beyond that, the "main point" of this thread is "laner freedom". which i will explain by the end of everything

riot. i will fully explain my opinions, positions, and feelings in this post. i will explain what i would like you to do (and this thing i will ask for is completely fair. or at least i believe it is fair). and i also will ask you for your true opinion on me.

am i someone that you believe should be playing league of legends? Do you want me to play your game? i hope you do. because i absolutely love playing your game. your game is a awesome display of skill and mental power and cunning spirit, and such a thing is very enjoyable to a highly competitive spirit like me.

im sure lots of people think they are "pro level". but i really do. im confident i can absolutely dominate the pro scene and be a godly shotcaller and my goal is to reach that level one day soon. once i can figure out how to stop getting my accounts banned i should reach my real elo and prove i can compete at that level

now moving on. here are my opinions, positions, and feelings.

when i play jungle and i go to a lane i usually help get a kill. but many times i dont even get a kill but there are other things i am doing to help the team. usually something like

  1. help my ally reset his minion wave so he can farm more safely

  2. shove out a enemy who is low. forcing him to recall and lose minions

  3. hold a tower so my ally who is low can recall, shop for potions, heal, and lane CS is not wasted

things such as that are what i do as a jungler that positively impacts my team. and you dont even need to "get a kill" as a jungler to do those things and have a positive impact

also. i believe getting kills isnt really that large of a factor to being a strong jungler. i believe simply farming the jungle without dying and without needing your teams help, so your team can focus on making their own champions stronger too, is one of the strongest ways to have a positive impact as a jungler. (and my definition of "positive impact" is something that increases your teams chance to win. "negative impact" increases your teams chance to lose.)

when i play jungle i pretty much never die before 15 minutes. and even if i am invaded by all 5 enemies i wont die and i wont require my teams help to avoid dying. i am, simply put, "that good". its very difficult for the enemy to kill me, almost impossible, and i increase my gold while never dying to give the enemy. i am immune to death (while usually ganking and killing the enemy and making them die). and i dont need my teams help or protection to be a god so my team can focus on their lanes. this ability to "farm while never feeding" is an ability that most junglers below diamond lack. and im not mad at them for their lack of skill. im simply saying it is a skill and they lack it. and im fine with it. i just want them to stay out of my lane so i can carry

this level of jungle skill. to be immune to death without requiring any help from your team to obtain that immortality, while farming to increase your gold, while making movements/actions to increase your teams chances to win and have positive impacts while being an immortal god. it is my level of jungle skill. however i know its unfair for me to expect junglers other than me to have that level of skill. my jungle skill is challenger level. im confident i could win games in challenger playing top or jungle. so of course i cant expect any people around me in lower elo to come in any way close to my skill level

when i play top and when i observe junglers that are not me. i judge that almost 100% of the time when my jungler comes top. it negatively impacts my team and it increases our chance to lose.

i am a god jungler. however i am a hypergod toplaner. im even stronger toplane. when i play toplane i absolutely dominate my lane. i can sense and calculate the "flow" of my lane properly and act by myself with my own power. i usually get double kills when the enemy jungler disrespects my lanes state of "flow" and underestimates my power and tries to gank me.

there is an essence that exists in the lane that is hard to describe and stronger laners are more in tune with this essence. i dont know what to call this "essence" that i have come to be able to sense after thousands of league games. for now i will call it "flow". however i was thinking of maybe calling it "lane chakra". because its like the "energy of the lane". but the term "flow" is fine. the term is not important

this "flow" is something that i cant really describe and contains hundreds likely thousands of variables and sub-calculations that are slowly learned over thousands of league ranked games. the most powerful laners in league have nurtured their ability to be able to sense and calculate flow and use their game senses to create strong advantages in lane.

however even though i am this powerful. there is a limit to what can be carried and my skill requires very specific calculations of "flow" to create the realities i can create in lane.

my junglers who disrespect flow pretty much only create bad situations for me in lane. i have "hope" for my jungler every game. i "hope" that he is good. but nearly 100% of the time he is not. which is why i judged that "telling all my junglers to stay out of my lane right away, before he even has a chance to come ruin my lane" would massively increase my winrate. and my theory proved to be true. my winrate increased massively once i started doing that.

when junglers that are not me come to my lane, over hundreds of games where i started to really realize whats happening and observe this, i have observed that almost 100% of the time my jungler is coming at a bad time. there is that rare 1 or 2 junglers over hundreds of games that come at the right time. but it is so rare that i cant trust it at all.

however. it seems to be strangely only for toplane. because when i see my jungler ganking MID and BOT i would say 50% of the time he is doing a good gank. however for some reason 99% of the time when my junglers come top they are doing a bad gank. I dont know why this happens, but it happens in all my games.

