People on this forum like to point out Nubrac deserved his ban, but them im also told that CS/XP Belongs to No one!!
Whenever I queue into ranked solo in plat, i play ashe support and take the cs but everyone blames me for losing every game and saying i will get banned.
Im getting mixed reactions
Edit: I really appreciate how people take the time to downvote but not add to the discussion. Such a great community
rujitra7 votesNubrac did not just take CS/XP. Nubrac intentionally, without coordinating with his team, refused to play his assigned role of support instead playing some mix between jungle and multiple lane carry roles.
You will not get banned simply for farming as a support, assuming you are playing as a support. If you are intentionally attempting to let your lane partner die just so you can steal the kills, that may be something that would factor into a decision. Similarly, if you are attempting to tank to let your partner escape, if you are building items that have utility (ex: cc, slows, heals, armor shred, etc) then that would be a positive.
Griefing/trolling decisions in cases that are not blatantly obvious (ex: someone running it down one lane all game) are not based on one or two behaviors - the players’ behavior as a whole, through out the entire game (and many times multiple games) is evaluated and a determination is made as to whether the player is acting maliciously or not.
dAsKiLzZ1 votesNubrac did not just take CS/XP. Nubrac intentionally, without coordinating with his team, refused to play his assigned role of support instead playing some mix between jungle and multiple lane carry roles.
You will not get banned simply for farming as a support, assuming you are playing as a support. If you are intentionally attempting to let your lane partner die just so you can steal the kills, that may be something that would factor into a decision. Similarly, if you are attempting to tank to let your partner escape, if you are building items that have utility (ex: cc, slows, heals, armor shred, etc) then that would be a positive.
Griefing/trolling decisions in cases that are not blatantly obvious (ex: someone running it down one lane all game) are not based on one or two behaviors - the players’ behavior as a whole, through out the entire game (and many times multiple games) is evaluated and a determination is made as to whether the player is acting maliciously or not.
if i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong.
There is a difference between that and someone that says GG then goes afk in a side lane and lets enemy team end for free without defending objs
rujitra2 votesThe support is a bot lane role. The support does not get to decide what lane to go. Yes, I despised team builder and I don’t feel much better about the current system, but it’s arguably better than the prior method of pick order and screaming at each other in lobby to decide roles and team comp.
Further, his teammates AFKing do not change the fact that he was griefing them from the beginning of the game. And Nubrac wasn’t banned for one game - he was banned for having hundreds of reports over many games from many other players for his toxic behavior.
Julevi3 votesif i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong.
Taken from the statement of Riot on Reddit:
"Riot will not ban a player for off meta-play; full stop. If you're curious on our thoughts about off meta play you can hear it straight from Meddler here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMAAfm095tg
This player in particular popped up on our radar a few weeks ago and we decided to not take action at that time because playing Teemo in this method is not against our rules.
However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer. If you want to play off meta, we think that's great! If you want to play off meta only to spite other players and reap the negative reactions and attention from their viewers while they are streaming then we don’t consider that a good faith use of off meta play.[...]"
AeroWaffle3 votesif i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong.
There is a difference between that and someone that says GG then goes afk in a side lane and lets enemy team end for free without defending objs
Nubrac wasn't banned for one game.
dAsKiLzZ1 votesNubrac wasn't banned for one games
Can you point out the multiple games he was banned for and why?
AeroWaffle2 votesCan you point out the multiple games he was banned for and why?
Here's my reply to you in another thread.
I can give you a link to the statement by Riot. However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer. If you want to play off meta, we think that's great! If you want to play off meta only to spite other players and reap the negative reactions and attention from their viewers while they are streaming then we don’t consider that a good faith use of off meta play.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/c0m449/nightblue3_gets_his_teammate_banned_for_playing/er61hxj/)
I'm not going to spend time trying to dig up information when Riot already has access to far more data than me or you and has made a judgement based on the information they have. All that's left is either believing that Riot is lying with this statement or not. And I certainly believe them more than I believe you. If their data is accurate,
"However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer"
Then I accept their justification behind the punishment.
In that statement it says games. With an 's'. He was banned for a pattern of behavior. You're free to claim Riot is lying but that's the official stance of the justification regardless of what you believe.
dAsKiLzZ1 votesYeah "games" of him playing the roaming teemo support strat. Which is totally with riots rules of not griefing and not trolling. Again, we know he was only banned when NB3 complained. he wouldve gotten banned prior to that already since he streams all his games and was never banned because it wasn't against the rules.
AeroWaffle3 votesYeah "games" of him playing the roaming teemo support strat. Which is totally with riots rules of not griefing and not trolling. Again, we know he was only banned when NB3 complained. he wouldve gotten banned prior to that already since he streams all his games and was never banned because it wasn't against the rules.
Being the last straw before a punishment doesn't make the last straw the only contributing factor.
If you believe Riot is lying that's pretty much the end of the discussion. I believe them over you if only for the simple fact that they have access to far more information relevant to the case compared to you.
dAsKiLzZ1 votesYeah i just agreed with you it was multiple games you dont need to repeat that? I dont get your point. We know that all his games were streamed and he always did the strat no matter who was which team. Making the targeting streaming statement a lie. Its not like riot is the only company that can look at all the replays and livestreams.
