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Idea for management of trolls and smurfs!

Whisper87··3 votes·948 views

So in Korea they made it so that you have to register for adult accounts with an ID number of some kind or like phone number, not sure on the exact details. This way all accounts lead back to the creator for punishment purposes.

You could force people to use their SSN to register, which is probably a terrible idea because of security reasons. And you don't want to make accounts paid, cuz that's obviously a huge hit to player base.

So here's my idea for NA:

Make only Premim accounts playable into ranked play. Premium accounts are still free, but you must register with your ISP account number. This way you can transfer accounts with no problem like if you move or something, but you can't keep two Ranked Elligible accounts going unless paying for two ISP accounts. If you feel like smurfing, you do it in normals. Or if you want to do one of those Unranked to __________ races at the end of a season, you just create a new account registered with that ISP and make it your Premium account. You can upgrade any account to Premium at any time, but your other accounts will lost this status until you re-instate it. By making it a bit of a pain to smurf in ranked you prevent people from just trolling on their smurf in ranked to blow off steam cuz they won't want to put in the effort. (Just had a game where a Diamond 2 player lost 5 games in a row so then came onto his smurf in my Plat 4 game and just spam engaged despite being behind and saying repeatedly that he doesn't care and is not really trying. So you'll understand where I come from with this.) Each player would only be allowed to have one account in Premium status at a time. Punishment/Reports would affect all accounts equally, as would your honor tier. For example, one report on all 3 of your accounts would have the exact same result at 3 reports on a single account. If one is banned, they all banned, if one is reported, they all reported. Your Honor rewards are not shared, just the honor tier.

TLDR: -All accounts registered to ISP account number and your IRL name -All accounts share same impact of reports and bans (all accounts are essentially one for purposes of behavior punishment) -Only one account eligible to play ranked at one time, but you can switch this fairly easily by going online and switching it then doing an email verification. -All accounts have their own Essence, Riot Points, honor rewards, and Cosmetics, but their Honor tier would be universal. **New system punishes players for trolling on smurfs, remains 100% free to play, and rewards players even more for being honorable as they will be rewarded even on alt accounts.

21 Comments

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

I don't like that idea at all. If Riot really wanted to deal with trolls, then they need to start manually reviewing games. Trolls are almost never punished anyway, and smurfing is not nearly as big of a deal as these boards make it out to be.

Whisper871 votes

Smurfing is a big issue for a couple reasons.

#1 most players can verify that the second a game starts going south most smurfs will start trolling, or flaming, or both. Not healthy for the game.

#2 Smurfs jack with matchmaking, which requires Riot to implement something like the absolutely garbage mechanic that makes your win loss streak not just affect your MMR or visible ELO (which would be fine) but matchmaking. So now if you are on a nice tear in ranked Riot has to put gates in place to check for smurfs like some kind of nightclub bouncer.

"All right kid, you're not getting in unless you are a smurf. Who's gonna stop you? These four other dudes right here who are on a losing streak and hard tilted."

p.s. most trolls are not punished because we don't as a community make it a point to report for trolling. Riot has a system in place so that things like verbal harassment, racism, etc are more punishable than trolling. So if they are trolls the volume has to be there to get them punished. So whenever someone is making your life hell, report it. In the past month I've received 3 of those immediate feedback notifications you get when Riot has warned or punished someone you recently reported. Feels good man.

Terozu2 votes

Ummm this directly contradicts Riots policies on player behavior. Its poorly articulated. Its poorly thought out. And its clear you have no actual clue what you're talking about.

Whisper871 votes

That's kind of my point. Riot doesn't have enough in their policy to target trolls or people who are just making the game less fun for others. I mean the vast majority of bans come out from like very bad toxicity like telling people to go kill themselves or racial slurs.

Riot needs to be less of a business and more of a proprietor of sportsmanship. Due to it's popularity, Riot should be taking sportsmanship as seriously as people do in traditional sports, and handing down bans accordingly. Smurfs trolling cuz they don't care, people playing like idiots because they are autofilled to support and are counting it as a throw away game. These kinds of behaviors need to start being nearly as impactful toward their ban rating as harassment is.

Terozu2 votes

The problem is you're wrong. Those people do get punished it just takes longer. People get tilted. People do stupid things. They are human. Reporting inting and trolling has the same effect as reporting harrasment and flaming. Theres no need to ID ban everyone who gets permabanned.