and i am a god jungler so i know when ganks are "good" and "bad". i have the ability to judge such things. a "bad gank" is something that negatively impacts the team and reduces the teams chance to win. a "bad gank" hurts the laner and makes him "worse off" than before. many times a "bad gank" hurts the entire team too. my junglers for some reason only give me "bad ganks". and for sure, it would be possible to give me "good ganks". and if i could magically clone myself and make me be my own jungler, then i would give myself "good ganks". if i had voice communication in ranked and i could voice shotcall for my team and shotcall for my jungler im sure i could help him give me "good ganks". it certainly is possible to give me good ganks. but it requires skill. skills that i have and skills that people other than me dont have.

here are examples of ways a "bad gank" can hurt me and the team. pretty much 100% of the "ganks" i get from my junglers are something like the following. which means simply put, my junglers "bad gank" is negatively impacting the team and increasing my teams chance to lose. this is why i want to find a way to effectively encourage my junglers to "stay out of my lane"

  1. my jungler comes and doesnt get a kill. he takes damage in the exchange. my jungler then disrespects the power of the enemy jungler and moves out to find more farm. my jungler starts to farm while being low HP. my jungler revealed his location in his "gank". the enemy jungler reads that information reads that he is low health and hunts down my jungler. usually the enemy jungler succeeds and hunts down and kills my jungler. the whole process equals a NET GAIN of lots of GOLD+EXP to the enemy jungler. a LOSS of farming time and gold for my jungler (both from the time he spent trying to gank. and respawn time). a LOSS of map pressure for my team during my junglers respawn time. and usually my jungler shoved my lane in the process putting me in a weaker position where my enemy can poke me harder and i am in a more risky lane position to be ganked. net result is a MASSIVE NEGATIVE IMPACT for my team and a greatly increased chance for my team to lose

  2. my jungler comes and doesnt respect the power of the enemy jungler who is MIA. i judge the enemy jungler+laner can easily kill us given current power levels. my jungler engages and, like clockwork, the enemy jungler is (as i knew it) seconds away and appears within seconds to join the fight. if i help my jungler in the fight we will both die. i really have no good options in this situation. which is why i prefer my jungler simply "stay out of my lane" in a world with no ranked voice communication.

(in this situation i described above. i normally have to let my jungler die and i save myself and i try to farm on and increase my power to hopefully carry and win. I know it may sound bad that i "let my jungler die". But this act is not trolling. Trolling is where you are trying to lose. I have the spirit of victory and i always play to win. i always play to win no matter what, and my game sense of the gods judges that the act of me saving myself to reduce the amount of gold the enemy gets is the action that will give me the strongest chances to win. Because my spirit of victory and my resolve is absolute, that means i will always play and do actions that i judge as giving me the strongest chance to win. I will always try my hardest to win no matter what. It is in my essence. And i cannot change this aspect of who i am)

  1. my jungler comes and doesnt respect my enemies power level and the current lane "flow". or my jungler doesnt even know how to sense such things which is probably the case. either way i judge the "gank" will hurt me because we cant even get the kill and in the process i will lose health if i join the fight. and when i lose health it means i can no longer safely farm because i can die if the enemy jungler is near. so because i lost health in the fight (and we didnt even get the kill. my enemy was able to get out without taking much damage) i can either farm and risk dying, or recall and lose many minions anyway. both situations are bad for me and were created by my junglers "bad gank". both situations are a negative impact for my lane, and ultimately the team, because it increases my teams chance to lose

i could easily describe much more scenarios. but those 3 should be enough. hopefully with that you "get the point". my junglers are giving me "bad ganks". their "play" is negatively impacting the team and increases everyones chance to lose. i have noticed this in near 100% of junglers i meet in ranked below masters. which is why i prefer in every game to immediately ask my jungler to "stay out of my lane"

so there. thats some of my "reasons". im not mad at my junglers. i want to carry them and give them a win.

i want to make clear that i am not mad at my jungler. im fine with him being on my team. i simply want him to stay out of my lane. as long as he stays out of my lane i can carry the game and be a god. i am not mad at my junglers lack of skill. i like my jungler as a person and i want to carry my jungler and give him a win and make him feel happy to increase his ELO and win the game

i like my jungler as a person. i just dont like his "ganks". and in order for me to carry my jungler and give him the win he wants, i need him to "stay out of my lane"

its that simple. stay out of my lane and i will be a god and carry you

and im completely fine with the reality where i need to carry my junglers. what annoys me is how difficult it is to effectively encourage my jungler to stay out of my lane.

