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Sheø··2 votes·2,469 views

almost before 3 weeks i got suspended for 14 days because i joined a game (Odyssey) mode.. the rest was a premade of 4.. they wanted to do mission with 2 augments.. told them from pick screen i don't need that quest but the one with 3 augments.. so, we joined the game.. they could surrender easily (cause i would 100% press yes if they ff) and go onto the next one or find a 5th premade so they can do whatever quests they wanted to do.. the fact is i was clear to them from pick screen.. but what did they do? they prefered right after we joined the game start all flaming at me, wishing me cancers (note that i've lost 3 members from that sickness) & slaughter to my family.. that triggered me in a very bad way.. so we were 2 groups.. one of a solo guy and another of 4 premades flaming at eatch other.. someone will say that you could mute them.. ofc i could.. like i did with countless other kids like them.. maybe it just happened to wake up in a bad mood? the fact i've lost members cause of that sickness triggered me badly that day.. i accepted my punishment and waited patiently for the suspend to go off.. before couple of minutes i joined a ranked game with 2 duos.. camille at top with our jungler zac, vayne adc with our mid irelia.. enemy jungler kayen literally got his sleeping bag at bot and dived us all the time.. camille started flaming at us nonstop (zac also but this game didn't talk too much so he is not much of an issue), so i told her "shut your mouth garbage.. this is why i hate duos" and then asked on /all chat from enemies to report camille for flame.. ps: kayen before we write on /all chat praised me and vayne.. he said to our team to honor us, because we deserve it.. maybe cause we stayed cool and didn't flame.. also said that we are unlucky to have those teammates.. so i wonder if it's fair to get perma banned on a account, which i've spend so much time & money on it since season 2, because i told to a nonstop flamer "shut up garbage"?

72 Comments

Bansheenoir2 votes

Too bad.

Riot doesn't care. It's about aggressors not about the situation. Crime is a crime. Grow thick-skin according to Rito. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Sheø2 votes

Riot games.. where you get perma banned cause you get reported by a flamer for flame . lmao

ModThe Djinn6 votes

{quoted}Riot games.. where you get perma banned cause you get reported by a flamer for flame . lmao

Not really. You got reported by a flamer, yes. But you DID flame another player. Just because the person reporting you ALSO violated the rules doesn't give YOU a free pass. Who reports you has nothing to do with anything -- whether or not your behavior violates the rules DOES matter. If you reported THEM, they'll be in the same boat.

Bansheenoir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=udHI75gB,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-10-15T19:19:29.858+0000)

Not really. You got reported by a flamer, yes. But you DID flame another player. Just because the person reporting you ALSO violated the rules doesn't give YOU a free pass. Who reports you has nothing to do with anything -- whether or not your behavior violates the rules DOES matter. If you reported THEM, they'll be in the same boat.

Tell me Djinn, how are players suppose to keep cool and remain honorable when they get cusses every game from different players. I mean it piles up and even the most honorable players break. I've seen more toxic players in season 8 than season 4+5+6+7. LOL

Then again, toxic is bad xd

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}Tell me Djinn, how are players suppose to keep cool and remain honorable when they get cusses every game from different players.

It varies from player to player, so I'm not sure what works for me would work for you or others. The best advice I can offer is learn to mute, learn to ignore, learn to deescalate, and learn to have fun in a losing game.

I mean it piles up and even the most honorable players break.

I haven't, in a little over 8 seasons.

I've seen more toxic players in season 8 than season 4+5+6+7. LOL

And I've had the opposite experience, which suggests to me that something in our in-game actions may be causing us to experience different things.

Sheø2 votes

It differs from region to region.. and i totally agree with Bansheenoir.. the level of flamers increasing in each season.. and let me say something else.. if riot really did her job why we keep seeing so many flamers each game? players don't know that but people wont get perma banned if they don't happen to get reported by 4 premades like i was.. if you go solo and report players little affect it will have

ModThe Djinn5 votes

{quoted}players don't know that but people wont get perma banned if they don't happen to get reported by 4 premades like i was.. if you go solo and report players little affect it will have

1 report has just as much strength as 9. Any reports after 1 are pointless.

