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At what point in chat policing is Riot going to draw the line on discipline?

Eternitas··2 votes·721 views

It feels like Riot doesn't even expect players to be human anymore.

  1. They've begun only showing your own conversations, out of context with the conversation they are part of.
  2. The discipline is being enacted for some of the most mildly frustrated text I have ever had thrown back in my face.
  3. They aren't treating players like spenders. I understand spenders shouldn't get special consideration, but they have set their thresholds of what is considered "safe chat" so low, that even the most tolerant of humans get caught in the net, which means almost all spenders will be vulnerable too.

I'm going to show you an example (like so many other frustrated posts here, and let you actually read what I'm talking about). I feel like I'm being reported basically for being able to predict a game's outcome before it's begun, suggesting what the team needs to accomplish to win if they want to turn that around, and asking the other team to keep in mind reporting someone who is int feeding.

Game 1 Illabethe: i seriously doubt we'll win Illabethe: 5 sustain on their team and strong combos Illabethe: need grievous wounds or team fights will be so lopsided you die in 3 sec and they all alive Illabethe: season resets are a bish Illabethe: adcs that dont leash are a bish Illabethe: yi has something called meditate.... Illabethe: report jhin Illabethe: troll account trying to push lag excuse Illabethe: lol I'm objective and I know what your team can do. Illabethe: literally every person on team is a sustain champ that yasuo cant block Illabethe: so why'd you autolock yasuo Illabethe: can't block darius, karma's W, Illabethe: i'm not why you're feeding Illabethe: look Illabethe: closer to home Illabethe: because I'm the one whose 0/5 or 1/5 Illabethe: actually.... the one being negative is you. Illabethe: I just stated matter of fact they have powerful synergies who 90% chance of win Illabethe: i know where he lands after Q Illabethe: why would anyone ff in ranked Illabethe: dont ping me Illabethe: you stood in root Illabethe: still no grievous wounds Illabethe: still no mag resist Illabethe: we cant Illabethe: gg Illabethe: nub asses dont even see yi pushing base Illabethe: he's unkillable because of you Illabethe: and the fact you have 0 reisst and 0 grievous wounds Illabethe: love when feeders call others toxic Illabethe: you have no room to talk with how you play Illabethe: he's getting stopped by me Illabethe: sigh Illabethe: KILL th emob

Game 1: Had a Yasuo choose Yasuo into Swain, and then dive him about 6 times in a row as soon as he got to lane. The swain was able to 1v5 by the time the game was even remotely to a team stage, and Jhin bot was flashing a 450 fps, but moving and farming normally, but also was feeding his lane. Long story short: Everyone on their team had significant life sustaining abilities. Not a single person on my team ended game with an Executioner blade, Morellonomicon, or Mortal reminder, or Ignite. Before the 10 minute mark, the score was something like 4 kills to 24 kills. I had 0 deaths, and ended game something like 2/4/16 as support. Yasuo and Jhin ended game with 13-16 deaths, and 2 kills, resulting from my plays.

Game 2 Illabethe: ... Illabethe: i can tank Illabethe: wtf malph Illabethe: you just gave your turret for free Illabethe: sigh Illabethe: ty malph Illabethe: for turning an easy game into a hard one Illabethe: gg. Illabethe: malph = freelo Illabethe: pls report malph Illabethe: omfg nami didnt get the hint to get out Illabethe: just finish Illabethe: they dont want to win Illabethe: doesnt matter. we cant get it Illabethe: gg you dont deserve it Illabethe: nah. got trolled by malph Illabethe: he literally gift wrapped top and went mid and fed darius Illabethe: ori didnt feed Illabethe: turrets/objectives Illabethe: are feeding

A no cs malph left his lane at level 5 to go roam map for without accomplishing anything, leaving top turret completely accessible to 100% health to 0% loss. This gave a carry top a huge map presence gain, extra gold, and put malph out of the game. Malph proceeded to feed about 0/5 while running around game, putting lanes we were winning into losing territory, and ended game with something like 65 cs. By Leaving his lane he put a Darius into play where he could take advantage of our team and begin snowballing. Game ended roughly 9 minutes after because the snowball became one sided, even though all other lanes were winning. The nami comment was due to me seeing a nami in point blank range of darius, and I went in with Leona, stunned him twice to save her, only to have her get EVEN closer to him, with about 100 hp, feed his ult, and start what I think was a Triple kill. (I don't even see anything in this conversation that's out of the normal for even good sportsmanship.... and the reports were likely due to the fact I was Leona Jungling and team responded by claiming "TROLL" even though my leona jung scores compete with Vi or Warwick scores....

