Add an option to disable ALL in game chat on an account,** forever.**
Literally, opt in and it's gone forever.
Now toxic players who can't help themselves can be productive members of the community, and no one pays for it. No one gets banned, no one tilts. Everyone wins.
SUPERSATANA11 votesAlready tested by Riot: was a failure. A toxic player without the possibility of venting his frustration in chat will find other, much worse way to express his rage.
rujitra3 votesOther thing I'd add is that Riot does not support the idea of players not communicating.
Entire removal of chat would only make it harder for players to communicate. Thus it will not be done.
mlm olo mlm3 votesRiot likes banning people though.
ModPrandine3 votesThat only works for chat related issues and does nothing to combat those who want to grief other players in non-chat related ways regardless if they have access to chat or not*. If a player can't not abuse and harass others regardless of being given multiple chances and warnings to behave then I see no reason why they shouldn't be permabanned as a result of their unwillingness to change.
*Riot already tried experimenting with this idea in the form of endlessly stacking chat restrictions and that failed. This means that chat's not the problem, the problem players themselves are.
BushidoBlade1 votesThat only works for chat related issues and does nothing to combat those who want to grief other players in non-chat related ways regardless if they have access to chat or not*. If a player can't not abuse and harass others regardless of being given multiple chances and warnings to behave then I see no reason why they shouldn't be permabanned as a result of their unwillingness to change.
*Riot already tried experimenting with this idea in the form of endlessly stacking chat restrictions and that failed. This means that chat's not the problem, the problem players themselves are.
Chat restricting players just restricts the players from using the chat. Using the chat is not the problem. Being able to see/ read the chat can cause players to trigger, which then causes further problems. If you give players an option not to see the chat or to auto mute players BEFORE the game begins, you will see less toxicity 100% I can guarantee it (I'm a toxic player, so I'm speaking from experience).
Umbral Regent1 votesAnd allowing players to remove their ability to see chat would also greatly decrease the ability to communicate with their team. And that's a pretty massive drawback for a proposed solution to toxicity.
Besides; if they still get tilted/triggered and start misbehaving from seeing the chat even after both chat restrictions, the next two tiers are bans, to hammer home that toxicity isn't welcome.
BushidoBlade1 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sVaNhAEv,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-12-08T22:32:59.402+0000)
And allowing players to remove their ability to see chat would also greatly decrease the ability to communicate with their team. And that's a pretty massive drawback for a proposed solution to toxicity.
When have you ever used Chat where it positively affected the outcome of a game? For every example you provide, I can provide 100 where chat had negatively impacted them. Are you saying that the 1 game where you used the chat to a positive outcome is of more importance than the 100 that were ruined due to this flawed behavioral experiment?
Besides; if they still get tilted/triggered and start misbehaving from seeing the chat even after both chat restrictions, the next two tiers are bans, to hammer home that toxicity isn't welcome.
That is exactly the problem though; that they can SEE the chat. If you eliminate this, there is no reason to use the chat for negativity. If there is an option that can prevent negative experience and player bans at the price of some player communication? Also, there is an in game voice chat option so if we allowed players to opt out or mute all every game (like they already do, they just have to type it in /muteall ) then more people can enjoy the game without toxicity.
Umbral Regent1 votesWhen have you ever used Chat where it positively affected the outcome of a game?
Plenty of times. You would be surprised how positivity, calls for focus, and so on can rally a team and turn a stalemate - or worse - into a win.
For every example you provide, I can provide 100 where chat had negatively impacted them.
Sure. I mean, I'm 90% sure that's hyperbole, but sure.
Are you saying that the 1 game where you used the chat to a positive outcome is of more importance than the 100 that were ruined due to this flawed behavioral experiment?
In a manner of speaking, yes. One should not simply disregard or do away with a tool simply because there are those out there who would misuse/abuse it.
But, beyond that, your argument about the absurd 1/100 ratio of positive outcomes of chat to negative outcomes of chat is pretty much pointless. It's completely ineffectual to argue using our personal experiences as a basis for how the chat is ultimately used by the community at large.