Again what he is doing is not bannable
Heres some links of people playing it
rujitra2 votesThere is a difference between communicating with your teammates (or at least stopping if they express displeasure), versus what Nubrac did - refused to communicate at all, did not stop when his teammates asked him to, and targeted players who were streamers with this strategy (playing normally and cooperating with teammates in other games).
AeroWaffle2 votesYeah i just agreed with you it was multiple games you dont need to repeat that? I dont get your point. We know that all his games were streamed and he always did the strat no matter who was which team. Making the targeting streaming statement a lie. Its not like riot is the only company that can look at all the replays and livestreams.
Again what he is doing is not bannable
Heres some links of people playing it
Riot doesn't have any reason to lie about the reasoning. They've previously reversed off-meta bans before such as in the Support Singed case or the Roaming Nunu Counter-Jungle support.
The person who made that post on reddit regarding the Nubrac ban was the same person that posted this.
So yeah, I trust them more than I trust you. I've seen how Nubrac acts in some of his videos and it doesn't strike me as surprising that he would intentionally try to aggravate people. Links to people playing the strat proves nothing since that was not what he was banned for.
GatekeeperTDS5 votesEdit: I really appreciate how people take the time to downvote but not add to the discussion. Such a great community
Is anything today not going to upset you? You're spamming the board with posts and then jumping on everyone who replies to you if you don't like their replies. Ignore people you don't agree with. Ignore up/downvotes. They're meaningless.
dAsKiLzZ1 votesIs anything today not going to upset you? You're spamming the board with posts and then jumping on everyone who replies to you if you don't like their replies. Ignore people you don't agree with. Ignore up/downvotes. They're meaningless.
Then why do you reply and downvote/upvote?
GatekeeperTDS2 votesBecause that is the point of the forum.
CharDeeMcDenniz4 votesEdit: I really appreciate how people take the time to downvote but not add to the discussion. Such a great community
people can see how you've been responding all dam day to those who dont echo your nonsense and they dont want to bother engaging with you, pretty simple stuff
arowin2423 votesthe entire nubrac and nightblu3 debacle has gone on long enough, riot banned both - effectively stating that playing off-meta is allowed as long as you are coordinating with your team and/or actively trying, or winning the game. while nubrac did say what he was going to do he did not coordinate with his team afterwards.
the other statement is that community outrage against a streamer can get him in trouble - but we already knew this.
if you are planning to play off-meta in ranked communicate in champ select to solve any problems they might have with it. do none of them want you to play off-meta? then play either on-meta or pick a different champ.
if anything practice off-meta strategies with a 5-stacked blind pick game, and see how it holds up. once the strategy is found to be performing good enough to be viable and consistent, go to ranked with friends or duo, or just negotiate with your team.
That's all.
PresBushDid7113 votesNot going to downvote, but tempting as you don't seem to be looking for answers, rather just arguing position sans care for evidence.
However.
1st question, I think ashe supp taking CS might be bannable. The reason "off meta" is sometimes banned is that it puts you team at a disadvantage if they aren't made aware of it first thing in champ select. Champ picks, rune set up, etc are made with certain expectations. The "no one's CS" statement is usually in reponse to an adc complaining about a support taking ANY cs. It's a little more sketchy when the support is actively CSing (especially since some of the support starting items punish you for CS).
There's no concrete statement from Riot concerning what is bannable in terms of "off meta". They only recommend that if you think your strategy may require explanation that you do so first thing in champ select. Likewise, if you say your intentions and the team disagrees, and you still so it, this may become punishable.
Lastly, to the Nubrac situation. He didn't communicate his intentions in champ select or if he did he disregarded team feedback. Riot also found that his "off meta" picks had a high correlation to if a streamer was present in game. If one was, he tended to do "off meta".
The noncordination, coupled with the attention seeking attempts to rile up streamers, is what lead to punishment.
Edit: Should have read further as others covered Nubrac.
Telephone Booth2 votesPerhaps people downvote without commenting, because a different comment already covered it. They dont wanna just echo points that are already made, and instead just upvote the points they like, and downvote the ones they dont. I dont see anything wrong with that.
Kei1432 votesYou are getting downvoted cos your arguement is long over due.
You also don't have your facts rights.
Go through all the Nubrac vs NB3 threads and see why Riot punished Nubrac.
TrulyBland1 votesWhen it comes to gameplay offenses, what it ultimately always comes down to is: Why did you do what you did?
Even intentionally dying can be okay... if you are doing it in good faith, e.g. by intercepting a projectile to save a more valuable member of the team. Inversely, however, pretty much everything is bannable if it is not done in good faith and instead is only done to incite negative reactions.
It's not hypocritical to say that it's not inherently against the rules to die 15 times in a game, while still demanding punishment for intentional feeders. Likewise it isn't hypocritical to say that nothing Nubrac did ingame was inherently against the rules, while still holding the opinion that he deserved punishment.