Game 3 Illabethe: yeah crap loads of heals vs diving team Illabethe: and infernal drakes Illabethe: meh i suck Illabethe: sigh Illabethe: ty mid Illabethe: leona didnt even ult Illabethe: smh Illabethe: wtf Illabethe: that was f'd up Illabethe: no i'm not Illabethe: i know our team Illabethe: b Illabethe: blocked Illabethe: sorry family searching at $240k house Illabethe: nubs Illabethe: nub asses Illabethe: why because YOU guys are feeding? Illabethe: no. my build is anti zed Illabethe: but you fed him beyoind belief Illabethe: nah. you did Illabethe: and the 5 death 0 kill tryn Illabethe: you have invuln Illabethe: grow a pair Illabethe: couldnt get out because xin bailed Illabethe: dude stfu you are why we are in this mess Illabethe: you fed zed Illabethe: gave them drakes Illabethe: and fed mf

This game I tried to trade out of adc, because adc is one of my worst roles. No one responded, I went Jinx. The other team as a high sustain team with an MF adc. Had a Tryn exclusively feed (no kills and very low assists entire game), and my support was diving bot hard and I couldn't keep up with her or try to set up kills from her dives. Our mid and jungle were also hyper feeding a Zed mid who ended game 9/1/8. It wasn't the greatest of situations, but team started blaming me for their inadequacies, because I was building an HP build on Jinx to attempt to survive their feed (Black cleaver, Sterak's and some life steal items because a base HP Jinx wasn't going to survive their Zed or their fed Swain. Makes sense to build what's going to survive long enough to kill, right? I know meta builds, but rushing IE isn't going to win vs champs who can bottom out 1700 hp in 2 sec) Sometime during this game, my father called me out of breath, demanding, and excited, because right now we're doing some house hunting to try to move me closer to his farm, and he found a huge house for $240,000 that he jumped on and put out an offer before even consulting me on it, because he thinks it'll be sold in 3 days after sale starts.... THAT GOOD. So, I'll admit. Like I said in game, "meh I suck" I was distracted for a couple minutes and played a role in the loss. But.....I likely got reported simply because I was building off meta, not because of the house call. They were calling it a 4v5 game, wherein fact, it wasn't even my lane the most fed.

But wow.... I've been around since season 3. I have never seen Riot discipline for conversations like these. I mean..... these are the kind of conversations pros have...... a little critical, but not ragey-cussy and certainly not anything worse. These are causal frustration, and the kinds of conversations all players have.

For a game that has tooltips that suggest communication increases win performance, they certainly don't seem like they want us to communicate. They seem to want us to just Block our entire teams, never say a word other than "GJ" and never offer winning advice. They seem to want to reinforce the idea that, if someone is not playing meta, they can be reported for "griefing" and get convicted of bad behavior under verbal abuse. I see more than my share of this: I play Karma top (Counters almost all top champs except Wu or Yorick), Rakan and Leona Jungle (both extremely strong ganks/drake control/clear rates[Rakan and Leona both have large base attack scaling per level which enable them to be viable junglers), and MF support (I know some people attack this as some T1 trick someone pulled, but it's just as viable as any mage support, and has high spammability, and usually outscales the entire team on damage, and allows for some strong aoe condition application like grievous wounds or black cleaver's armor reduction to help entire team, that the normal adc builds don't allow. By and large, the only games I get reported on are these games where I play something someone else voices an opinion is "trolling."

I own almost all champs, and own considerable skins for them all as well. I don't appreciate getting disciplined at a level of language that could be expected of ANY player to use, that could put them at risk for G rated conversations. I mean..... look at game 2 and 3..... the latter game has 28 posts. The prior has 20. The games lasted about 30 minutes, so that's saying something about once every minute and a half, and probably less, since 5-6 of the lines are clumped together. So I talked those games a whopping 3-4 times. I was just "playing" and minding my own business, other than playing a nonmeta.

21 Comments

GamblerOfLives2 votes

bro..if u are vs fed assasins..buy phantom dancer, ninja tabi, death stance:)..your build sucks as jinx..you deal 0 dmg..why would you talk shit tto your team, when you suck also??

