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Why Does Riot Promote Racism, Anti-Semitism, Homophobia, and General Hate Speech?

Twisted Circle··3 votes·2,972 views

I have come across 6 people in the last four days alone with racist/homophobic slurs in their names and clan names/tags. All but one of them are between level 150 and 200, so they're playing quite a bit.

Current count: 3 racial slurs, 2 anti-Semitic slurs, and 2 homophobic slurs (one person managed to fit both racial and homophobic slurs in one clan name/tag).

Why does Riot Games promote this behavior? Is it company policy, or just the employees espouse these ideals themselves, and wish them to remain, even against ToS?

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PresBushDid71129 votes

I don't think you know what the word "promote" means.

PresBushDid71117 votes

There's laws against rape, rape still happens, ergo police promote rape.

Twisted Circle2 votes

Police investigate and arrest rapists. Riot Games will not do anything about those things that are brought to their attention.

PresBushDid7118 votes

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Police investigate and arrest rapists. Riot Games will not do anything about those things that are brought to their attention.

Evidence?

Twisted Circle2 votes

Of rapists getting arrested, or Riot Games allowing people with hate speech in their names and clans to continue using them? Because the first I can simply link to any prison registry, and the second would be things like:

Anti-Semitic: person slightly misspelling the name of an extremely high-profile and anti-Semitic book. Racial: person with a racial slur spelled backwards followed by the name "backwardz".

In order to avoid technical naming and shaming.

rujitra6 votes

And you reported them and can reference Riot replying to you stating "we will not do anything about that"?

A book title is hardly offensive. I doubt you'd have any trouble with someone with the name "DiaryOfAnneFrank". Literature is literature, and you don't get to just have a safe space free from other ideas, even if they are vile.

Names like "KillTheJews" or similar are very frequently changed when reported. Meaningless names like the name of a book aren't likely to be changed. It's a god damn book, not someone being anti-Semitic. Otherwise you'd have to ask Riot to change "The Bible" or "TheQuran", because those names can also be offensive.

Twisted Circle1 votes

No, the book referenced is Mein Kampf.

rujitra6 votes

And? That offends you, fine. The Bible offends some people. Should that also be a prohibited name? What about Fahrenheit 451? 1985?

Before this gets taken the wrong way, I'm going to edit this in. Books are literature. The name of a book is referring to the piece of literature. It is not the same as the ideas presented in it. If you are saying that Mein Kampf can only mean antisemitism now, that's absurd. It is literally My Struggle translated... which could be a very accurate description of one's League experience.

Hitler was a vile person. He wrote a book. That does not instantly make that book's title verbotten or equated to his ideology.

Twisted Circle1 votes

Okay, least important things first. The book is actually "1984", by George Orwell.

Second. I'm not personally offended by that book, since I'm also not Jewish.

Third. If you're equating religious texts to an autobiography written by the single most notorious and prolific anti-Semite in history, that's your prerogative.

Fourth. Referencing religious texts does not provide the same intent that referencing a book specifically detailing the process and ideology of becoming anti-Semitic does.

rujitra4 votes

Fat fingers ruin comments, but I'll leave it as is so your reply makes sense.

So... because Hitler was a vile person, his book is automatically verbotten? I'm sorry, what? Many people have an antisemitic view that Jesus was a murderer. Does that mean that the Bible should be verbotten as well?

The book describes Hitler's views over the course of his life. It does not overtly promote them. It does not say his views are the one true worldview. It is simply an analysis of his changing view on the world from his childhood through adulthood.

Twisted Circle2 votes

So NAMING YOURSELF after that book is not a definitive statement of anti-Semitism to you?

rujitra4 votes

No? It's a book. Now someone were to say something like IAmMeinKampf or similar... That's another story.

Twisted Circle2 votes

So what would naming yourself after that book communicate to you?

rujitra3 votes

That they named themselves either after the German words for "my fight/struggle" or after a book. Doesn't mean they agree with the book. You are taking A+B=C and now talking about Q, something that is far off and only tangentially related.

rujitra3 votes

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So let me get this straight. If you saw the name "Mein Kampf" on a North American server, with the spelling changed but including capitals, you're claiming you would think it was someone trying to speak German.

You're also trying to tell me you'd name yourself after a book you don't agree with.

Have I gotten your arguments right yet?

Wait a minute, you said it was Mein Kampf. You’re now saying that the spelling was changed. Which is it? You’re being inconsistent here.

And dude, I’d name myself any name I thought was cool. Maybe someone tried out names, and decided on this one because it was a well known book that wasn’t taken by someone else. You’re literally making so many assumptions and leaps in logic here and ignoring all other possibilities, and you’re asking someone to be punished because you don’t agree with the other possibilities.

