Perma-Bans

Ovenmittt··4 votes·1,905 views

No amount of perma-bans will make shitty players any less shitty.

Shitty players make others rage at them, by virtue of being shitty.

It's just a fact of life. The everyone gets a trophy mentality is a joke, and these are the kind(s) of people who won't ever succeed in life. Criticism is a necessary part of life.

Also, when I figured out it was easier to spend $20 on new account then spend $ on rp for champs/boosts, I stopped paying riot a dime. EBAY ftw. Getting refunded all my old RP purchases through paypal was also a snap. Remember kids, there is always a recourse. Riot is shooting themselves in the foot with the new system. Perma-bans for trivial stuff? Lol. The money train is going to grind to a halt when people realize all their crap can be taken from them. If you don't want negative attitudes in your games, remove negative players' chat capabilities. The reality remains, however, that no amount of negativity makes them any less skilled at the game, and shitty players SHOULD feel shitty for ruining the game for their four other teammates - which is where the vast majority of negativity comes from in the game from the first place.

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Selegun4 votes

You sound like you could use one of those candy bars with the penuts in them.

TheLastShadow453 votes

Someone needs a snickers.

kaleb bartlett2 votes

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No amount of perma-bans will make shitty players any less shitty.

Shitty players make others rage at them, by virtue of being shitty.

It's just a fact of life. The everyone gets a trophy mentality is a joke, and these are the kind(s) of people who won't ever succeed in life. Criticism is a necessary part of life.

Also, when I figured out it was easier to spend $20 on new account then spend $ on rp for champs/boosts, I stopped paying riot a dime. EBAY ftw. Getting refunded all my old RP purchases through paypal was also a snap. Remember kids, there is always a recourse. Riot is shooting themselves in the foot with the new system. Perma-bans for trivial stuff? Lol. The money train is going to grind to a halt when people realize all their crap can be taken from them. If you don't want negative attitudes in your games, remove negative players' chat capabilities. The reality remains, however, that no amount of negativity makes them any less skilled at the game, and shitty players SHOULD feel shitty for ruining the game for their four other teammates - which is where the vast majority of negativity comes from in the game from the first place.

You do understand that if you keep making false refund charges they can file a fraud lawsuit on you and have you jailed. Keep that in mind.

Regardless, the only constant in your games is YOU, and seeing as you are constantly being banned it's not the other people's fault, it's yours for being an obnoxious jackass and breaking the contract you agreed to before even being able to enter your account information. Like it or not, you DO have to follow their rules or you WILL loose each and every account you buy.

You have the ability to NOT type in chat, how about you try that for a change instead of being a whiny jackass because they don't do what you say, or play how you think they should.

Ovenmittt1 votes

The fact that you have nothing to say contrary to the obvious statements I've made pretty much cements my point.

TrulyBland2 votes

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The fact that you have nothing to say contrary to the obvious statements I've made pretty much cements my point.

Because your "obvious statements" are mostly obviously wrong. So obviously, that nobody can be bothered to explain it to you, because it would most likely be fruitless. After all you managed to be wrong about:

A) The nature of the actual problem; given that you seem to try to shift the blame to people that are bad at playing a video game instead of to the people that lack self control. Also see H). B) The point of games as a whole, seeing as how you are trying to justify people raging at the bad players mentioned above. C) The concept of trophies, seeing as how not being raged at is apparently a "trophy" of some kind to you. D) Sensible use of money, given that you think that buying accounts (which will quickly get banned and are very frequently used to scam people) for 20$ is a good idea. E) The frequency of permabans or the amount of people that are upset about the existence of permabans seeing as how you think that people like you refraining from buying RP will make even a dent in Riot's income. F) How logical conclusions work, seeing as how you desperately tried to shift the blame to the shitty players, yet say that negative players should simply get their chat restricted. G) The general idea of a teambased game (and again, the frequency of permabans), seeing as how you seem to believe that it makes any sense whatsoever to remove a really really small portion of the players' ability to chat at all, just so they can keep playing the game without having to adjust to playing with other human beings. H) The concept of guilt, seeing as how you seem to believe that players that have absolutely no control over who they get matched with, should somehow feel shitty for not being matched at their appropriate skill level. I) The concept of skill, seeing as how you seem to believe that magically any person that ragers is a skilled player; or even a more skilled player than the person being raged at, when in reality raging very frequently origins from our instinct to protect ourselves from responsibility.

I hope that clears things up.