Eternitas1 votes

The build has 336 AD. I don't get where you get the idea it has no damage. I've pulled 88k in a game on Xayah with the same build. It's not as crit based but it certainly does more long term damage.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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The build has 336 AD. I don't get where you get the idea it has no damage. I've pulled 88k in a game on Xayah with the same build. It's not as crit based but it certainly does more long term damage.

this is why u are bronze..you need crit to deal dmg..and those item are the best if you need to survive

Eternitas1 votes
  1. I'm not Bronze. I'm ex Plat III
  2. There are other ways to increase damage. Namely, Lethality and armor penetration, and longevity. An Adc who dies in 2 seconds is worth far less than an adc who lives 4 minutes in a long term brawl. Something you don't seem to understand is. Lethality and Armor pen can actually amplify damage greater than crit can. And my build for this game doesn't not have crit. It just has less of it in exchange for about 990 hp in barriers, life steal, and a ton of armor pen.
GamblerOfLives1 votes

{quoted}

  1. I'm not Bronze. I'm ex Plat III
  2. There are other ways to increase damage. Namely, Lethality and armor penetration, and longevity. An Adc who dies in 2 seconds is worth far less than an adc who lives 4 minutes in a long term brawl. Something you don't seem to understand is. Lethality and Armor pen can actually amplify damage greater than crit can. And my build for this game doesn't not have crit. It just has less of it in exchange for about 990 hp in barriers, life steal, and a ton of armor pen.

well, u are really bad if u think that build is good on jinx:)..jinx scales with crit the best..lethality is good vs people who don't have armor..and it sucks on jinx.. as i said..if you need resistance from items..buy phantom dancer, death stance, ninja tabi maybe even a steracks..or Bt for the shield..buying mallet on jinx..is pretty bad,when you have all this options that are much better.

Also, if you have IE, but no zeal item..its again pretty bad..you need crit chance so you can crit the alot , since IE increases your crit damage as well..and 20% its not enough

Edit..instead of buying mallet, buy a freaking randuins:)..much better..you only lose 35 ad, for much better stats..

i forgot to mention, you also have a GA , another great defensive item..but, if worse comes to worse..randuins, its not a bad choice

Weathered1 votes

Ya I can't say I agree with you ._.

ModPeriscope1 votes

Your Game 1 description does not entirely match this game's description. Is this the game you referenced as having "Not a single person on my team ended game with an Executioner blade, Morellonomicon, or Mortal reminder, or Ignite" or is there a different game to which you referred?

ModPeriscope2 votes

At any rate, this is what I found punishable/reportable in your games:

Game 1:

i seriously doubt we'll win report jhin troll account trying to push lag excuse i'm not why you're feeding nub asses dont even see yi pushing base he's unkillable because of you love when feeders call others toxic

You're giving up, you're calling for others to be reported, you're calling other teammates feeders, trolls, and nubs, and blaming others.

Game 2:

Illabethe: ty malph Illabethe: for turning an easy game into a hard one Illabethe: pls report malph Illabethe: he literally gift wrapped top and went mid and fed darius

You're harassing Malphite in this game.

Game 3:

Illabethe: nubs Illabethe: nub asses Illabethe: why because YOU guys are feeding? Illabethe: but you fed him beyoind belief Illabethe: dude stfu you are why we are in this mess Illabethe: you fed zed Illabethe: gave them drakes Illabethe: and fed mf

Harassing teammates and blaming others.

After reviewing these games, I feel like a punishment was warranted. I would advise to not call for reports, as it only takes one report per game to trigger a review by the Instant Feedback System. Further, you blamed a lot of the time in each of your games. Maybe instead of placing the blame on their shoulders, you could give advice (buy armor/MR, hug the turret [you did point out a lack of MR in G1]) or take other objectives when that player is being singled out. At any rate saying "This is your fault" doesn't accomplish anything other than angering another player.

Additionally, off-meta picks are not what brought you here. They are not punishable offenses.

Eternitas1 votes
  1. **What I'm getting at isn't that I wasn't aggravated. I was. However, I think the level of aggravation was tame, and if the game can't handle that level of aggravation anymore, I think that Riot/our Children have gone off the beaten path and are enabling a culture where acting human is a crime. **

I don't know if you've been around since Season 3, but riot/tribunal certainly didn't used to assault this level of talk. I used to screen Tribunal posts, and generally, those who yolo guilty'd everyone, only had about a 35% correlation with the consensus of the tribunal. Players voting on the Tribunal used to accept this level of conversation as acceptable, and it was only flagrant offenders who actually got a consensus vote.