i wish there was a way i could "nicely ask my jungler to stay out of my lane" and have my jungler, a majority of the time, say "cool bro. no problem"

sadly most jungler i meet in ranked say "lol bro. camping your lane now" when i "nicely ask" them to stay out. so i had to make my requests a little bit "more powerful" to actually see a reality where my junglers stay out of my lane so i could have a higher winrate.

i would love to have an easy way in champ select to nicely ask my jungler to "stay out of my lane". which sadly should be so simple and easy, yet it is not. most junglers i meet in ranked say "lol bro. camping top" when i nicely ask them to stay out of my lane

anyway i could write a long story about methods i tried to use and test to get my junglers to "stay out of my lane" and how those methods got my accounts banned. but that information is pretty pointless and useless. i want to move on to solutions and actions and results. i want to throw away my past and focus on the future

riot. please work with me. i know in my heart i am not toxic. there is just a small problem with your game that i will call "laner freedom" which is something i think can be easily and quickly solved (and ill explain how in a moment). this "problem" is the deeper reason my accounts were banned. my lack of "laner freedom" is what created some situations that you viewed as toxic.

but i know im not toxic. i never bash my teammates and im not mean to teammates. go look into my chatlogs. the highest level of "toxic chat" you see from me in games is chat where i am "begging my jungler to stay out of my lane". and i admit i am sometimes "spamming" those messages for MAYBE ONE MINUTE MAX out of frustration. im sorry that i sometimes do that but i am trying to change that.

that is my "level" of "toxicity". i sometimes spam messages for a minute where i beg my jungler to stay out of my lane. there. thats it. my god im "so toxic". i say a few of those messages for maybe a minute at most and then i stop trying. and sure i admit, maybe you can find ONE or TWO games over hundreds where my jungler bashes the hell out of me and i break down and i "talk back". i am trying to change and stop doing that. and i understand and accept the bans on my accounts where i break down and "talk back". i understand those bans and i know i can simply create a new account and get it to 30 and "start fresh" in ranked. which is exactly what i do.

i believe someone who is "toxic" means he is a "bad teammate". i know i am a good teammate. i know i am someone that "most" league players want on their team. because "most" league players ultimately want to win. And i am probably one the strongest players in the world to have on your team if you want to win, and im including faker and uzi in this list of "strong players".

sure. maybe "some" players out there wouldnt want me on their team because im "lightly toxic" (and the extent of my "lightly toxic chat" is me typing for a minute and begging my jungler to stay out of my lane). however i believe "most" players would want me on their team because they ultimately want to win and they want to witness the god

Maybe im wrong, but all of my observations of my skill indicate to me that i am that strong of a player. I have never encountered anyone in lane that approaches coming close to my skill level.

i believe most people who get me on their team and "witness the god" would say they like having me as a teammate and would like to have me on their team again. i believe i really am a good teammate in the eyes of most of my teams.

but who knows. maybe im "wrong" about this. maybe im "wrong" about everything and im actually "toxic" and im a "bad teammate" and im someone that almost no players "want" on their team.

i hope that is not reality. i really hope not. because i strongly know in my heart that i always try my hardest to win. i hope i am not in a grand delusion and denial of reality. I hope i am a "good teammate" that people like having on their team.

and my definition of "good teammate" is a teammate that greatly increases your chance to win. thats what i am. i am a god. i am a teammate that "greatly increases your chance to win".

if you have a different "definition" of a what a good teammate is. that is fine. everyone is allowed to have their own definition. a "good teammate" comes down to your own "definition" of what such a thing is.

i am simply saying that for me and how i view this game, my definition a "good teammate" is a teammate that greatly increases your chance to win. because what i care about is WINNING. i play this game to WIN

i believe i am the perfect teammate. i would love to have 4 people that are like me on my team every game that share my attitude and are gods like me.

so riot. please help me. how can i see results? how can i effectively encourage my junglers to "stay out of my lane" ? how can i stop my accounts from being banned while being able to enjoy ranked and win my games and carry my teams and reach my true elo and discover for myself what my true actual skill level is?

well riot. the above are things that i "want". and i actually already have figured out the "solution".

i will say the solution now. the solution involves me ASKING you for something riot. I hope you had to time to read everything in this thread. because i believe my solution and request is completely fair

HERE IS MY SOLUTION

riot my friends. i actually will now ASK you for something. I believe what i ask for is fair. or am i wrong? do you think what i am asking for is fair?

riot i am asking you to PLEASE post in this thread saying that you recognize "laner freedom". and please update the summoners code to include a line or two about "laner freedom". here is what i view as "laner freedom"

i will describe it in the riot response i wish to get. RIOT i am asking you to PLEASE POST in this thread and recognize "laner freedom". this is what "laner freedom" is

""""""""""""""""""""" Hello Summoners. We here at riot games have looked into the issue of laner freedom. And we believe it is a real issue and we will now recognize the issue.