By the way, there’s many people in the USA that speak German as a primary language.

ChaosReyn2 votes

I think you've honestly made your own argument a paradox.

You talk about how Riot promotes Anti-Semitism and Hate Speech, but in being what I can only describe as "ridiculously anti-German" in your argument that a book title that literally translates to "My Struggle" are you not promoting hate speech and Anti-Semitism yourself?

Keep in mind, comrade, that you can find people of every origin, nationality, and tongue in NA. For all you know, this "Mein Kampf" guy could be some collegiate language arts major who studied German and found it really ironic to name his LoL account after the absolute struggle it is to find an enjoyable game, let alone climb in rank, and compares all the instantaneous flaming by teammates to supremacist behavior.

Or maybe you considered that, and find even further offensiveness in the fact that you're being compared to a Nazi, by proxy. -shrugs-

ChaosReyn3 votes

I'll be blunt here: I was leaning towards agreeance with you, that there are far too many people with ridiculously offensive names. Then I saw this argument, and I have to say, my entire opinion right now has swayed more to believe you're simply looking for a "mountain out of a molehill" scenario in bringing it up, and that you're obviously willing to compromise your own argument through your wording for the sake of your argument.

Yes, "Mein Kampf" is a pretty high-profile/high controversy book...but the book on it's own is honestly not on its own a designation of hate speech. "GasTheJews" is offensive towards Jews. The N-word spelled with q's instead of g's (impressive mods, you even filtered that variant!) is offensive and anti-semantic towards black people. "Mein Kampf"...there's really not a reason to be upset over it. Hell...even taking the name "Hitlurr" isn't on its own obscene enough to be considered hateful, though if a Jew were to join a game with or against this guy, they'd still likely consider it their sworn duty to murder them or bait them into dying as much as possible, depending on their team, and I honestly couldn't be mad about it. >.>

Your argument in and of itself though is what's ruining your overall point. There's a line that needs to be made - either "Mein Kampf" is not obscene enough to be considered hateful on its own, or any name containing religion, pride, or politics should all be considered hateful and oppressive. Yes, I will indeed compare "Main Kampf" to all of those, because all of those are controversial in the same type of way, but to different audiences. If I, for example, were to get ROYALLY BUTTHURT upon seeing the name "Hamdullah" (Saudi for "Praise Allah") would it be any different from hating "Mein Kampf"? Not really. Same if I were to be upset about "oBOMBa"(I think that one actually is a name in NA. >.>) Neither of those on their own are really hateful or anti-anything...neither is "Mein Kampf." The projection some people would place upon those names based on their thoughts of them are not something the people with those names control. Those projections are on the people projecting them.

ViperVenom6 votes

Please reply with the definition of promote

Twisted Circle1 votes

verb (used with object), pro·mot·ed, pro·mot·ing. to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:

"Help or encourage to exist"

CharDeeMcDenniz13 votes

so bc some people out of the tens of millions slip temporarily through the cracks in the system you think RIOT is encouraging them to exist?

that's quite the logic bridge you have there

Twisted Circle2 votes

That part where I mentioned what level they are? That means "temporarily" is not what's happening.

CharDeeMcDenniz8 votes

lol ok pal, good luck with that

might want to look up the word "anecdotal", just a thought...

Twisted Circle2 votes

Might want to look up the word "temporary", but considering your other response, I'm pretty sure you're just here to troll-comment anyway.

CharDeeMcDenniz5 votes

I have reported people for their names and seen them changed and have even had one of my own previous accounts forced to change its name

dont be so obtuse

PresBushDid7115 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twisted Circle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rhHTQzpm,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-18T22:37:49.035+0000)

verb (used with object), pro·mot·ed, pro·mot·ing. to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:

"Help or encourage to exist"

Damn, I must have missed all the encouragement. I was probably distracted by the numerous threads in this forum of people complaining about bans or homophobia, racism, encouraging self harm, etc etc.

There system currently isn't the greatest at identifying clan names, and probably should be reported via support ticket.

A faulty system doesnt equate promotion.

A Real Troll2 votes

{quoted}

Damn, I must have missed all the encouragement. I was probably distracted by the numerous threads in this forum of people complaining about bans or homophobia, racism, encouraging self harm, etc etc.

There system currently isn't the greatest at identifying clan names, and probably should be reported via support ticket.

A faulty system doesnt equate promotion.

Ive made tickets about people with racist usernames before. Both of them continue to play. much like every other ticket I have made that should result in a ban but instead results in some nice words from riot support about how something will be done then nothing ever is.