Now, it seems like if you say anything beyond "It's a nice day" or try to get your team's direction changed and result in a win, you will get the full brunt of whatever group is deciding the punishment now.

What they/you don't seem to realize is, a large portion of LoL's population is no longer 16-18 year olds. Even in those age groups, this level of conversation is "tame."

I know you will act altruistic when responding to me, but I don't know a single LoL player in the 4+ years I've been playing who isn't guilty of occasionally talking on this level, if not worse. I'm certain you're no different.

  1. That's not the way the old system worked. I don't know the new system that much other than to know it's abusive. In Tribunal, you generally needed to be either a chronic offender OR a multi report to flag a tribunal hearing.

  2. I generally only blame "game ending" decisions. Believe me or not, I've played enough sports, done enough game theory, and my brain does hundreds of calculations a second, to know when one change results in an absolute loss of a game. Every game has plenty of errors, even mine. However, when someone makes the one decision that results in a catastrophic one second "we're on an equal playing field" to "we're going to lose this in the next 4-6 minutes," those are generally the shots I call out. At that point, I don't care about angering someone, because it's not going to matter if they are angry or not. They've already lost. Now, as I said near the beginning of this paragraph, you may try to argue no one has this ability to discern, or that you still shouldn't make them angry, but I do, and on the latter you're probably right. Generally, that's the result of 8 of 10 games being run by the same sort of cataclysmic decision making or what appears to be intentional feed. But then again, you need to ask yourself: what proportion of this game's population just plays 1 game and cools off with the pressures of ranked? It doesn't guarantee you're going to win the next game anymore than if you raged in a followup game. Especially if your own play is "tilt proof." Most probably just play through it.

  3. I can guarantee that off meta is "why I'm here." You didn't see the rest of the conversations, from the other side, which generally get blocked because they are far more toxic than I. For example, the parts of the conversation that deviate to "You're Leona Jungle" whenever you ask someone to please just farm or to stop dying. You don't see the parts where at level 1 they refuse to leash and rage and scream and cry. You don't see the point where THEY call for reports at level 1 because you're off-meta. You don't see their chat where they imply the very reason they are feeding, is to expedite the game to 15 min to compel a surrender so they can "move on." You don't see them refusing to respond to 20 pings requesting assistance for a drake because "as Leona you can't drake" ( Leona actually excels at drake, but it's never a solo activity). These people aren't dumb. They create a toxic environment in game, explicitly to punish what they believe in their tunnel vision, is playing a troll pick, and they know that "instant feedback" will flag if they report off metas if those off metas are caught defending themselves.

Generally, with the level of "moderate" toxicity I displayed, a normal pick wouldn't get reported.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I agree this was mild toxicity, but it is still toxic. If I saw this in game, I wouldn't find those lines I pointed out helpful. It'd make me play worse, or at the least, I'd pay less attention to your chat. I think some criticism is helpful, but again, it could have been constructive.

Your line "I seriously doubt we'll win" was the first in your chat log from game 1. I don't know when this was said during the game, but it may as well have been "I'm giving up". Your lines would have been much better had this "doubt" been excluded from your chat. If you've been around since season 3, surely you can point to at least 1 game you won that you shouldn't have.

You were not punished for an off-meta pick. You were punished for your chat, and not anyone else's.

Eternitas1 votes

I think that's the game. It's not like I went through and looked up exact account of the situation. But even in that game, only 1 person has ignite, and 1 person has morellonomicon. The person with Ignite was yas, one of the feeders. Mal was the reason game lasted 30 minutes, along with me. Point is, the other team begs for grievous wounds and no feed, and our team didn't comply.

ModPeriscope3 votes

That team does beg for some healing reduction item/spells/champs. Malzahar built Morello's first. I kinda think Jhin should have built it during the midgame, and Yas built it, but it was a little late, kinda debatable how good it would be on him at that point. Why didn't you build it on Nami? I admit usually forgetting it on her when it's useful, but I think morellos > Athene's in that particular case. Also, I don't like the Ardent Censer when paired with Jhin. You're giving him AS, but he doesn't really use AS all too much! And why don't you have boots? No sightstone on a support? This makes me sad :(.

None of this has anything to do with your punishment.