In short. Riot would like to recognize that all laners have laner freedom. The following is what laner freedom is.

Laner freedom means we believe laners should have the freedom and right to request that their jungler "stay out of their lane". And if the laner communicates to the jungler to "stay out of their lane" and the jungler still comes, then we want to recognize and let laners know that we view the jungler as the the person who is actively intentionally trying to lose by willingly taking an action in the laners lane, that he knows the laner does not desire (involving usually feeding or pushing the wave which actively gives the laner a disadvantage in his own lane. which gives the whole team a increased chance of losing).

Junglers should stay out of a laners lane if that laner requests no help. It is simple decency and common kindness.

By such logic. this means riot will recognize that if the laner decides he has to "let the jungler die" in order to save himself and have the highest chance to win, then riot does not view such an action as "trolling" or "trying to lose" or "helping the enemy team". No. Instead, riot wants to let laners know that we share your view and we view such an action as the laner is trying his hardest to win by saving himself, and it is the jungler who is trolling by willingly coming to the lane to feed when he knows the laner does not desire help.

As such. To all laners out there. Riot wants to let you know we recognize your laner freedom. All laners have the right to communicate to their jungler and make the request to their jungler to stay out of their lanes. And if you make such communications to your jungler, it is okay to let him die if he comes to your lane if you judge that you have to make such actions to have the highest chance to win. We here at riot always want our players to try your hardest to win, even if it means you have to witness your jungler die in front of you because you judge you may die too if you try to help. """""""""""""""""""""

so riot. that is what laner freedom is. that is what i want you to recognize

so riot. do you recognize laner freedom ? do i have a right to communicate to my jungler and ask him to stay out of my lane? am i allowed to "let my jungler die" if i judge that such an action is what ultimately gives me the highest chance to win? am i allowed to always "try my hardest to win no matter what" or do i have to intentionally "play weak" in order to avoid being banned?

riot i need to know your true opinion on this issue. if you DO NOT recognize laner freedom, then i believe it is highly unfair to laners

however riot please respond and let me know the truth. i need to know the truth about this issue so i can play the game and not be banned

riot if you post in this thread and say you DO NOT recognize laner freedom, then i will do what i have to do to stop my accounts from being banned. I will "help" my jungler when he comes to my lane and i will "die with my jungler". even when i know such actions will increase my chance to lose

riot. if you tell me that i HAVE TO take such actions to stop my accounts from being banned. then fine. I will do what i have to do to stop myself from getting banned. I will "help my junglers" even when i know "helping my jungler" and "dying with him" is an action that will decrease my winrate by probably 10%. i will do whatever i have to do to stop myself from being banned. even if it means i have to essentially "lose games on purpose" and "die with my junglers" and take actions that will reduce my winrate by 10%

i would love to ALWAYS TRY MY HARDEST TO WIN in this competitive game. but riot, if you do not recognize laner freedom then i will have no choice. i will have to willingly engage in "weak plays" in order to stop my accounts from being banned so i can finally reach my real rank of challenger without my accounts constantly getting banned simply because im trying to win and im taking actions that i have to do to actually win the game.

31 Comments

Zielmann2 votes

Hard to tell without the past logs, but my guess is that your arrogance comes off just as strong in-game as in this post, which is probably a big part of why your allies are put-off by your behavior to begin with. Asking the jungler to not gank is a negative statement. I don't mean that in a punishable/not punishable sort of thing. I mean it literally as saying that "do not" is a negative phrase. Had you tried, at all, to redirect the jungler in a positive way? Did it even cross your mind to offer up something like "Hey, I've got my lane under control, so you can focus your ganks on mid/bot to get them ahead"? There's no negative in that statement.

Laner freedom, as you put it, does exist. But you should put a positive spin on it for the team and people will likely take it much better. I also highly doubt at this point that all you said in game was "please don't gank my lane" to the jungler...

Msatie1 votes

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Hard to tell without the past logs, but my guess is that your arrogance comes off just as strong in-game as in this post, which is probably a big part of why your allies are put-off by your behavior to begin with. Asking the jungler to not gank is a negative statement. I don't mean that in a punishable/not punishable sort of thing. I mean it literally as saying that "do not" is a negative phrase. Had you tried, at all, to redirect the jungler in a positive way? Did it even cross your mind to offer up something like "Hey, I've got my lane under control, so you can focus your ganks on mid/bot to get them ahead"? There's no negative in that statement.