We are just two people. And even if I could say I had 100 instances where the use of chat was what made the game compared to you having 100 instances of the opposite, all it would be is a sum total 200 games of anecdotal evidence.
So even if you did have 100 instances of bad outcomes of chat to my 1 good outcome, it wouldn't matter. It's 100 instances of anecdotal outcomes.
That is exactly the problem though; that they can SEE the chat.
The problem is not that they can see the chat. It's how they react to the chat. If someone sees something they don't like in chat, and decide to throw a fit and start a flame war, the chat isn't the problem, it's the flamer.
If you eliminate this, there is no reason to use the chat for negativity.
And no way to use the chat for positivity either. Again; it makes no sense to do away with a perfectly useful tool just because some small handful of people out there can't be bothered to use it right. They can either learn to use their tools properly, or be kicked from the metaphorical project.
If there is an option that can prevent negative experience and player bans at the price of some player communication?
The option already exists - it's for the flamers to show self-control.
Riot bans players who go out of their way to disregard the rules - at the point that bans start getting dished out, Riot's losing tolerance for the flamer's nonsense. Reducing bans against players who deserve them is not a worthy goal.
Also, there is an in game voice chat option so if we allowed players to opt out or mute all every game (like they already do, they just have to type it in /muteall ) then more people can enjoy the game without toxicity.
This statement makes no sense.
First of all, the Voice Chat in League only extends to players in a premade group. You can have four people on League Comms and there's going to be that one guy who's left out and can't hear anything.
Second, opting out of chat is not and will not ever be an option. Communication is a core part of the game, and the ability to opt out of that would effectively dampen the experience for hundreds upon thousands of players who can use the feature properly.
Third, if someone wants to /muteall every game, they can literally do just that. No need to make some extraneous auto/muteall thing - remember, communication is a core part of the game. Riot doesn't want to encourage lessening it.
And fourth, none of this syncs up with your previous argument of "chat is what makes toxic people flame". I'm beginning to think you simply want chat to be done away with for the sake of not having chat.
BushidoBlade1 votes[{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sVaNhAEv,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-09T01:20:18.018+0000)
I like the level of bigotry and hyperbole that went into your statement; you spoke with such certainty as if you were part of Riot's disciplinary committee, but if you were, wouldn't you have a Riot tag? Hire this man! He clearly knows more than the rest of us :)
TrulyBland3 votesHave you stopped for a moment to think about whether or not it would be possible that somebody who actually worked for Riot has said those things already? Because they have. Multiple times. It makes sense to speak with certainty when it comes to a subject that has been talked to death as much as this one.
Jorencice2 votesI would rather they get banned. Seriously theres people that actually exists that are so angry at everything that they cant keep from being assholes.
That scares me for people around them.
zPOOPz1 votesNO
A toxic players do not rage or flame EVERY game or else he/she would not have that account for very long. Rito giving every an easy option to disable chat would put a team at a disadvantage before the game even begins. It will not likely to happen anytime soon.
There's other "simple effective way" such players can do it themselves without Rito hand holding them.
BushidoBlade1 votesNO
A toxic players do not rage or flame EVERY game or else he/she would not have that account for very long. Rito giving every an easy option to disable chat would put a team at a disadvantage before the game even begins. It will not likely to happen anytime soon.
There's other "simple effective way" such players can do it themselves without Rito hand holding them.
Every meaningful team oriented communication can be done with pings ALONE, regardless of chat. Pro players and Youtubers have gone on record saying this. Chat is there for people to flame each other. Period. Which is why it doesn't need to be in the game as certain players are incapable of controlling themselves in the chat (myself included).
Riot could avoid thousands of account bans per year by including an "Opt out of in-game chat" or a "Mute all players" checkbox BEFORE the game starts. Pre game and Post game chat would not suffer from this. In Game is where the real toxicity is allowed to exist and where it should be curved and prevented.
Telephone Booth1 votesLol no. Those who cant control themselves will never tilt anymore cuz chat isnt available? I dont think so.
Shandrake1 votesForum Drinking game: Take a shot everytime a toxic player mentions Perma Chat bans.