Eternitas2 votes

P.S. As to not building on Nami: Morello is NOT ever better than a Athene's on Nami. The cycle of damage charges/heals are fundamentally too high to ignore. A Nami with a Morello's and same gear will only heal around 275-330, and the Grievous wounds is not guaranteed. Furthermore, since Swain was Resist heavy, it would be ineffective both as a heal and as damage. A Nami with Athene's on the other hand, has some Resist (needed vs fed mage), and heals for 650-770.

Morellonomicon is only good when you have a team who 1) does damage or 2) you are a burst mage who can ensure it procs. Nami on a 2 feeder team is neither.

I occasionally use it on MF support, or on some Karma variants (I prefer Mortal Reminder on Karma though, since a good karma doesn't just throw Q's, but auto attacks to push up Mantra's recharge, apply sheens, and Mortal reminder is GUARANTEED Grievous wounds, albiet lower duration. (On the build I use Mortal reminder I generally have some AD on Karma..... in Hextech, Iceborne, so the armor pen isn't completely useless, and I rarely have to use this build anyways)

EvilDustMan1 votes

Stop constantly talking down to your team.

Charmorg1 votes

You spend a lot of time explaining what led you to want to flame your team.

Yet you don't spend any time feeling sorry for flaming your team.

Illabethe: report jhin Illabethe: troll account trying to push lag excuse

Illabethe: nub asses dont even see yi pushing base Illabethe: he's unkillable because of you Illabethe: and the fact you have 0 reisst and 0 grievous wounds Illabethe: love when feeders call others toxic

Illabethe: wtf malph Illabethe: you just gave your turret for free

Illabethe: malph = freelo Illabethe: pls report malph Illabethe: omfg nami didnt get the hint to get out Illabethe: just finish Illabethe: they dont want to win

Illabethe: nubs Illabethe: nub asses Illabethe: and the 5 death 0 kill tryn Illabethe: you have invuln Illabethe: grow a pair Illabethe: couldnt get out because xin bailed Illabethe: dude stfu you are why we are in this mess

Each of these three games, you spend almost the entire game, if not the entire game flaming your teammates and blaming them for the team's loss. However, looking at your match history, it doesn't look like you're the star player yourself. The only time it is even remotely acceptable to think you are not at fault for the loss is if there's either a true inter (someone running down mid repeatedly until ff at 20) or you have a KDA way above your team. You do not fit either of those criteria - especially not having a ridiculously better KDA. You seem to be a very good support player, so I can understand your frustration when you get your ADC kills and they don't get fed. However that's not an excuse to flame anyone.

You spend a lot of time explaining the circumstances of the games that were referenced. However, you fail to realize, after prior punishments, that it doesn't matter. You are not permitted to flame your teammates or the enemy. Period, full stop. You constantly call them "nub asses" and tell them to "stfu", while constantly assigning blame when never saying anything such as "sorry I could've done X better there". You call your team "feeders", yet I haven't seen any intentional feeders in any of your games recently.

To refute your points at the beginning, Riot only showing you your own chat logs has been a thing since they did away with Tribunal. It reinforces the fact that they don't care what's going on in the game, fighting fire with fire is never okay. Again, you don't get a pass just cause you were flamed or mad at the game - there's the mute button for people flaming you, and if you get a strong desire to flame just because you're losing, you need anger management.

This isn't mildly frustrated. You literally spend entire games worth of chat berating your team for a loss, with no constructive chat at all. Chat is to be used to form strategy for the future of the game, not to berate your team constantly for things that happened in the past.

Spending money does not, will not, and should not get you any special treatment. The bar is the same for a level 5 player who just started playing, a platinum player who has spent no money on this game, a bronze player who's spent hundreds, etc. Nobody gets any special treatment, and if you're worried about losing your account, maybe you should either stop spending money or clean up your act.

Eternitas1 votes

  1. No. I didn't. I talked about 3-4 times over the entire duration of the game. A full game spammage consists of around 50-60 lines or more or text

  2. You have no idea the context of the conversations, so how are you in a position to judge whether I should "feel sorry" for them? I NEVER start the flame. You'll notice in 2 of those I said "blocked."