Laner freedom, as you put it, does exist. But you should put a positive spin on it for the team and people will likely take it much better. I also highly doubt at this point that all you said in game was "please don't gank my lane" to the jungler...

im not really talking about my "past logs" or if im toxic. i dont care about that. if riot bans me for toxic chat i gladly accept the ban and i make a new account. i accept any bans for me being toxic

that is 1% of this thread. 1% of this thread is i want to know "riots opinion" on me as a person and as a player and if they want me to play their game

99% of this thread is me talking about "laner freedom"

the main point of this thread is "laner freedom"

i want to know what riots position is on "laner freedom"

i believe "laner freedom" is a real issue

what is riots position on laner freedom??

am i allowed to ALWAYS "try my hardest to win. and play in a way that i believe gives me the highest chance to win"

or does riot want me to sometimes "make plays that i know are bad" and i have to "die with my jungler" and essentially "lose on purpose" if i want to stop my accounts from being banned?

Zielmann1 votes

But the logs do matter. They're 100% the reason why you believe this lack of 'laner freedom' is an issue in the game. I maintain that simply not wanting a jungler to gank your lane is perfectly fine. Even asking them to go somewhere else is fine. Back pinging them if they're approaching and you know it's going to be a bad gank is fine (you could even lie and tell them top is warded and they'll probably back off).

The issue isn't whether or not your concept of 'laner freedom' exists. The issue is in how you go about communicating that to your team. There are always ways in which you can communicate these things without causing problems.

Nobody is asking/telling you to not try your hardest, not play to win, or purposefully make poor plays.

Msatie1 votes

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But the logs do matter. They're 100% the reason why you believe this lack of 'laner freedom' is an issue in the game. I maintain that simply not wanting a jungler to gank your lane is perfectly fine. Even asking them to go somewhere else is fine. Back pinging them if they're approaching and you know it's going to be a bad gank is fine (you could even lie and tell them top is warded and they'll probably back off).

The issue isn't whether or not your concept of 'laner freedom' exists. The issue is in how you go about communicating that to your team. There are always ways in which you can communicate these things without causing problems.

Nobody is asking/telling you to not try your hardest, not play to win, or purposefully make poor plays.

my logs dont matter on the issue of laner freedom.

the logs do matter in terms of my bans. of course. i already admitted to that. if riot bans me for toxic chat i have no issue with that and i accept my ban and i make a new account

the issue of laner freedom goes beyond my bans. it is an issue that i want to know riots stance on. it is an issue im sure many laners want to know riots stance on.

you do bring up a good point that it is possible to "communicate your desire for no ganks" in a way that riot may view as "toxic". that is a good point

and if so. riot should say how laners are allowed to "communicate" their desire for no ganks

and in that case. riot can say such things and let us know those things

but still on the overall issue of laner freedom, a much more important issue remains

and that issue is

i want to know RIOTS POSITION on laner freedom

we still do not know riots actual position on laner freedom. that is what i am trying to find out

am i allowed to communicate to my jungler to stay out of my lane?

how am i allowed to communicate that information?

if my jungler still comes, am i allowed to "let my jungler die" if i view it as the action i need to take to give myself the strongest chance to win the game?

or will riot say i have to "play weak on purpose" and i have to "help my jungler" and die with him, even when such actions will make me lose more games and is essentially "losing on purpose" ?

those are the 4 main issues of laner freedom that i want riot to address

i want to always "try my hardest to win" and make the choices in game that i believe will give me the highest chance to win

i always want to be the strongest and most powerful player i can be

however. based on riots policy on laner freedom. i may need to "play weak on purpose" and essentially die with my jungler and "lose on purpose" in order to avoid being banned

Zielmann2 votes

am i allowed to communicate to my jungler to stay out of my lane?

100% yes, if you do it right

how am i allowed to communicate that information?

Same rules regarding any other communication in the game. Bottom line is just don't be a dick about it. And as a general rule, suggestions framed in a positive way are better received than negative (like I said before, tell them you've got your lane under control and suggest they focus their attention elsewhere, as opposed to saying not to go to your lane).

if my jungler still comes, am i allowed to "let my jungler die" if i view it as the action i need to take to give myself the strongest chance to win the game? or will riot say i have to "play weak on purpose" and i have to "help my jungler" and die with him, even when such actions will make me lose more games and is essentially "losing on purpose" ?

You're not responsible for their behavior. If they go against your wishes, you cannot control that. It's up to you to decide in the moment whether it's worth following or not. As a support main, it's generally my job to keep my teammates alive (even to the point of possibly sacrificing myself to allow them to survive). But sometimes I just have to assess a situation and choose to walk away and let somebody die because me helping would only offer a double kill for nothing, instead of a single kill.

That said, if the gank does come in, you need to adjust your analysis of the situation. Sure, it might be most ideal had they not shown up. But if they do and you leave them to die, you're giving your opponent a free 1 for nothing trade. If you do follow in with the gank, could you turn it into at least a 1 for 1 trade instead? You should look to adapt and salvage what you can if at all possible.

