With the automatic system you can walk around griefing team, take other lanes cs, run it down, anything really to make your team lose and you will not get punished if you dont type anything in chat.
GatekeeperTDS8 votesYou are not separating true griefing from things that are not griefing.
run it down
Intentionally feeding is griefing.
take other lanes cs
Full stop. Nobody owns CS, neutral monsters, turret plating, kills, or the damn Poros on the Abyss. This is not griefing.
anything really to make your team lose
And I suppose if I check your match history, you have never contributed to your team's losses, yeah?
R107 Games2 votesLet them flame instead...
FOR JUSTICE2 votesWith the automatic system you can walk around griefing team,
griefing punishment system is manual, not automated. only the chat and leaverbuster are automated.
take other lanes cs,
no one owns the gold, this isnt bannable.
run it down,
as long as it legitimately is running it down (not just running in expecting a 3v3 then your team begins to puss out) then just wait for the manual review.
anything really to make your team lose
there are things that make your team lose that arent actually griefing though, like just plain old getting outplayed and feeding.
and you will not get punished if you dont type anything in chat.
those are moderated in two seperate ways. griefing cant be automatically detected in 99% of cases, where as chat can be caught via a simple filter, which is what makes it seem like "chat is only punished". they punish both, just one is way easier to detect.
dAsKiLzZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-12T17:35:17.067+0000)
griefing punishment system is manual, not automated. only the chat and leaverbuster are automated.
no one owns the gold, this isnt bannable.
as long as it legitimately is running it down (not just running in expecting a 3v3 then your team begins to puss out) then just wait for the manual review.
there are things that make your team lose that arent actually griefing though, like just plain old getting outplayed and feeding.
those are moderated in two seperate ways. griefing cant be automatically detected in 99% of cases, where as chat can be caught via a simple filter, which is what makes it seem like "chat is only punished". they punish both, just one is way easier to detect.
You really arent understanding the point. I can take my teams gold and then not help the team win by never pushing objs, or grouping for objs. Just walking around csing never touching an obj or enemy champ
FOR JUSTICE2 votessounds like bad play more then griefing especially because regardless if a champion is present a wave will ALWAYS push the opposite way if he's farming.
ya know, the basis of split pushing.
dAsKiLzZ2 votesno one owns the gold, this isnt bannable.
go into ranked, queue up for support, take all the cs and see what happens
zPOOPz2 voteswhat would happen? NOTHING. cs belongs to NO ONE. report all you want. NOTHING will happen.
FOR JUSTICE1 votesAbsolutely nothing,
i would piss people off thats for sure, but in itself is 100% not bannable. there is no actual rule in any way shape or form saying i cant take 
support cs and build full ap.
dAsKiLzZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=000200010002,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:15:06.277+0000)
Absolutely nothing,
i would piss people off thats for sure, but in itself is 100% not bannable. there is no actual rule in any way shape or form saying i cant take
Nothing huh? I wonder why they give the cs to the adc in LCS games. I wonder what team would lose if one team had the support taking all the CS? Its almost like gold allocation really matters in MOBAs
zPOOPz2 votesThen you will want to move this thread to Game Play board. As far as the rules go, cs belongs to no one. There is ZERO rules forbidding anyone from taking cs. If you want to place this thread on the Player Behavior board, then you need to discuss the validity of the rules of taking cs. If you want to talk about the efficiency of support giving up cs, then you need to make this thread in Game Play.
FOR JUSTICE3 votesoh! you mean like the sona taric strat?
the most broken botlane duo at the time it was played in pro?
Imperial Pandaa2 votesUhhh homie, have you heard about the Sona/Taric and Sona/TK bot lanes that was happening? Maybe not be relevant since Sona nerf but still. Yes, in pro play.
Previous mentioned lane would have the bottom laner on Sona with Spellthiefs. The support would take the other (Taric/TK) and Targons. Due to how spellthiefs works, the support would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed.
dAsKiLzZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=00020001000200000002,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:28:03.611+0000)
Uhhh homie, have you heard about the Sona/Taric and Sona/TK bot lanes that was happening? Maybe not be relevant since Sona nerf but still. Yes, in pro play.
Previous mentioned lane would have the bottom laner on Sona with Spellthiefs. The support would take the other (Taric/TK) and Targons. Due to how spellthiefs works, the support would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed.
you do realise that sona takes the cs becuase she builds ap and shes the carry?
Make sure you do realise that they abuse the gold system and you did agree that the carry(sona) takes the cs
Imperial Pandaa5 votesyou do realise that sona takes the cs becuase she builds ap and shes the carry?
Did you ignore this part?
"Due to how spellthiefs works, the support(taric/tk) would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed"
So depending on the lane match up, Sona wouldn't farm until after Spellthiefs quest was completed. Which could be between 8 minites and 16 I think the latest was.
dAsKiLzZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=0002000100020000000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:36:07.999+0000)
Did you ignore this part?
