Is it not punishable? It is obviously against the rules but these players never get punished or banned. They don't get muted becuase they dont type anything and Riot has no one looking at games. People can run it down unpunished forever.
Can we get a player review system like CSGO's overwatch?
ModWulf Helhammer6 votesIt is obviously against the rules but these players never get punished or banned.
Yes they do.
There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago.
The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are actually intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent.
When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans.
DARCKD00M3 voteswhat a fkin bad analogy HE DIDNT RUN IT DOWN ! BOT PROGRAMS RUN IT DOWN FOR A MONTH ANDF THEY GET BANNED IN WAVES(OR SO RIOT CLAIMS) BUT WEIRD THOSE I SPOTTED ARE NOW PLAYED BY HUMANS AND MADE IT PLAT AND ABOVE! GOOD FOR A GUY WHO CONSISTENTLY FED AND LOSS ALL HIS GAMES UNITL LVL 30!
RIOT LIES AND DONT DO SHT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO INTENTIONALLY LOSE THEY ONLY BAN PEOPLE WHO USE CHAT!
WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE ALL THE LIES RIOT TELLS?!?!?
SMURFS AND TROLLS AND BOT PROGRAMS RULE THIS GAME, RIOT FAILED!
ModPrandine4 voteswhat a fkin bad analogy HE DIDNT RUN IT DOWN ! BOT PROGRAMS RUN IT DOWN FOR A MONTH ANDF THEY GET BANNED IN WAVES(OR SO RIOT CLAIMS) BUT WEIRD THOSE I SPOTTED ARE NOW PLAYED BY HUMANS AND MADE IT PLAT AND ABOVE! GOOD FOR A GUY WHO CONSISTENTLY FED AND LOSS ALL HIS GAMES UNITL LVL 30!
RIOT LIES AND DONT DO SHT AGAINST PEOPLE WHO INTENTIONALLY LOSE THEY ONLY BAN PEOPLE WHO USE CHAT!
WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE ALL THE LIES RIOT TELLS?!?!?
SMURFS AND TROLLS AND BOT PROGRAMS RULE THIS GAME, RIOT FAILED!
Oh really? Here are some examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it’s just a few examples, but it proves that they do get punished.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E4LnThmW-most-ridiculous-chat-restriction-i-have-ever-seen-in-my-life?comment=0011 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log?comment=003e https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/jFwTE8Oj-playing-off-meta-in-ranked-int-feeding-ban?comment=0039 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KTq4tjIF-i-dont-get-it-how-riot-bans-a-player-because-another-kid-draven-decides-to-take-all-the-kills https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xW5z7auF-proof-that-riot-employees-ban-without-providing-clear-evidencecertainty-of-an-infraction https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game
dAsKiLzZ2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:57:42.165+0000)
Yes they do.
There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago.
The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are actually intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent.
When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans.
I assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained. I get people in my games that give up and intentionally throw saying im done, and they never get banned. I even have clips i submit to Riot. No 14 day bans
CharDeeMcDenniz4 votesI assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained.
please PLEASE go read up on that situation, you're WAYYYYY off with your interpretation
dAsKiLzZ1 votesplease PLEASE go read up on that situation, you're WAYYYYY off with your interpretation
Please show me how im off. I would love for you to prove your statement.
CharDeeMcDenniz2 votesconsidering we had to put up with WEEKS of posts about this there is plenty of info available and I'm trying to avoid necro'ing it...
but if you insist...
many other streamers have been quoted as saying such.
check out Hotaru's post here, https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/NYE7tJKH-a-statement-about-nightblue
in particular, this
ForestWithin -
"Half of reddit unironically defending nubrac is so disgusting - the kid actively ruins every game by picking teemo support and laning top/mid. Sitting invis in the middle of lane soaking xp while bot is 2v1 hahahah. This shit isn’t revolutionizing the meta it’s 400 games 48% wr"
IreliaCarriesU -
"nubrac has been a troll since season 4, i don't know why anyone is pitying him for the ban... no one signs up to play duo mid and solo adc when they queue for ranked, its an obvious stunt and people are falling for it. if anything nightblue did the high elo community a favor"
Jensen -
"imagine having a teemo support soaking xp mid and calling it a 'off meta strat' 🤣🤣
hopefully i'll never have to experience this strat :)"
Doublelift -
"guys if I was in my promo and game 5 a teemo support ran mid and soaked xp while I got zoned 1v2 I would 100% report it no questions asked"
dAsKiLzZ1 votesconsidering we had to put up with WEEKS of posts about this there is plenty of info available and I'm trying to avoid necro'ing it...
but if you insist...
many other streamers have been quoted as saying such.