Sheø1 votes

Nope.. they don't

Scuttle2 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/ZGEFLEUQ/d/9VrUtrJo?comment=000000000002

Multiple reports do NOT increase the likelihood of flagging a game for review. One report is all it takes. There is no benefit to asking for others to report a player.

Sheø1 votes

This is riot's saying.. with all those flamers i've seen in my games which obviously i reported every single one of them with a fine message on my reports which i eplained everytime what happened on game i should have plenty ofFEEDBACKS.. not just 10 over 6 seasons.. those few feedbacks i had over these years it must be from EXTREME occasions which in the end they got suspended or perma banned.. the fact is that i know a guy who constantly flames, feeds in every game like 0/20 with full troll builds which would 99% of the community assume he is inting.. stays afk, etc but never gets banned? this is why i stopped believing that riot really does her job and i lost faith on those solo reports.. the only ones that work are from 4 premades

Scuttle2 votes

Anyone here will tell you feedback is not guaranteed when your report contributes to a punishment.

You have no idea who gets punished or not, so don't act like nobody gets punished. They do.

Sheø1 votes

Riot doesn't reveal the names of the punished, etc.. but when they do, you get a feedback.. that's what you don't get

zPOOPz3 votes

you don't get feedback 100% of the time (I suspect not even 50%). that's what you don't get.

zPOOPz7 votes

/mute

I've played since season 3 with probably over 3000 combined games. I don't feel this pile up you are talking about. Obviously I've seen many, many, many trolls of all kinds (afk, int, flamers, etc.)

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

I'll echo Djinn's thoughts.

I've been playing since season 2 and I have never been warned for my behavior. Not even once.

Yeah, I understand the temptation to flame back, but I know the price, and its simply not worth paying. That's my advice to everyone; you should care more about your account than the random flamer on your team. If you don't, you might lose your account. I know it isn't always easy, but it is simple.

Sheø1 votes

What about making a system which makes reports from flamers who did flame first in chat invalid? you know what i mean? if you are a flamer you have no right to make a report.. if you not gonna ban them properly, then at least make their reports, since they flamed first, to have 0 value.. that would solve some stuff

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

No, I don't think that makes any sense.

It's bad for the game to allow people to flame. A system that makes exceptions has more opportunity to be misinterpreted. What constitutes flaming? When has someone gone too far over the line that you are justified in talking back?

The mature response is to mute and report. Riot shouldn't be expected to sanction your retaliation. It wouldn't solve anything to have a system like that; you'd just have a bunch of flamers claiming that they were justified in flaming, and it would amplify the problem.

No one likes getting banned. The current system incentivizes you to shape up. If you don't, you get banned. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem. There's not a lot of grey area here.

Sheø1 votes

If you are a flamer and flame first, you deserve to even be flamed in game, have no right to report back, and get perma bannned ofc with the first case... not after 124651465114014514516451 reports from solo reports.. THAT makes a lot of sense

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

If you're a flamer and you flame first, people can just report you and get you banned. That's a much more effective punishment that pouring fuel on the fire. We don't need more punishment for flamers. We have plenty of that.

And I think your case is proof that it doesn't take that many reports to end up with a perma. When ppl use the report function correctly, it takes people out of the game quickly.

Sheø1 votes

I got suspended cause of 4 premades who flamed the fuck outta me.. irony, isn't it? and i got perma banned cause my acc was suspended previously.. does my suggestion of a good system bothers you that much?

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I just don't see why it's better than what we already have. I don't think the majority of players want a system that allows even more flaming than what we already have.

