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League Players Get Offended Way Too Easily

Jayce Top··1 votes·390 views

Often when I play ranked, I will tell my team mates to do something simple such as, ward this brush, get a sweeper, stop face checking. Yet a lot of the times i have noticed that I get responses such as, "Jayce youre so toxic, mute", even though I was just giving out a tip.

Examples:

Me: "Mid I need ward top river please" Mid: (Doesnt ward top river brush, still sitting on 2 wards) Game: Enemy junglers comes through red jungle, behind my lane and kills me Me: "Mid thats why I need wards top side river to prevent that" Mid: "Muted"

Me: Janna stop risking your life to ward their jungle Janna: dies in enemy jungle Me: Please Janna we dont need offensive wards when we're behind Janna: /all Report Jayce hes so toxic omg

Theres a lot more examples i can provide, and yes both these happened within the past few games. I dont get why people think advice is considered toxic in this game. I am just trying to help you be a better player by fixing your mistakes.

15 Comments

AraMoOse8 votes

Friendly reminder that the statements "The community is too weak for my comments" and "my comments are too harsh for the community" are logically equivalent.

Additional friendly reminder that if the problem is everyone except for you, then the problem is you.

ModUlanopo4 votes

I dont get why people think advice is considered toxic in this game. I am just trying to help you be a better player by fixing your mistakes.

Mostly because no one hired you to be their coach.

Milodic Mellodi1 votes

Mostly because no one hired you to be their coach.

Not wrong, but that is a bit harsh of a criticism. You could've worded it better, imho.

ModUlanopo1 votes

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Not wrong, but that is a bit harsh of a criticism. You could've worded it better, imho.

It was intended to mirror the way the OP speaks to his/her teammates.

Jayce Top1 votes

People like you are the reason why people stay behind their entire lives. You refuse to help others and refuse to accept help. You believe in your own little world and think your way is the best way.

Nobody hired me to be their coach, but that does not mean you cant be at least grateful that someone is trying to make you fix your errors. If you just ignore your mistakes, you will never fix them.

ModUlanopo2 votes

I looked up your account on op.gg. You're in Plat 3. At that tier, it's safe to assume your teammates aren't complete idiots, but the way you speak to them implies you think they are.

Take the Janna example. Maybe they were trying something risky. Maybe they just lost focus for a minute and made a poor decision. By speaking to them in that way, you've pretty much insured they won't listen to you. It's situations like this where communication is an undervalued skill. It would be better to have found a way to get them involved in doing something positive rather than harping on the negative.

This is why a lot of people are stuck in silver, by the way. They have the mechanical skills, but lack the ability to communicate effectively.

Jayce Top1 votes

You're in Plat 3. At that tier, it's safe to assume your teammates aren't complete idiots, but the way you speak to them implies you think they are.

Just because you're in plat, doesnt mean there arent bad player. There are people who bought their accounts, havent played in a long time, only play 3 times a week, or just are having a bad game. Me telling someone to stop risking their life for a simple ward that could be solved by warding the river instead doesnt mean i think theyre idiotic.

Take the Janna example. Maybe they were trying something risky. Maybe they just lost focus for a minute and made a poor decision.

The first time they do it, I ignore it and dont say anything. The second time they do it, I suggest them to stop doing it. The third time they do it and yet again still die, is when it starts sounding negative because theyre clearly not listening.

This is why a lot of people are stuck in silver, by the way. They have the mechanical skills, but lack the ability to communicate effectively.

As a player who has 9 different accounts that have all went from Unranked to plat+, the reason why silver players are stuck in silver, is because theyre bad at warding and farming. Communication is more effective in plat+ because people pay attention to a lot more things. You can ping MIA 5 times and your team mate will still flame you in silver because he didnt see the MIA ping. Most players in Plat+ dont even have to ping MIA because they look at their map and see where everyone is.

Silver players average about 5.6 cs a minute while a plat player will average 7-8 cs/m. Silver players dont ward in the correct spots, dont look at map, and dont know how to counter enemies with items. They build the same build every game, that is why they are stuck in silver. I have been in silver 9 times, and those are the mistakes I see in that elo every time i was in it.

ModUlanopo2 votes

You're still missing the point: How you say things (and whether you say them at all) is just as important as what you say. The things you describe in your OP go beyond shot calling and venture into micromanagement. People don't like being told what to do and trying to force the issue only results in problems, as you have discovered.

You might want to consider how angry and frustrated you are right now at someone simply telling you you're doing it wrong. That kind of knee-jerk reaction is why people don't respond the way you want them to.

Chermorg2 votes

I tend to agree with you but here I must disagree - OP asked why those were reportable, and in my opinion they aren't. Granted, nobody hired OP to be his coach, but one facet of the Summoners Code is helping other players learn how to play better.

OP isn't doing it in the 100% most positive way, but he's not overly negative with it either.

Chermorg2 votes

In that first example, you are a little passive aggressive, but heck you wouldn't get punished for the occasional comment like that.

In the second, you weren't really negative at all.

I doubt you were punished for these logs, but if you were please post your logs so we can identify if there's anything else in them. Also, remember that Janna/mid can report you all they want, but you don't run the risk of being punished if you're playing normally and not being overly negative. And, in fact, if they're acting negative in response to your slightly-less-than-neutral-but-still-pretty-neutral advice, then you can report them.

Jayce Top1 votes

I wasnt punished for either of these, those are just reactions I get for trying to make those players see the importance of good warding and preventing their deaths.

Chermorg1 votes

Ah, then I doubt you'd get punished for them. Just don't make it a habit of trying to coach them all game. Offering friendly advice is okay, even pointing out why something would have helped, as long as you don't make a large portion of the game about criticizing their past actions.

Jayce Top1 votes

I rarely do it, the only time I do give advice is when they either repeatedly make the mistake in a single game, or when I need mid to ward top river brush to prevent ganks.

Chermorg1 votes

I will just add one last thing - as others have said, you're welcome to give polite advice and constructive criticism, but make sure that if the person isn't accepting it or wants you to stop, that you do. It's great to try and help people out, but if they're going to be stubbornheaded, don't be the preacher following them down the street telling them they've sinned and are going to hell. You just look like an ass then :)

Best of luck to you!

zPOOPz1 votes

If they are not willing to take the advice (as is their right to do so), they did the right thing and mute you instead of getting tilted by being pointed out their mistake(s) and start a flame war.

Yes, it is nice to give people advice. No, people can choose to follow it or not. You are not their coach or their teacher. You are on similar MMR as them.

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