All that said, I don't see how either decision is something that's going to put your account at risk inherently. At that point, it all depends on how you react after the fact. Again, don't be a dick about it.

Msatie1 votes

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100% yes, if you do it right

Same rules regarding any other communication in the game. Bottom line is just don't be a dick about it. And as a general rule, suggestions framed in a positive way are better received than negative (like I said before, tell them you've got your lane under control and suggest they focus their attention elsewhere, as opposed to saying not to go to your lane).

You're not responsible for their behavior. If they go against your wishes, you cannot control that. It's up to you to decide in the moment whether it's worth following or not. As a support main, it's generally my job to keep my teammates alive (even to the point of possibly sacrificing myself to allow them to survive). But sometimes I just have to assess a situation and choose to walk away and let somebody die because me helping would only offer a double kill for nothing, instead of a single kill.

That said, if the gank does come in, you need to adjust your analysis of the situation. Sure, it might be most ideal had they not shown up. But if they do and you leave them to die, you're giving your opponent a free 1 for nothing trade. If you do follow in with the gank, could you turn it into at least a 1 for 1 trade instead? You should look to adapt and salvage what you can if at all possible.

All that said, I don't see how either decision is something that's going to put your account at risk inherently. At that point, it all depends on how you react after the fact. Again, don't be a dick about it.

friend i will ask for your opinion and light help

i want to have a lobby message that i can paste in every champ select, which will nicely communicate to my jungler that i want him to never come top and i want zero ganks and zero help

friend. can you design such a champ select message for me?

please give me a champ select message that you believe i can post in every champ select that nicely communicates to my jungler that "i want zero ganks and zero help" in a way that you think would be acceptable to riot

also i still want riot to officially post and give their real stance on "laner freedom"

because your stance is essentially in support of "laner freedom". however i do not yet know if riot shares your view

Zielmann2 votes

Just be nice about it and present it without the god complex.

For champ select? Something along the lines of simply asking the jungler to focus bot or mid should be sufficient. Again, you can't control what the jungler does, but you can certainly make your wishes known in a friendly manner.

Msatie1 votes

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Just be nice about it and present it without the god complex.

For champ select? Something along the lines of simply asking the jungler to focus bot or mid should be sufficient. Again, you can't control what the jungler does, but you can certainly make your wishes known in a friendly manner.

thanks for that advice friend. you pretty much told me things i already know. i am smart enough to figure that stuff out. but thanks for your advice regardless

i actually was kind of asking you for a little more help than that. i understand i am asking for your help for "free". however if you are a very nice person and you dont mind essentially doing some work for me "for free". then here is what i am asking for

i am asking you to design for me a quick little message that i can paste in champion select that you believe would help me effectively encourage my jungler to stay out of my lane, and communicate to him that "i want zero ganks and zero help", in a fashion that you believe riot would view as acceptable

i also would like to find a way to communicate to my jungler that if he disregards my request and still comes to my lane, then there is a very high chance that i will judge the situation and i will likely judge that i have to "not help him" and "let him die" in order to give myself the highest chance of winning the game. i dont believe this kind of message is "toxic" because it is simply "the truth". and i dont believe "the truth" can be "toxic". regardless of how much "the truth" may hurt someones feelings.

that is what im asking for. if you dont want to design such a message for me thats ok. i can design one for myself. but i would greatly appreciate to see the opinion of another person and see what kind of message another person would design if they had to design such a message

DrCyanide2 votes

Oh, you're that guy who threatened to AFK/Feed/Whatever if the jungler came into your lane.

Sorry, it's a team game. Get use to a teammate trying to do what they think is best or go back to a solo game.

Jo0o2 votes

Good god, man. You just wrote a ten-page thesis on how good you think you are at League of Legends. As a Silver 2.

I have no idea if you had a point to make or not. If you want people to listen to you, you need to learn how to provide information in a concise fashion. This was ridiculous.

Msatie1 votes

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Good god, man. You just wrote a ten-page thesis on how good you think you are at League of Legends. As a Silver 2.

I have no idea if you had a point to make or not. If you want people to listen to you, you need to learn how to provide information in a concise fashion. This was ridiculous.

i have won games and dominated my lane in masters. but i wont bother trying to prove such things because 1) i dont care and 2) my skill level has absolutely zero to do with the issue of laner freedom

i only talked about my skill to speak on how i discovered the issue of laner freedom

however. my skill has zero actual importance when it comes to the issue

the conversation of this thread is about laner freedom

i dont care about my skill level. my skill level is not important

i want to know riots position on laner freedom. thats all

Jo0o1 votes

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i have won games and dominated my lane in masters. but i wont bother trying to prove such things because 1) i dont care and 2) my skill level has absolutely zero to do with the issue of laner freedom

i only talked about my skill to speak on how i discovered the issue of laner freedom

however. my skill has zero actual importance when it comes to the issue

the conversation of this thread is about laner freedom

i dont care about my skill level. my skill level is not important

i want to know riots position on laner freedom. thats all

Coulda fooled me. You literally spend the first twelve paragraphs of this abomination talking about how godly you are at this game.

