It is something that ruins games before they even begin. However, its treated so lightly. Its gotten to the point where people dodge on a whimsy. So, could we increase the punishment in some way? Perhaps, after a certain number of dodges, people are locked from gaining LP/IP. Or make it so dodging makes you lose the same amount of LP you would normally lose, had you lost that game. Something along those lines.
AeroWaffle2 votesIncreasing the penalty for dodging runs the risk of more people trolling champ select in an effort to get someone else to dodge.
TheHappyReaperz1 votesThe same people who would be willing to troll like that would do it anyway. Increasing the penalty does not turn people into trolls.
Magical Player1 votesThe same people who would be willing to troll like that would do it anyway. Increasing the penalty does not turn people into trolls.
yes, but you're punishing the wrong people if someone is being forced to dodge because of a troll then increasing punishment is not doing its job as the troll goes on to do it again
TheHappyReaperz1 votesWhen are you "forced to dodge"? I have people who dodge the instant someone bans their champ, or people who just dodge because they didn't get what they want.
Magical Player1 votespeople who dodge are being punished and if the punish does increase as they dodge more and more but riot knows increasing the dodge punishment would hurt more players that are dodging because they're being trolled rather than they're trolling
TheHappyReaperz1 votesDo you have any evidence for this?
Magical Player2 votesThe only evidence I have, is what my friends who play league and my personal experience is,(im sure a mod/rioter posted something about it awhile ago, but can't claim that as i can't look for it atm) I dodge when a game in lobby looks unwinnable, i take my lp and time hits. Now these are rare occurences, but I don't feel they're worthy of a 20 lp loss, when i could play the game and lose 20 lp.
Simply put, if the punishment is worse than actually playing the game, you're keeping people who now are less likly to try or even care about the outcome. As it was decided that it was a loss long before the game even began.
It's a light punishment as a game didn't occur, and nobody else is affected(minor time delay). Its similiar to ignoring the accept queue button. You will get punished for it eventually
In turn I'll ask what evidence do you have to support your claim of needing to increase punishments for dodges?
TheHappyReaperz1 votesWhat do you mean, when a game lobby looks unwinnable? This seems like one of those, I didn't want to play X, not I'm getting trolled.
It should be a stronger punishment than losing the game, as even if you lose the game, at least you played.
The evidence I have to support an increase in punishments is the same as yours. Personal experience. Rarely, to the degree of almost never, do I deal with someone trolling in Champ Select. However, much more often I see ban timers count down to zero, people never lock in, or just straight up leave.
Magical Player1 votesWhat do you mean, when a game lobby looks unwinnable? This seems like one of those, I didn't want to play X, not I'm getting trolled.
It should be a stronger punishment than losing the game, as even if you lose the game, at least you played.
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So im punished if I dodge more than if im forced to play a losing game.......... That will never fly queue timers about 3 mins for anything under d3(always faster but lets say 3 mins) 1 dodge -3lp 6 min down time 1 loss -20 lp 20 min game time 2 dodge -10lp 60 min down time 2 loss -20 lp 20 min game time 3 dodge-10 lp 60 min down time etc etc its only the 1st dodge that is generous whatsoever https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201751844-Queue-Dodging
Would you rather play a game where people believe the game can't be won prelobby?
When i say unwinnable i mean people are doing shit in pregame lobby that would normally get reported for post game. Im not going to sit through a game in which my team before the game begins loses their shit and begins to hate eachother. These are rare occasions (once a week, if that)
AeroWaffle2 votesNot nessessarily.
Take the hypothetical situation.
Player A wants to dodge, and would have dodged if the penalty was less than what it turned into after implementing harsher punishments. So instead, they try their best to make the game seem even more hopeless in an effort to get someone else to dodge so they don't have to eat the penalty.
The harsher you make the punishments, the more likely a person is likely to try an get someone else to dodge instead of dodging themselves.
TheHappyReaperz1 votesIf you want to dodge, you will dodge, regardless of the penalty. You could make the dodging punishment a permaban, and people would still dodge. Dodging is wrong, plain and simple. There is quite literally no good reason to do it.
Magical Player1 votesIf you want to dodge, you will dodge, regardless of the penalty. You could make the dodging punishment a permaban, and people would still dodge. Dodging is wrong, plain and simple. There is quite literally no good reason to do it.
WTF a permaban for a dodge, nobody would ever dodge........
DODGE because you feel the game is unwinable, is the reason dodging exists
TheHappyReaperz1 votesDodging exists because people made it so. Its not something Riot intended to have, its something that the playerbase created.
Magical Player1 votesDodging exists because people made it so. Its not something Riot intended to have, its something that the playerbase created.
And? so what, we should punish people because they think a game is unwinable with a permaban.....
AeroWaffle1 votesSo if some players on your team are spitting out the most foul filth or claiming that they'll be intentionally feeding from square one while taking your role;
your response to a person's desire to dodge that sort of game would be, "Tough luck, not a good enough reason to dodge."?
TheHappyReaperz1 votesNo, it should be, play the game, and report that person if need be. Not just go, "Oh well", and leave.
Magical Player1 votesNo, it should be, play the game, and report that person if need be. Not just go, "Oh well", and leave.
So we're suppose to sit through a game knowing we will lose, because this way we what? Gain 80 ip...... yeah no dodge if you think a game is going to lose in lobby
TheHappyReaperz1 votesAnd that's the flippant dodge mentality. That's why dodge punishments should be increased.
Magical Player1 votesAnd that's the flippant dodge mentality. That's why dodge punishments should be increased.
What is the gain, to play a game known to be a lost cause in champ select?
TheHappyReaperz1 votesTell me, how do you know, with 100% certainty, that a game is lost before it starts?
Magical Player1 votesTell me, how do you know, with 100% certainty, that a game is lost before it starts?
I don't, what I do know 100% is that the game is not going to be fun for me to play, not worth my time. Hence I dodge and go do something more enjoyable more worth my time
TheHappyReaperz1 votesAnd ruin the game for everyone else. That is why dodging should have a greater punishment.
Magical Player3 votesAnd ruin the game for everyone else. That is why dodging should have a greater punishment.
What game..... I dodged there is no game, if i dodged
TheHappyReaperz1 votesExactly.
Magical Player1 votesNobody lost lp due to my dodge other than me..... I am being punished fairly for a dodge, increasing punishment is pointless as if it exceeds the point of playing the game, you'd see far more afks or people trying less hard for games they know are pointless to play.
And you're right there is no 100% way to say every game is winnable or loseable but if i have 4 supports on a team and the enemy team is juggernauts, im fairly confident the game will be lost
Eunson1 votesDodging 1 game is like 6min bad -3lp Dodging another is about a 60min ban -3lp Multiple dodges result in low priority queue where where you have a default 20+min queue
DoWG Whisper1 votesMost of the time people dodge being forced by some teammates, why would you punish the people who are trying to avoid the trolls?Increasing the penalty would just ruin more games, since noone would dodge anymore. And later we will see you complaining how trolls are making the game unplayable.