PresBushDid7114 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Real Troll,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rhHTQzpm,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-18T22:47:00.098+0000)

Ive made tickets about people with racist usernames before. Both of them continue to play. much like every other ticket I have made that should result in a ban but instead results in some nice words from riot support about how something will be done then nothing ever is.

Anicdotal evidence, the best kind.... and with a user name like real troll adding much needed credence to said "evidence".

A Real Troll1 votes

{quoted}

Anicdotal evidence, the best kind.... and with a user name like real troll adding much needed credence to said "evidence".

I would post evidence but then that would be naming and shaming... :/

PresBushDid7112 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Real Troll,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rhHTQzpm,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-18T23:23:11.342+0000)

I would post evidence but then that would be naming and shaming... :/

You can black out the summoner name if you included it in your ticket.

I'm not sure if clan name is considered naming and shaming. The Herald might clear that up for me.

Vaelkyrie1 votes

{quoted}

Anicdotal evidence, the best kind.... and with a user name like real troll adding much needed credence to said "evidence".

Troll: noun. a mythical, cave-dwelling being depicted in folklore as either a giant or a dwarf, typically having a very ugly appearance.

:)

Silent Gravity1 votes

From my personal experience reporting unacceptable names, (I've reported 3 names via support ticket) one was banned for 14 days (it was their second unacceptable name after receiving a forced name change), one was permanently banned, and one was allowed to go free.

The one who went free was using the name of a mass murderer in a positive light. I would have preferred that they at least receive a forced name change, but I'm not in charge.

I have not found any way to see if the clan names that I've reported were changed or earned punishment for the clan leader (as I am unable to ascertain who the leader is from outside a clan). So, I have no data for unacceptable clan names or tags.

Twisted Circle1 votes

Were those reported using the in-game function or the support function?

Silent Gravity1 votes

Support function for the player names. Combination of support and ingame for the clan tags/names.

Twisted Circle1 votes

Each one has been reported. Each one remains playing as of today or yesterday.

PresBushDid7113 votes

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Each one has been reported. Each one remains playing as of today or yesterday.

Each one was reported via support ticket? Screenshots of tickets please.

Twisted Circle1 votes

You want me to report each person individually with support tickets? That's what the report function is SUPPOSED to be for, and the reason it's being ignored is the reason for this thread.

Which I am still quite willing to do, because I feel pretty strongly about hate speech. But unfortunately, having to submit a support ticket for each individual using hate slurs in their names means that Riot Games still won't do anything, only individual employees will.

Also, it's not just clan names/tags. It's also their actual summoner names. Which are indeed easy to identify.

PresBushDid7111 votes

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You want me to report each person individually with support tickets? That's what the report function is SUPPOSED to be for, and the reason it's being ignored is the reason for this thread.

Which I am still quite willing to do, because I feel pretty strongly about hate speech. But unfortunately, having to submit a support ticket for each individual using hate slurs in their names means that Riot Games still won't do anything, only individual employees will.

The report system as it stands was based off the old tribunal, which looked at chat. At that time clans, and clan tags didn't exist.

It's not even a report option currently as inappropriate name refers to summoner name. Until the IFS adds the category or they create an automated system for clan name, your best best will be a support ticket.

I mean it's not really bolstering your argument to complain about a problem, but scoff at the idea that the effort to open a Web browser is to much for you.

Twisted Circle1 votes

I said I was perfectly willing to do so. And your point here is that Riot Games will not expend what it takes to even be able to see clan tags/names in a report. That's kind of my point. Riot Games has no intention of doing anything about it.

Also, five of the people I mentioned were indeed summoner names, not clan tags. Only one person was clan tag/name. So the report function would still work, if Riot Games were willing to do anything about it.

PresBushDid7112 votes

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I said I was perfectly willing to do so. And your point here is that Riot Games will not expend what it takes to even be able to see clan tags/names in a report. That's kind of my point. Riot Games has no intention of doing anything about it.

Also, five of the people I mentioned were indeed summoner names, not clan tags. Only one person was clan tag/name. So the report function would still work, if Riot Games were willing to do anything about it.

I don't think anyone has disagreed with the statement that Riot was and is currently inadequate in some detection methods. Two that come to mind are summoner names/clan tags and intentionally trolling.

Likewise, I have seen no indication from Riot via posts, patch notes, news and note, etc saying that they were satisfied with the current state of detection.

No one is here to argue the IFS is flawless, nor that reported successful punishments are conveyed well, nor that holes in detection arent present.