I still don't know what the hell "laner freedom" is supposed to mean, by the way. You allude to it in your opening sentence and then just vomit your daydreams onto the screen for four pages. I'm sure you get to it eventually, but you utterly failed to make your point known.

Msatie1 votes

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Coulda fooled me. You literally spend the first twelve paragraphs of this abomination talking about how godly you are at this game.

I still don't know what the hell "laner freedom" is supposed to mean, by the way. You allude to it in your opening sentence and then just vomit your daydreams onto the screen for four pages. I'm sure you get to it eventually, but you utterly failed to make your point known.

sorry it was so long

but in order to fully explain what laner freedom is i had to explain the many points as to "how and why" a jungler coming to my lane can be "bad" and "negatively impact the team" and "increase our chances to lose"

if a jungler is coming to my lane and he is "negatively impacting the team". i as a laner sometimes have to "let the jungler die" in order to have the strongest chance to win

i would like to always play the game in the fashion that i believe is most powerful and gives me the highest chance to win. and sometimes that means i "have to" let my jungler die if i judge that based on power levels i will die if i try to "help him"

i want to know riots stance on laner freedom

am i allowed to always play in a fashion that i believe is "strongest" ? even if that fashion means i have to let my jungler die? i explained how these situations work in my long post

or will riot say that i need to intentionally "play weaker" and "die with my jungler" in order to stop my accounts fron being banned?

doing such actions will decrease my winrate by about 10%. but if riot says that is their policy, then i have no choice but to follow it

what is riots position on laner freedom? this is a real issue

EndGamer112 votes

How to mostly keep your jungler out of your lane: "Hey man, I play more passively, gank bot and mid more this game, please." Observe - Casual tone lets the jungler know you're a chill guy - tells the jungler to do something other than gank you, instead of being told what not to do. - polite

However, some silver players think they're hot shit, that they can't die, etc. and will gank your lane anyways. When this happens, it is in your best interests to support your teammate so that you can force the enemy out of lane.

P.S. After looking through your Match History, you might want to reevaluate your "hypergod" status in top. It seems that before you conquer your promos to gold you need to conquer your ego.

Msatie1 votes

forgot to put in my breaks

put in my breaks now

should be easier to read

DB ThedarKOne2 votes

Considering I didn't see a single capitalized letter in your entire 300 page post, no it is not. It's also literally impossible to read being that you spend 90% of the post talking about how good you are.

As for the issue of "Laner freedom" as you so call it, you're a moron. This is, and always has been, a team oriented game. If you don't want to accept that fact, then don't play. End of story. The jungler is not obligated to listen to your request to stay out of your lane. That is like an ADC asking their support not to shield or heal them. Pure retardation. It is the support's job to do such things, just as it is a junglers job to put pressure in lanes and help out when they can.

Msatie1 votes

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Considering I didn't see a single capitalized letter in your entire 300 page post, no it is not. It's also literally impossible to read being that you spend 90% of the post talking about how good you are.

As for the issue of "Laner freedom" as you so call it, you're a moron. This is, and always has been, a team oriented game. If you don't want to accept that fact, then don't play. End of story. The jungler is not obligated to listen to your request to stay out of your lane. That is like an ADC asking their support not to shield or heal them. Pure retardation. It is the support's job to do such things, just as it is a junglers job to put pressure in lanes and help out when they can.

i had to talk about how good i am in order to explain the ways in which many times "ganks can be bad" and how i know such truths about the game

i pretty much had to include all of those things in my long post to fully explain the extent of what laner freedom is, and why you sometimes have to "let your jungler die" in order to increase your chance to win the game

DB ThedarKOne1 votes

In lower ELOs, I would certainly let my jungler die if I knew he was ganking at a bad/inopportune time. I'm not going to go in and give a double kill to the person I have to lane against, and most of the time if I make it clear I'm not going to help them if they gank, they don't bother coming.

VernMcHanson1 votes

if only you had put this much effort into a new account. Probably would be level 30 by now.

Also, FYI no one at RIOT actually overturns a ban. So no point in arguing your case.

Msatie1 votes

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if only you had put this much effort into a new account. Probably would be level 30 by now.