Despite your claim, you got banned because you flamed back. I get flamed all the time, and I've never been punished. It's not strictly correct to say that getting flamed gets you banned. Otherwise, I would be banned :)

It's flaming back that gets you banned. That's the honest truth. And all the not banned players are proof that you don't have to flame them back.

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

Easy. There's this button that players with self-control use. We like to call it the "mute" function. This mute function is something that most players with common sense use. The players who have no common sense, lack maturity or have no self-control end up getting banned.

Quite simple really. Why getting honor 5 is a breeze for mature players. And why bans are a breeze for immature toxic players.

Riot prefers the mature ones and more than willing to get rid of any toxic player.

Sheø1 votes

If my acc wasn't banned right now i would show you my honor lvl5 ward skin :')

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

Got that too. Honorable players can keep their accounts for an extremely long time. Honor rewards, Beta skins, Limited Skins, and all the goodies. Riot gives us a lot. I got my King Rammus, Black Alister, UFO Corki, Judgement Kayle, 5 Victiorus skins, and stuff for being positive. My positivity ingames let me keep everything I've earned in 10 years of playing this game.

It's worth following the rules. Feels even better when you're rewarded for it.

Sheø1 votes

I've been rewarded many many times.. but it looks like for riot if you "break up" like the human being you are for once.. you get punished for it.. as i said if my acc wasn't banned right now i would show you all those rewards you talking about.. i even got the baron icon :')

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

I never had issues with Riot. Ever. I've been punished once, and I learned from it. It was a chat restriction back in 2011. After that, I just simply knew players are not worth losing your account over. If someone can't control their attitude then they have no place here. That's why the permaban exist. Riot roots out players who cannot control themselves and get rid of their accounts. All about having responsibility for your actions. That's not Riot's responsibility nor anyone else. Just your's.

Sheø1 votes

wowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowow................................................ hold up a second man.. riot gets rid of their accounts? but there is no game in which at least 1 person doesn't flame.. then why are we still with plenty of players? we don't even get to wait long enough on queues and we find available players? if riot did as you said now we would spend like 3 hours AT LEAST to find 10 players required for a match man........ :')

Zombie Gerbil1 votes

I get plenty of games where people don't flame. I befriend non-flamers. I do get some flamers, but I never have to deal with people flaming me. They get muted after their first attempt. I always report the players who flames me even once. I simply don't tolerate it and I don't do it myself.

Not true at all. A lot of people get banned every single hour. League of Legends just has one of the most populated player-base in the world. Finding a match is a breeze.

Sheø1 votes

Not true at all.. it's just that every player has 5-10 accounts registered.. and riot thinks she has one of the most populated games in the world.. it's almost a laughable joke.. and no.. they don't get banned because it happens to know a guy who flames constantly, feeds like 0/20 in every game with troll builds which many would assume he is inting, afk, etc.. but never gets banned.. this is why i don't believe a single word from riot.. the only way to get banned is being reported by 4 premades

Zombie Gerbil2 votes

None of that is true. Period. Sorry. No negativity gets a free pass. I see trolls banned every day.

But you can think what you want. I am not here to convince you of anything nor am I going to debate it with you. Simply saying how it is. What you do with it, well that's on you.

Riot is doing a great job and I will continue to support them. So will their large popular player-base. 10 years of playing this game and it never died out. It only dies for the players who lack self-control and they don't even belong here. That's why they get banned.

Anyways, we're done here.

Good day.

Sheø1 votes

You see trolls banned every day you say? how? :')

Voldymort1 votes

Become a regular on these boards and you will too ;)

Voldymort1 votes

Become a regular on these boards and you will see them too ;)

Sheø2 votes

A free pass you said? what you mean by "free pass"? free pass for what?.. i just told to a guy who was nonstop flaming 2 random guys to shut up.. yeah called him a garbage.. is that enough of a reason to be perma banned? a guy called my mother a whore.. i screenshotted him and send 5-6 messages to riot which they never replied me on.. this is what riot is..

