Let me know when

HotFries 420·Jun 18, 2016·1 votes·535 views

Hey Riot, Let me know when you insta ban 3ed party app users and get a handle on this boosting smurf bs. Until then I'm sure I'm not the first or last player to find something more constructive or at least fair to do with his spare time. Thanks for letting your game go down hill so fast. Maybe I'll do something positive in my life now besides being pissed off because I was cheated out of a win. I mean the least you could do is give us a loss forgiven when you find a scripter and we've lost a game because of it. Ever think of that? No, course not. Oh well... Have fun being lame and throwing up legal crap when people ask for a refund because it's unfair and unplayable as intended, as well. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, and it's about to be too late.

P.S. Thanks ahead of time all you scripters for the hate and reports I'm sure you will flame at me.

4 Comments

Nik NikersonJun 18, 20161 votes

How often are you running into scripters?

HotFries 420Jun 18, 20161 votes

Every game just about. Sometimes they just have auto smite on or orb walker and no evade. Sometimes evade and no orb walker. Sometimes they don't use it until a team fight. Sometimes they go full retard and use orb walker, evade, and just walk around the entire game with the combo button pressed. Most people can't tell they are scripting though. They just think they are a smurf or just really good. However, no one should have to worry or care about these things. Riot should instantly ban script and macro users as it gives an unfair advantage and is not allowed according to their rules. Scripts send 100+ packets a second to the games servers. That's like clicking your mouse 100+ times a second. Im sure they could dectet that if they really wanted to.

Scary DoorJun 18, 20162 votes

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Every game just about. Sometimes they just have auto smite on or orb walker and no evade. Sometimes evade and no orb walker. Sometimes they don't use it until a team fight. Sometimes they go full retard and use orb walker, evade, and just walk around the entire game with the combo button pressed. Most people can't tell they are scripting though. They just think they are a smurf or just really good. However, no one should have to worry or care about these things. Riot should instantly ban script and macro users as it gives an unfair advantage and is not allowed according to their rules. Scripts send 100+ packets a second to the games servers. That's like clicking your mouse 100+ times a second. Im sure they could dectet that if they really wanted to.

A few points here.

Cheaters make up a VERY small minority of any gaming community. Most companies report cheaters (in this case those that use third party programs to gain an advantage of some kind) at (or under) 0.1% of their player base. So it is unlikely you encounter them every game. Even if we count "bots" into the equation in League, it's still an incredibly small number compared to the player base as a whole. Most botters use virtual machines and run literally dozens of instances of their botting programs at a time through VPNs so that they are less obvious to the system. In any case... it's a fraction of a percentage of the total amount of people that play the game.
With the awareness of cheaters comes the paranoia of cheaters. Many people that play online games will NEVER encounter a cheater, but lots of people will call out individuals for cheating. Play a 'first-person-shooter' style game some time. The moment anyone gets a head-shot the accusations of cheating begin to fly. Not to say that you shouldn't EVER be suspicious, but always remember the golden rule of gaming (and life): No matter what you do and how good you are someone is always better. People get outplayed all the time in League and some accept it, others find excuses like "lag", "my keyboard isn't working right", etc ... some accuse the player of cheating. I often say that there's never been a legitimate death in League because people seem to always have an excuse.

Again, this isn't to say that you won't ever find a cheater, but paranoia is often your worst enemy.

Why can't Riot (or any company) insta-ban cheaters?

The obvious answer is that they CAN, but chose not to because then the creators of these programs could find out exactly how they detect the software and work around it. Delayed bans are a much more effective way to keep authors of these programs guessing as to how their tools were detected.

Detection of cheats isn't as easy as you think.

Like any craft, there are varying levels of hackers... some are mediocre, others good, and a few are insanely savvy. You mention sending packets to the server... well ... many cheat authors limit their data that they send to the server so that it's harder to recognize the patterns and even randomize the amount of data that is sent so it is nearly impossible to know when someone is hacking.

There are also different ways in which tools interact with various games, some are easily detected, others are subtle and can, in fact, use the anti-cheat itself to bypass the anti-cheat... sounds crazy but it happens.

The old adage is that it's a cat-and-mouse game. No piece of software is unhackable, never will be.

Also, it's hard to just ban people for suspicious behavior even if the data seems funny because you always want to err on the side of caution as a game developer. Again, despite what some game companies seem to indicate, false positives happen! People are wrongfully banned sometimes. On the old forums I remember a case where someone was banned for cheating but had recorded EVERY game which ultimately proved their innocence.

No system is 100% accurate - whether it's a punishment system for toxicity or a hack detection system.

HotFries 420Aug 5, 20162 votes

Sorry for the late reply. I just loged in because I got an email saying I tried to make changes to my account, but I didn't. I appricate the time you took to write your reply and it makes allot of sense. Thanks.