Ovenmittt2 votes

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Because your "obvious statements" are mostly obviously wrong. So obviously, that nobody can be bothered to explain it to you, because it would most likely be fruitless. After all you managed to be wrong about:

A) The nature of the actual problem; given that you seem to try to shift the blame to people that are bad at playing a video game instead of to the people that lack self control. Also see H). B) The point of games as a whole, seeing as how you are trying to justify people raging at the bad players mentioned above. C) The concept of trophies, seeing as how not being raged at is apparently a "trophy" of some kind to you. D) Sensible use of money, given that you think that buying accounts (which will quickly get banned and are very frequently used to scam people) for 20$ is a good idea. E) The frequency of permabans or the amount of people that are upset about the existence of permabans seeing as how you think that people like you refraining from buying RP will make even a dent in Riot's income. F) How logical conclusions work, seeing as how you desperately tried to shift the blame to the shitty players, yet say that negative players should simply get their chat restricted. G) The general idea of a teambased game (and again, the frequency of permabans), seeing as how you seem to believe that it makes any sense whatsoever to remove a really really small portion of the players' ability to chat at all, just so they can keep playing the game without having to adjust to playing with other human beings. H) The concept of guilt, seeing as how you seem to believe that players that have absolutely no control over who they get matched with, should somehow feel shitty for not being matched at their appropriate skill level. I) The concept of skill, seeing as how you seem to believe that magically any person that ragers is a skilled player; or even a more skilled player than the person being raged at, when in reality raging very frequently origins from our instinct to protect ourselves from responsibility.

I hope that clears things up.

A) Whether anyone has self control or not is completely irrelevant to terrible players being flamebait, IE: the ROOT of the problem.

B) The point is to win. Anything that lowers the chances of that, IE: terrible players, feeders, trolls, etc, reduces your chance of winning, and thus detracts from the game experience.

C) Trophies? What?

D) Very sensible. Cheap, reliable, my time (and sanity dealing with terrible noobs in sub-30) is worth well more then the cost

E) The frequency is changing, immensely.

F) Where is the desperation? Remove the terribles, or create a noob server for them to play on so as not to ruin others' experience (and even transfer off of). Otherwise, guess what, if someone is terrible and playing poorly, they should be told that they are playing poorly, and ruining others' experience.... see B

G) The general idea is to win. Anything else is wrong.

H) Guilt is irrelevant to winning, and a feelings trophy won't make a terrible player better.

I) Are you implying that feeders and terribles aren't the cause of 95%+ of the rage in LoL? Because you're categorically delusional if that's that point you're trying to make.

Ovenmittt1 votes

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Cool, another reply from a bronze/silver/gold never graduated from little league of LoL account. Your opinions are literally not relevant to conversation, because you have never seen a competitive game.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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Cool, another reply from a bronze/silver/gold never graduated from little league of LoL account. Your opinions are literally not relevant to conversation, because you have never seen a competitive game.

Lol, when someone runs out of argument, checking out the person's elo is ALWAYS the best solution. High elo's logic indeed.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/lBoaFbLk-the-higher-the-players-elo-the-bigger-his-mouth-becomes

And also, are you referring to a competitive game where everyone behaves in their utmost true sportsmanship behavior & knowing how to work together, instead of cussing everyone & not helping out teamwork like you do? Yes I do. Remembered when C9 Hai had a penalty fee just because he pointed the middle finger to Ferbiven? At least he received the punishment, why can't others as well?

Ovenmittt1 votes

"You do understand that if you keep making false refund charges they can file a fraud lawsuit on you and have you jailed. Keep that in mind."

No, they can't. It's not a false charge when you are denied something you purchased. That's how transactions work. If you lease a car, and then the dealer says you can't drive it anymore, you'd certainly get your money back on the lease - because that's how commerce is conducted.

TrulyBland1 votes

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"You do understand that if you keep making false refund charges they can file a fraud lawsuit on you and have you jailed. Keep that in mind."

No, they can't. It's not a false charge when you are denied something you purchased. That's how transactions work. If you lease a car, and then the dealer says you can't drive it anymore, you'd certainly get your money back on the lease - because that's how commerce is conducted.

I don't know enough about law to say whether they can or can't file a fraud lawsuit, but your comparison is horrible. You didn't lease your skins; and you're technically not directly denied access to what you purchased. You're being denied access to the thing you've been "upgrading" with your purchases. And you're being denied that access because you are bad for their business for as long as you still have access to it.