check out Hotaru's post here, https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/NYE7tJKH-a-statement-about-nightblue
in particular, this
ForestWithin -
"Half of reddit unironically defending nubrac is so disgusting - the kid actively ruins every game by picking teemo support and laning top/mid. Sitting invis in the middle of lane soaking xp while bot is 2v1 hahahah. This shit isn’t revolutionizing the meta it’s 400 games 48% wr"
IreliaCarriesU -
"nubrac has been a troll since season 4, i don't know why anyone is pitying him for the ban... no one signs up to play duo mid and solo adc when they queue for ranked, its an obvious stunt and people are falling for it. if anything nightblue did the high elo community a favor"
Jensen -
"imagine having a teemo support soaking xp mid and calling it a 'off meta strat' 🤣🤣
hopefully i'll never have to experience this strat :)"
Doublelift -
"guys if I was in my promo and game 5 a teemo support ran mid and soaked xp while I got zoned 1v2 I would 100% report it no questions asked"
Would you look at that, no proof to show that Nubrac did it on purpose to annoy people, very funny. This is just players disagreeing with his strat. Just because you disagree makes you right and him wrong? You also agreed off meta stuff is NOT against the rules. So explain how ban is justified.
Subdue5 votesWould you look at that, no proof to show that Nubrac did it on purpose to annoy people, very funny. This is just players disagreeing with his strat. Just because you disagree makes you right and him wrong? You also agreed off meta stuff is NOT against the rules. So explain how ban is justified.
Man, when you are so focused on arguing that you don't even realize your position has been reversed. You started this thread with "Why don't trolls get banned," and now you're arguing "You have no proof of trolling!"
You asked for a player review system, and now, looking at the extensive response to the Nubrac situation and what the result of player review would have been, you're arguing that the player review would be wrong...
dAsKiLzZ1 votesMan, when you are so focused on arguing that you don't even realize your position has been reversed. You started this thread with "Why don't trolls get banned," and now you're arguing "You have no proof of trolling!"
You asked for a player review system, and now, looking at the extensive response to the Nubrac situation and what the result of player review would have been, you're arguing that the player review would be wrong...
Nubrac was playing to win the game? Which im sure we can respect even if we dont agree. I can link the youtube video of a player actually trolling and its nothing like Nubrac. Players that afk, and leave lane and do nothing just to make the team lose is my point. People soft-int on purpose and refuse to help the team. Nubrac kept playing to win the whole time. Big difference
AeroWaffle3 votesI assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained.
In the Nubrac situation there was a Rioter that stated that they had been investigating him previously and finally decided on a ban because Riot believed he would deliberately attempt this tactic, knowing that it would greatly annoy and disrupt both mid and adc, when he knew there was a streamer in their game.
Off meta is fine. Off meta with the purpose of aggravating people is not. Just as it's fine to feed but not fine to feed with the intention of aggravating your own team.
dAsKiLzZ1 votesIn the Nubrac situation there was a Rioter that stated that they had been investigating him previously and finally decided on a ban because Riot believed he would deliberately attempt this tactic, knowing that it would greatly annoy and disrupt both mid and adc, when he knew there was a streamer in their game.
Off meta is fine. Off meta with the purpose of aggravating people is not. Just as it's fine to feed but not fine to feed with the intention of aggravating your own team.
Nubrac never did it to annoy teammates on purpose. Please show me a clip of where he says that
AeroWaffle2 votesNubrac never did it to annoy teammates on purpose. Please show me a clip of where he says that
I can give you a link to the statement by Riot.
I'm not going to spend time trying to dig up information when Riot already has access to far more data than me or you and has made a judgement based on the information they have. All that's left is either believing that Riot is lying with this statement or not. And I certainly believe them more than I believe you. If their data is accurate,
"However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer"
Then I accept their justification behind the punishment.
dAsKiLzZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:57:42.165+0000)
Yes they do.
There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago.
The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are actually intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent.
When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans.
Its funny how you say he was trolling, but he says he was intentionally playing to win not to lose/troll, also a Rioter said what he was doing was fine.
If you can please explain how that works.
Subdue6 votesIts funny how you say he was trolling, but he says he was intentionally playing to win not to lose/troll, also a Rioter said what he was doing was fine.
If you can please explain how that works.
What's funny is that you're asking for a player review feature and then telling everyone that their review the Nubrac case is wrong. Given that the majority of players agrees that Nubrac deserved the penalty, if we had the player review feature you're asking for, more people would be penalized for doing things you are arguing should be allowed.
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ModWulf Helhammer6 votesIf you are permanently banned, Riot does not want you to come back.
End of story.
They do not want your money. They don't want your business. They don't want anything to do with you.
They just want you gone, and a permanent ban is the way of showing that.