  3. You really have a narrow view of the game, and probably only play hyper carries, if you think the only credible people worthy of placing blame are those with high kills. Karma and Nami for example, are NOTORIOUS for having low kills, but high contributions, but nami specifically, having a limited ability to staunch a troll team of hyper feeders. I think you need to relook at my record, if you think my nami scores are "poor" or my Karma scores are "poor" or even if you think my Leona scores are poor. I'm generally ALWAYS low deaths, over 55-60% kill contribution, and high cs/gold/objectives, even in losing games. I NEVER go scores like 12/13/18, because quite frankly, I know how to avoid it. Trading is not winning.

  4. I fail to see how a Tryndamere going 0/6 in top lane is any responsibility of a Nami support in bot lane, or a Yasuo going 0/7 in mid lane, while bot is still in farming/trying to get turret mode. How could I "have done better" there? My lane/general area isn't what lost, and usually it's ME who puts them back in the game. The game with Yas and Jhin: It was me who even got Yasuo 2 kills. Even though I had a Jhin who was claiming 400 FPS, My lane didn't collapse until yasuo had lost BOTH turrets and was threatening to lose his base turret and I had to bail. I pull more than my fair share of teams out of the gutter, so don't accuse me of "what I could have done better."

  5. The money conversation flew right over your head. Riot has evolved its money machine, and almost everyone in some form is a spender with a much higher cost for discipline. Yet, they've adopted a system recently which punishes even the most luke-warm of offenders. This is an economics topic. Literally every player, even you (I know you'll deny it) is subject to responding in kind to this kind of conversation. Even Brofresco responds to frustrating teams in this level of frustration. This is a NORMAL level of frustration. Riot has essentially created a system that punishing a disproportionate level of players, which affects tangibly their ability to retain players on any relevant level.

Charmorg2 votes

  1. The constructiveness of your communication is not based on quantity, but quality. The quality of your communication is overwhelmingly negative, with sometimes some sprinkles of constructive chat.

  2. I don't care if you started or not. The context is not given to you in the reform card because it's not relevant. You flamed. You are responsible for that.

  3. You are unable to place blame for the game solely on one person unless you are innocent yourself - as in you must be carrying the team hard in order to have any excuse to blame. Regardless of what you think, it's a team game and all 5 people are responsible for a loss, barring someone trolling/inting.

  4. Did you offer advice to trynd to not die? No, you said "you have invul how do u keep dying wow u bad" (paraphrased). Did you offer "hey adc can i go top for a bit to get trynd a kill or two?" No, you didn't offer any assistance. Did you tell the jungler to ignore your lane, as you're doing ok, and focus on top/mid? No, you flamed your team instead. I don't care how many teams you "pull out of the gutter", it's a team game and you're treating it like you're the captain or the only important player.

  5. I don't think Riot has a problem retaining players, considering this is the largest online game in the world.

Chønklord1 votes

You are extremely negative, belittling, and negative toward your teammates.

Instead of being negative, try either

A. Not saying anything at all B. Try to be positive and uplift your teammates

Even if they are technically bad, or doing poorly -- there is never any reason to talk down and agitate other people when they're having a bad game.

Eternitas1 votes

When they have a history of bad game after bad game, mostly due to their own performance? I know how to look people up too >.>.

That being said, I don't have a real argument or counter to you, because it's technically true. I'm not debating that. What I'm debating is, at what point the threshold for action is. I can guarantee you're guilty of raging on a teammate, as is everyone in this thread, and in the time between these "3 games" I played 17 games, and the comments I made represent end of game conversations where the game was already a loss. I didn't say anything until either provoked consistently for 10-20 minutes (sometimes I block them; other times I think we need to still communicate).

I think something you all are missing is the fact that in game, chat isn't the only communication. I am a team leader personality (I know you'll disagree) and I know how to win/source objectives, and when team is blocked, they don't respond to pings or timer warnings, or wards, or danger warnings any better than they do when unblocked. They respond even worse, making a loss even more likely. I can kill bot lane, and opposing jungler, and my team STILL won't go to an Infernal drake. Whose to blame there? 9 times out of 10, the team who loses infernals, loses the game.

Chønklord1 votes

There's a difference between the occasional "I'm frustrated and got a bit upset at my teammates" game; and consistently being negative/harassing.

Even if your teammates are playing poorly, _it's still not an excuse to be negative towards them.

If you have nothing good to say, then shutup.

Otherwise, try not to be an asshole to teammates when you want/need them to do something.

Just because this is online video gaming, does not excuse one from being a decent human being and polite to strangers.

SuicideAll1 votes

Trying to convince Riot of anything is like being a black guy at a kkk party.

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