Ovenmittt1 votes

An imaginary, non-binding, non-legal TOU has no legal authority over a person(s). Additionally, since paypal is the actual money handler, paypal's contract has the authority over refunds - it's even funny how they worded the end of the last paragraph... "OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DELETION OF GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT." Literally, they aren't liable to damage to the assets (the points themselves), however they are still legally bound to refund your monies. You can argue the point, but I have $235 in my paypal account that disagrees with you.

TrulyBland1 votes

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An imaginary, non-binding, non-legal TOU has no legal authority over a person(s). Additionally, since paypal is the actual money handler, paypal's contract has the authority over refunds - it's even funny how they worded the end of the last paragraph... "OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DELETION OF GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT." Literally, they aren't liable to damage to the assets (the points themselves), however they are still legally bound to refund your monies. You can argue the point, but I have $235 in my paypal account that disagrees with you.

Paypal just has authority over your account and your transactions; they have no authority whatsoever over the legality of your transactions. You want your money back? They'll do that. But if it turns out that you're legally required to pay that money, you'll still have to face the legal consequences.

kaleb bartlett2 votes

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An imaginary, non-binding, non-legal TOU has no legal authority over a person(s). Additionally, since paypal is the actual money handler, paypal's contract has the authority over refunds - it's even funny how they worded the end of the last paragraph... "OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE DELETION OF GAME ASSETS, VIRTUAL ITEMS OR RIOT POINTS UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT." Literally, they aren't liable to damage to the assets (the points themselves), however they are still legally bound to refund your monies. You can argue the point, but I have $235 in my paypal account that disagrees with you.

I said they could, I didn't say they WOULD. Regardless, it was your own idiocy that caused you the loss of the account, not anyone elses. They are only legally required to refund it if they didn't give it to you in the first place, but what you did WAS fraud. You received the points and made use of them, ergo you used the service you had paid for, and THAT you can't argue with. That's like demanding your money back from a bar for the drinks you had after being thrown out.

JackTheTripper1 votes

I highly disagree. Something was bought, then it was taken away so yes a refund is in order. Sorry they don't get our money for nothing.

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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I highly disagree. Something was bought, then it was taken away so yes a refund is in order. Sorry they don't get our money for nothing.

What are you talking about? also why the necro?

Disneylord1 votes

If you bought account its almost 100% sure that it will be perma banned without warning in the next 2 months you should have already known that its against Riot policies, all the rest of the people who bought accs ended up banned

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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If you bought account its almost 100% sure that it will be perma banned without warning in the next 2 months you should have already known that its against Riot policies, all the rest of the people who bought accs ended up banned

infact: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse

D. Account Sales. The Account supplied to you is personal to you, and Riot Games does not recognize and expressly forbids the transfer of user Accounts. You shall not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or make any such offer, and any attempt shall be null and void. Any distribution by you of your Account and/or your Login Credentials (except as expressly provided herein or otherwise explicitly approved of by Riot Games) may result in suspension or termination of your Account.

Disneylord1 votes

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infact: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse

what do you mean is it illegal or not

kaleb bartlett1 votes

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what do you mean is it illegal or not

It is Illegal :P just showing the section in the ToU that it was in. ^^

Disneylord1 votes

sorry for same commment spamm i dont know what happened i clicked post once

TrulyBland1 votes

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sorry for same commment spamm i dont know what happened i clicked post once

I have the same issue right now... boards are a bit laggy. For me it also sometimes fails to apply the automatic self-upvote.

Disneylord1 votes

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I have the same issue right now... boards are a bit laggy. For me it also sometimes fails to apply the automatic self-upvote.

lol it looks like you downvoted yourself

Linthe1 votes

Your premise is simply false. I never rage at "shitty players" (your words, not mine).

Ovenmittt

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kaleb bartlett1 votes

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"You do understand that if you keep making false refund charges they can file a fraud lawsuit on you and have you jailed. Keep that in mind."

No, they can't. It's not a false charge when you are denied something you purchased. That's how transactions work. If you lease a car, and then the dealer says you can't drive it anymore, you'd certainly get your money back on the lease - because that's how commerce is conducted.

You don't understand how the Riot point system works buddy. After you have given them the money and they have given you the points that's the end of that transaction. If they were to have not given you the points then you would have some basis to refund, but once the transaction has finished and the points are in the account that constitutes a completed transaction.

Read that EULA you agreed to: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/eula

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Also under terms of use: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse

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You aren't special, you aren't smarter than they are, keep it up and you'll get hit. I suggest you not be an idiot.

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