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Imperial Pandaa7 votesTell me a feasible way to prevent someone from making a new account. Keep in mind it needs to be legal for those under 18, as 13 is the "minimum" age req. It also needs to not cause collateral damage for shared computers.
kmada1 votes[deleted]
Imperial Pandaa4 votesYou mean the special ID ban cases? Something that only really worked because they are out in the public? The thing that only actually worked when they streamed/uploaded a video with the account name shown? Sure, there are some biometrics Riot can check, but not enough to catch all. During the appeal process, they had to inform Riot of other accounts so they could check the behavior history.
Then they become like everyone else again and were able to make a new account if desired without being ban on sight. No accounts unbanned, just the person.
ModWulf Helhammer6 votesPlease, show me this endorsement. I've never seen it, so if you can provide evidence, I'd be happy to change my comment.
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ModWulf Helhammer8 votesRiot did not continue to let him play. In fact, any account that was identified as his was instantly permanently banned.
However, once it was shown that he had actually changed his behavior, they lifted that ID Ban, and allow him to make a new account. None of his old accounts were restored.
If you can actually change, Riot has no problem with that. However, the vast majority of people who have received a permanent ban a) do not come back, and b) have no interest in reforming their behavior.
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ModWulf Helhammer6 votesHow did he prove that he had reformed.. without playing?
Because there is no way to actually flat-out prevent someone from playing a Free-to-Play game that only requires a free email address and nearly any computer to sign up and play.
Any accounts that were identified to be his were instantly banned. His behavior on those accounts was audited, and it showed signs of changes away from toxicity, and so at a certain point, his ID ban was lifted.
Not being able to stop toxic people from playing DOES NOT equal an endorsement of toxicity. I cannot stop murder from happening. Does that mean I endorse murder?
kmada2 votes[deleted]
ModWulf Helhammer7 votesEndorse (Verb) - #to express support or approval of someone or something
Again:
#Not being able to stop something DOES NOT mean they approve of that thing happening.
Endorsement requires support. Non-action from inability to prevent does not mean an endorsement has occurred.
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AeroWaffle5 votesSo if you can't beat em...??????
Wanna see how quickly I can fix the rules?
Wanna see how useless that rule is considering ID bans are not reasonably feasible for normal users?
Wow.. it's almost like the wording is deliberately vague so that the option to create and play on new accounts is still available and doesn't effect your overall ban at all.
Wow.. It's almost like the account is still banned. Even if they were to create another account they don't get back all the shit they lost on the old one.
It's also weird that there is a difference between PERM ban and ID ban..
They specifically state
So perm bans are just account closures technically, a way of saying you were so toxic you now have to start over if you want to continue to play.
ID Bans the ban for saying we don't want you to come back (but only for a year.. and only if you're not a popular streamer)
I want you to think about who has been ID banned. It's not normal users, it's only people that Riot would be able to enforce the ban even slightly.
AeroWaffle3 votesThank you for proving my point.
So now on the new account, they have to spend money to buy the champs they like.. maybe buy that sweet EXP boost so they can level faster.
When they lose all their previously purchased content and now know they can lose any progress or purchased unlockable you argue that they'll be MORE likely to to buy things?
No. That sort of logic would get laughed out of any meeting.
It's a free game that doesn't require any purchase. The only person that's responsible for making purchases on a game that they've been banned in is that person making the purchase.
The only thing a customer has to do to foil this dastardly plan is to not purchase anything from a company that already permanently banned one of their accounts. Then Riot would most certainly have lost any potential money from this person because they are not going to want to support a company that already banned them.
There are plenty of competitors to go to that offer the same gameplay style.
You only strengthened my argument....
Only if you consider that your argument wasn't laughably ridiculous to begin with.
AeroWaffle3 votesHey we agree on something lol, this reply system has completely f'd up our replies.
Should we start a new comment chain to continue this? LOL
Nah, I'm happy with your comment replying to the appropriate person.
KVbqbFsC8e2 votesTyler1's ban was lifted solely because of his massive popularity. Lets not pretend that he is some sort of reformed non-toxic player.
dAsKiLzZ2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:58:47.744+0000)
If you are permanently banned, Riot does not want you to come back.
End of story.
They do not want your money. They don't want your business. They don't want anything to do with you.
They just want you gone, and a permanent ban is the way of showing that.
have you heard of Tyler1??
MagicFlyingLlama4 votesI guess that is one way to rationalize being permed. It cant possibly be about you!
The truth is most permed players dont come back, as is intended.
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MagicFlyingLlama6 votes"everyone makes a new account, proven because i have never seen anyone playing league without making a new account after being banned"
You win the logical thought award of 2019, gg.
kmada1 votes[deleted]
MagicFlyingLlama2 votesI dont have an "argument", just starting obvious and indisputable fact. your "argument" is a sample size of two, and would be laughed out of existence basically anywhere, even if it was not completely flawed.
If that was too hard for you, i am not trying to win anything here, what you think about the matter is completely irrelevant.