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}yeah called him a garbage.. is that enough of a reason to be perma banned?

If you had previously had a 14-day ban and thus your last chance to show behavioral reform, yes.

a guy called my mother a whore.. i screenshotted him and send 5-6 messages to riot which they never replied me on.. this is what riot is..

His behavior is flat-out unacceptable, yes. If you reported him then the system will analyze his behavior and take appropriate action based on his behavioral history.

Riot also will not tell you the actions it does or doesn't take on another player due to account privacy. It can be frustrating, but rest assured that they WILL see the ticket. They will just not be able to respond with what actions were taken.

Sheø1 votes

They could respond like "thank you for your feedback, have a nice day sir!" so i can know that i am not completely ignored... NO? so i am 100% ignored

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}

They could respond like "thank you for your feedback, have a nice day sir!" so i can know that i am not completely ignored... NO? so i am 100% ignored

If they haven't given ANY response then they probably just haven't gotten to that ticket yet. They always respond, to my knowledge.

Sheø1 votes

Guess what.. it's been a week :')

LeftyRaydy2 votes

you know I am not a fan of this argument. its like telling someone just because someone shot you don't shoot back because you dont want to break the law as well.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}

you know I am not a fan of this argument. its like telling someone just because someone shot you don't shoot back because you dont want to break the law as well.

Self defense is always a different issue, because you are physically in danger. The parallel doesn't work to verbal offense on an online game with a mute button. The closer parallel would be "someone is shouting at you in a movie theater," where shouting back will get you both kicked out.

Sheø1 votes

I love how riot defense herself man... i really do... whatever you say is pointless.. your words have 0 value.. as i explained to another guy here above.. it happens to know a guy who flames constantly, feeds in every game like 0/20, which many would assume he is doing it in purpose having in every game so negative scores with awful builds, stay afk. etc but he never gets banned.. since i know this guy and see him online everytime playing without a punishment i wont believe a single word from riot's mouth.. since this guy is playing normally like everyday, whatever you say has a value below than 0

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}it happens to know a guy who flames constantly, feeds in every game like 0/20, which many would assume he is doing it in purpose having in every game so negative scores with awful builds, stay afk. etc but he never gets banned.. since i know this guy and see him online everytime playing without a punishment i wont believe a single word from riot's mouth.. since this guy is playing normally like everyday, whatever you say has a value below than 0

I'm definitely not saying the system is perfect, nor will you find me ever saying that. A few exceptions do not, however, invalidate the general effectiveness of the system.

Sheø1 votes

I see now you reply with a more "quite tone".... so, now the system is not perfect huh? a guy who constantly violates the rules but doesn't get banned? and he has 2 accounts LMAO

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}

I see now you reply with a more "quite tone".... so, now the system is not perfect huh? a guy who constantly violates the rules but doesn't get banned? and he has 2 accounts LMAO

Please find me one instance where I say it is perfect. I readily admit it has flaws. They're just not as prevalent or as consistent as some people like to think.

Sheø1 votes

After i told you i have this "trap card" you literally changed your words.. before that you guys were telling me "1 report has as much strenght as 9 reports, they always get banned, etc etc etc"....... i will give you another case.. there was that guy who afked, flamed and inted our game.. i at least reported him and graves from enemy team, but i suppose his report didn't count cause that guy didn't flame on /all chat but only in team chat.. so, after game i report him and add him.. he accepted and then i saw him going onto next game like a boss.. he also had on his pm written "FUUUUUUUUCK ARABS".. i made a post about him.. rioters saw it.. guess what.. he was still playing like a boss.. before you go blubbering put that brain in use first..

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}before that you guys were telling me "1 report has as much strenght as 9 reports...

That is true.

they always get banned...

This is almost always true.

he was still playing like a boss.

The system is not always instant, nor always perfect, nor is every punishment a ban. Some behaviors are not swiftly caught and escalated to a 14-day ban or permanent ban, but it's still possible that the individual in question received a chat restriction or points towards a future punishment.

before you go blubbering put that brain in use first..