However, we will argue that acknowledging that doesn't equate to Riot Games encouraging or promoting said actions.

Twisted Circle1 votes

I understand. I don't agree, but I understand, and I see where you're coming from.

What gets me is that Riot Games isn't working to correct or improve it in all the years that it's been changed, nor will they hire enough people to adequately deal with the problems. They rely on their automated system, yet have not updated or changed it in years.

Also, in response to an earlier post of yours, I am, as we speak, reporting those people via support function. I am disappointed that it requires me to do that, but I appreciate you making me aware that it is a function that can get results outside of the report function, which the support ticket keeps trying to link me back to.

PresBushDid7111 votes

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I understand. I don't agree, but I understand, and I see where you're coming from.

What gets me is that Riot Games isn't working to correct or improve it in all the years that it's been changed, nor will they hire enough people to adequately deal with the problems. They rely on their automated system, yet have not updated or changed it in years.

Also, in response to an earlier post of yours, I am, as we speak, reporting those people via support function. I am disappointed that it requires me to do that, but I appreciate you making me aware that it is a function that can get results outside of the report function, which the support ticket keeps trying to link me back to.

I ran into a bunch of homophobic and encouragement to self harm clan names in a row, so I started a notebook doc. That way I can just copy and paste them when I see them in champ select and then do one ticket later.

I still report them via in game, but I know it's not a good system, so I do the ticket as well.

Twisted Circle2 votes

I will start doing that myself. All tickets have now been submitted via support as well, and though I've played this game for years, I did not know that reporting players via support tickets was a thing.

Everyone that I've ever known in-game relied entirely on the in-game reporting system, which Riot Games will not improve or update, so we're stuck yelling into the dark about so much awful in this game.

That's also the basis behind my thread. Individual employees might make a difference and help where they can, but when it comes to the company itself, they will not implement anything or make any effort to improving the system that would deal with most of this behavior.

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twisted Circle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rhHTQzpm,comment-id=000200000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-18T23:54:02.912+0000)

when it comes to the company itself, they will not implement anything or make any effort to improving the system that would deal with most of this behavior.

sorry man but this is just straight up false and you're just coming off as salty

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

so what do you call it when they went from the crappy, slow, tribunal to the IFS AI they have now?

the IFS, btw, is a DIRECT result of community response in the tribunal.

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

So i take it you don't understand how AI learning works then...

that's fine, but I'm not going to explain it to you, check it out though, might clear some things up for you.

see ya, good luck with your tilt-posting*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

you're not worth one more second of effort, that's why

dense AF

PresBushDid7111 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twisted Circle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rhHTQzpm,comment-id=000200000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-18T23:54:02.912+0000)

I will start doing that myself. All tickets have now been submitted via support as well, and though I've played this game for years, I did not know that reporting players via support tickets was a thing.

Everyone that I've ever known in-game relied entirely on the in-game reporting system, which Riot Games will not improve or update, so we're stuck yelling into the dark about so much awful in this game.

That's also the basis behind my thread. Individual employees might make a difference and help where they can, but when it comes to the company itself, they will not implement anything or make any effort to improving the system that would deal with most of this behavior.

I wouldn't say they won't implement anything. I would say that they are inadequate in addressing known issues in a timely manner and poorly communicate when they have made steps to address said issues.

Granted, part of that is not giving trolls to much information that can be used to circumvent punishments. However, stating "The IFS now detects clan names/tags that go against TOS" wouldn't hurt, and honestly should have been a feature at IFS launch.

PresBushDid7111 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twisted Circle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rhHTQzpm,comment-id=00020000000100010000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-19T00:09:14.718+0000)

You're right, too much information would allow for circumvention, but at this point, actually having to circumvent something would be an improvement.

The only announcement they ever made to changing player behavior was the implementation of the honor system, which is, unfortunately, not a hugely effective system.

Under the honor system, there are no punishments, there are merely rewards or lack thereof, and a lack of rewards doesn't deter negative behavior.

It would definitely be a step in the right direction if they were to at least say they were improving the reporting system, even if they didn't give many details.

Edit: Support tickets are already being resolved, and I'm getting very informative and helpful responses from support staff. Why won't Riot Games make their in-game system this good?

Lol, you don't have to tell me about the punishment system, at least in regard to verbals. I've had about 5 or 6 punishments on this account.

Boltonator2 votes

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Each one has been reported. Each one remains playing as of today or yesterday.

Are you expecting instant gratification? I’m afraid it doesn’t work like that friend.

Lulu

Twisted Circle1 votes

Yeah, should definitely let them play for 200 more levels before doing anything about it.

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