"Due to how spellthiefs works, the support(taric/tk) would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed"
So depending on the lane match up, Sona wouldn't farm until after Spellthiefs quest was completed. Which could be between 8 minites and 16 I think the latest was.
Yes they split the gold and when spellthiefs is completed the carry takes ALL the cs and taric takes none. If taric kept taking all cs the strat wouldnt work nearly as well. How hard is that to understand?
Imperial Pandaa4 votesThe point was there are times where a Support taking all the farm in a thing, even in pro play.
Kei1431 votesThat's just part of the META;
Most Effective Tactic Available
How the game is thought to be played in the most effective manner has nothing to do with the punishment system.
In fact, there are times where the supports taking all the gold is the most effective tactic available, especially when the bot laner sucks.
Imperial Pandaa2 votesBest way to automate, and for all I know it might already be this way, would be to have multiple flags that can trigger if yes.
Ban Ally Hover
Unusual Summoner Spells (yes, I know that people are free to take whatever, but cleanse and ghost in combination will probably always raise eyebrows.)
1 death per minute. (This being multiple instances. 5 deaths by 5 minutes, flag. 6 deaths by 6 minutes, flag. Etc)
Building way off meta. (By which I mean AP on Zed when he has 0 ap scaling. TFT excluded.)
X deaths past enemy towers. (Needs to be greater than 1)
Some others and to trigger a punishment x amount of flags have to be present. Requiring a flag threshold should reduce the amount of false positives. Even then, this is not a fool proof system.
GatekeeperTDS2 votesBan Ally Hover
Banning an ally hover is 100% not against the rules under any circumstances. I've said this in a ton of other threads, but the pick intents mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. No matter how many times people get upset by it, the way draft queues are set up BANS COME FIRST. Period. Until Riot decides to change that, it's the way it is. Anyone can ban anything they want.
Imperial Pandaa2 votesI'm not disagreeing, but it could be used as a marker to help detect griefing. Doing it with the intention of upsetting your teammate or trying to strong arm ones way into a position.
Telephone Booth1 votesBanning an ally hover is 100% not against the rules under any circumstances. I've said this in a ton of other threads, but the pick intents mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. No matter how many times people get upset by it, the way draft queues are set up BANS COME FIRST. Period. Until Riot decides to change that, it's the way it is. Anyone can ban anything they want.
Hovering comes first though, so just saying what comes first doesnt really matter. But i so agree banning intent picks isnt bad oragainst the rules. I just dont like the arguement youre using because your intent pick comes before ban phase.
GatekeeperTDS2 votesIt's pick intent to give your allies an idea of what you might like to play. It's not an action, and takes the place of what we used to do in the olden days - "pls don't ban morg thx." We still banned whatever we wanted. What was worse back then was that the person in first pick got all the damn bans.
Telephone Booth1 votesIt's pick intent to give your allies an idea of what you might like to play. It's not an action, and takes the place of what we used to do in the olden days - "pls don't ban morg thx." We still banned whatever we wanted. What was worse back then was that the person in first pick got all the damn bans.
Yeah i remember that lol. So weird how things used to be now that we have what we have. But do you get my point at least? Like, you cant imply that its okay to ban whatever because bans come before picks. Because intent comes before bans, so if youre just going by what comes first, then intended picks come first. Idk i just realized how picky and semantical im being lol nvm. I have chronic busybody disorder.
Kei1432 votesFirst step to remove inters and griefers; properly identify them.
I would say 80% of the people you identify as griefers / inters and trolls are not actually what you think they are. Which is why they go unpunished.
PresBushDid7111 votesI would have a gm system kind of like wow. On the scoreboard would be a contact gm button. Once contacted, a GM could enter live spectator mode and if an actionable offense was found could issue a 14 or perm after game.
There could also be a strike system set up for people that abused the feature, maybe 2 strikes and you lose the ability to summon a GM for 90 days or something.
The argument against is that there are thousands of games happening at one time so what would a team of say 10 GMs do. My counter would be, any system to address would be better then none and would garner some good faith that Riot is attempting to do something.
zPOOPz1 votesThe argument against is that there are thousands of games happening at one time so what would a team of say 10 GMs do. My counter would be, any system to address would be better then none and would garner some good faith that Riot is attempting to do something.
I would argue any system that only address 10 games while ignoring the other 990 games is extremely unfair vs a system that treats all 1000 games fairly.
PresBushDid7111 votesI would argue any system that only address 10 games while ignoring the other 990 games is extremely unfair vs a system that treats all 1000 games fairly.
At any one time in NYC hundreds, if not thousands, of cars are parked illegally. However, only a handful will receive tickets/fines. Would you suggest they do nothing since the vast majority get away with it?
zPOOPz1 votesfor those unfair parking tickets? yes. I swear there was still 5 minutes on that damn meter and i was already there.
Telephone Booth1 votesYeah i dont know man. Ive never thought of a feasible solution, aside from Riot spending a millions a year to hire a team who just goes through reports all day. I doubt theyre gonna sink that kinda money into it, and it may even end up killing their company if they did. I dont know :/