Also, FYI no one at RIOT actually overturns a ban. So no point in arguing your case.

im not asking riot to overturn a ban. i never once said anything like that in my post.

im asking riot if they DO or DO NOT recognize laner freedom

i need to know the TRUTH about riots position on laner freedom. in order to know if my actions are "bannable" or "not bannable" by riot.

it is a real issue. you have to read my post to understand the issue

VernMcHanson1 votes

And I am telling you its a waste of time. RIOT bans based on number of reports, not the content of those reports. Lots of circle jerking idiots here think it actually matters what you do or say in game. It doesn't. If you get reported enough you will get banned. Also, you will not get unbanned if you can post proof of clean chat logs. Some RIOTer will scan your account for some arbitrary offense, then call the ban justified. Its just how it works around here. Cant fight it. Just make a new account, dont buy RP. Thats all there is to know. You can thank me in a few years when you recognize that I spoke the truth.

Msatie1 votes

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And I am telling you its a waste of time. RIOT bans based on number of reports, not the content of those reports. Lots of circle jerking idiots here think it actually matters what you do or say in game. It doesn't. If you get reported enough you will get banned. Also, you will not get unbanned if you can post proof of clean chat logs. Some RIOTer will scan your account for some arbitrary offense, then call the ban justified. Its just how it works around here. Cant fight it. Just make a new account, dont buy RP. Thats all there is to know. You can thank me in a few years when you recognize that I spoke the truth.

thats probably be the case. i make new accounts when i am banned. i am not contesting any of my bans. if riot bans me i accept it and make a new account.

however. i would love to know riots real position on laner freedom

a position has to exist.

either riot does or does not support my position on laner freedom. or they have their own modified version of their view. but a view MUST exist. i want to know riots position. i want to know riots view

i would love a riot response so i can know what i have to do to stop my accounts from being banned

Destíny1 votes

Is this a joke. A god? Immune to Death? A hypergod? Lmao I haven't seen arrogance like this in so long. People consider faker a god but not once did he consider himself a god. And, then there's you. "I'm God. I'm Hypergod. I'm immune to death."

Like Bro? You think you're challenger? No. You are silver.

Msatie1 votes

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Is this a joke. A god? Immune to Death? A hypergod? Lmao I haven't seen arrogance like this in so long. People consider faker a god but not once did he consider himself a god. And, then there's you. "I'm God. I'm Hypergod. I'm immune to death."

Like Bro? You think you're challenger? No. You are silver.

my views on my skill level have no importance on the truth of the issue of laner freedom. i just added it in there to explain my positions of how i came to realize the issue of laner freedom

i want to know riots position on laner freedom. nothing more. nothing less. thats all im asking for

my view of my own skill noes not change the actual points of the issue of laner freedom

i want to know if riot recognizes laner freedom. however laner freedom is a complicated thing to explain which is why i needed the long post to explain it

EvilDustMan1 votes

I need a TLDR version.

Stalinium1 votes

Is this a joke lol? Shouldn't it be under memes and games?

Msatie1 votes

i wont bump this too much. i dont want to spam. i just want a riot response

im sad that people will probably think my whole post is a "troll" because its so long.. but its not. i really want to know riots position on the issue. and i had to make the post large to completely explain every details of the issue and why it exists

i will just bump this once a day until riot responds. i dont want to spam. once a day is fine

i believe its a real issue and i want to know riots stance on laner freedom

Msatie1 votes

here is what i have created . i will use this on my new accounts and see how effective it is

i will be using this in my future champion select lobby. i think this will be maybe 80% effective. 20% of junglers will still come to my lane but i will just have to accept those losses i guess.

what is your opinions friends. is my new message "acceptable" and "okay" ?

XYZ . jungle friend . are you there ? i have to say something

hi jungle friend . ill make this easy to understand . stay out of my lane . i want zero ganks and zero help

jungle friend . i am asking you as nicely as i can . i hope you will be nice to me and do this for me

i am begging you friend . please be nice to me and stay out of my lane . thank you and godspeed

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

The way you put everything is extremely annoying, imo. I suggest something more like;

Hey <jungler>, I'm going to control my lane to my playstyle, so go ahead and focus on the other lanes. If you're going to come top ping 'On my way' and I'll 'Danger' ping you if I don't want you to come up.

That's it. Repeatedly feigning to be nice and calling them friend may actually serve to piss them off and result in them coming top in spite of your wishes.

Don't forget, again, that this is a team game and you are not the boss of anyone. If they don't do what you want, then just work with them instead. You can't force them to do anything, and it's up to you to take advantage of their choices or to make it worse. You'll definitely climb better if you work with them instead of against.

DefNotABot1 votes

I honestly thought this was satire. If you're being serious then holy shit I've never met with such an inflated ego. If you're not being serious, then your joke was really not that well thought out or funny

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