Friendly reminder to be civil on the board. I am neither blubbering nor an idiot. I am merely telling you things about the system you can choose to believe or not as you see fit. Your belief either way does not ultimately change how the system works, alter its general reliability, or impact the times when it fails to do its job.

LeftyRaydy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=udHI75gB,comment-id=00010000000100020001,timestamp=2018-10-15T20:43:08.668+0000)

Self defense is always a different issue, because you are physically in danger. The parallel doesn't work to verbal offense on an online game with a mute button. The closer parallel would be "someone is shouting at you in a movie theater," where shouting back will get you both kicked out.

I love the movie theater reference always comes up. Ok so If someone has mental/self worth issues would they not be at risk as well and would you not want to defend yourself if someone is constantly flaming you. the ego bruisers deeper than the flesh and I am going to tell you if someone was telling you to kill youself, that your dumb, trolling you (idk throwing popcorn at you), or anything else in a movie theater that you would not sit there and take it, and I am sure the people around you would/should back you up. There is a difference between starting something and talking back while I again have never been even chat restricted in years of playing just the other day in a game my jungler was upset because I did not react quick enough (i was surpressing the enemy mid laner so he could not join that fight I knew we would lose 2 v 2). He kept going on and on and I said nothing until he was ike GG thanks to our mid we lose the game. I told him Shut the hell up. thats it he then said something in all chat saying our mid costs us the game to which the enemy jungler told him to shut up and stop crying. he did and guess what we won that game and he said nothing else to me or anyone else and the only other thing I said was a quote from him "gg thanks to our mid" at the end of the game. Does Shut the hell up count as flaming?

I am not a flamer people make mistakes, but it is annoying to see the chat flooded with irrelevant information and then going into all chat is the worst thing. Like if your team barely cares why would they? The point I am trying to make is why even deal with that all game if you tell the person once you don't want to hear their shit and neither does the enemy then they will learn no one cares at all and thus their flaming is just a moot point. I am not saying to tell people to go kill themselves I am saying to tell these people that their complaining is worthless.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}I love the movie theater reference always comes up.

Same! I believe I started it, actually. Can't confirm it, but I've been using it for years.

Ok so If someone has mental/self worth issues would they not be at risk as well and would you not want to defend yourself if someone is constantly flaming you.

The mute button is a perfect defense for this, as is defense that is actually defense rather than a counter-attack. Neither of those will get you punished. No amount of "Yeah, I'm just having a bad day and am playing League to relax. Sorry I'm not doing so well this game, but I'm trying my best. Muting you now." will get you punished.

...and I am going to tell you if someone was telling you to kill youself, that your dumb, trolling you (idk throwing popcorn at you), or anything else in a movie theater that you would not sit there and take it, and I am sure the people around you would/should back you up.

It's happened to me before -- not at a movie theater, but in a similar venue. I asked the fellow politely to stop once, a bit more aggressively once, and then quietly addressed the issue with management without making a scene when that failed to solve the problem. He was removed promptly, and I suffered no fallout as a result. HAD I made a scene myself, however, I'd have absolutely faced some sort of consequence, even if just a warning.

Does Shut the hell up count as flaming?

Once? No. Multiple times? Debatable. Multiple times over multiple games? Now it's a habit that may be a problem. Really I'd need to see the chat log. A lot of stuff is okay in small amounts but not in large amounts.

LeftyRaydy1 votes

Fair enough if we can agree to tell someone the shut up and play the game once and it doesnt count as flaming I can live with that.

Sheø1 votes

League of legends.. where you can get perma banned for telling to a guy who constantly flames you to shut up... because if you tell him twice to shut up, it becomes an issue.. ok... i told him also garbage, only once, and then proceed on /all chat to ask from enemies to report camille for nonstop flame.. that single word "garbage" perma banned my account.. WOW

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