Whisper871 votes

We as a society need to stop licensing people to act like assholes on the internet. The anonymity of the internet is supposed to be something where you can share thoughts or ideas without being ostracized, not a tool for you to be toxic to others and not feel any sort of guilt or repercussions.

If you were down at the park playing a pick up game of basketball, you wouldn't start mouthing off to your teammates cuz they'd jack you up, verbally or physically, or refuse to let you play with them. If you wouldn't do it in a casual game of ball you shouldn't do it in a casual game of League.

So if a report for trolling gives you say 5 points towards the 80 you need to be banned, where as harassment gives you 20. The trolling and refusing to cooperate, negativity, etc, all those reports need to be boosted up to like 10-15. Close that gap a bit. Make people understand that trying to make someone feel like shit is not that different from disrespecting them and making their game experience shit.

Also if you put all accounts under one ID you don't need to permaban anymore. You just have long ones. Like maybe a 4-6 month one.

Terozu2 votes

Your first two paragraphs make no sense. Riot doesnt liscense it nor do we as a society. Trolls are still going to troll regardless.

Third one also makes no sense. Its not a points system. No reports worth more than the others with the sole exception of AFK, which does nothing. Reporting for inting and reporting for flaming have equal effect. When you're reported its checked for validity. If its valid you are penalized. First a warning then no talking then temp ban then full ban.

And your last paragraph is flat out contradictory. You want better punishments but are asking to make permas not permas. Theyre supposed to be a "start from scratch" punishment. Linking accounts is a bad idea has no actual use and is overall stupid.

Whisper871 votes

  1. Lack of punishment for a behavior is basically licensing that behavior.

  2. I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one Red post on the boards indicating that something like calling someone a racial slur is more likely to get you banned than trolling. My point is this should not be the case, toxicity is toxicity is toxicity.

  3. The 6 month ID ban over a permanent account ban is with the idea that you should not be allowed to participate in the community until you can respect other members of said community. If you never come back, good riddance.

Terozu2 votes
  1. People get punished for being ass holes online, its hard to do doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
  2. 0 tolerance phrases such as hate speech death threats or encouraging suicide will get you banned quicker becayse its more severe than normal flaming. Not because its harrasment. The trolling equivalent is running it down mod and going 0/50/0. You misinterpreted it.
  3. You have no fucking clue how punishments like bans actually effect players.
Whisper871 votes

Here's my thought process:

We are looking too much at the result. Like "go kill yourself" is more harmful to a person than trolling said person. My idea is go to the source.

Whichever asshole thing person X did, it came from the same place of being vindictive and wanting to hurt another person. It's just a matter of how far they are will to go and how much they care about their win. We need to target that. Let them know that as long as they have that persistent vindictive nature, they are not welcome to participate in our esports.

HIt em' where it hurts. NFL or NBA players who are unsportsmanlike get suspended or get fined. Let's do the same. Except the ban does both because you are obviously not enjoying the cosmetics you spent your money on if you are banned, so that's effectively the fine.

Also, I'll admit I have no idea how bans affect players. I'd love for you to hit me with some facts for sure! I do know that this site and Reddit are full of complaints about how don't work cuz people just play on their smurfs or make new accounts and very quickly become toxic again.

The long term ID bans would give a period for reform, then come back. And let's say when you come back you are on like a probationary period for a month where reports have more impact than they would before the ban. It's like a time out for a child. You don't get to participate, now when you can be nice, you may join us. Maybe people don't like being treated like children. If so, they can be respectful of the community members, or they can quit. I imagine you were gonna say that if you give them ID bans for 4-6 months most of those players will just quit. Good riddance.

Hellmaximus12 votes

First of all, ISP wont work because of colleges, and why in the hell would you trust riot with information regarding license or SSN? These are the people who got hundreds of thousand of user information compromised and didn't tell anyone for 6+ months after the guy had sold most of the data.

NocturnalSheild1 votes

Isp account number? What?

If you move you will more then likely be forced to get a new ISP. Not to mention theres like 500 of them.

And riot would have to convince ALL of them to work with them so they could verify accounts.

Its a decent idea buy almost impossible to implement.

Whisper871 votes

Ok, back to Social Security number it is LOL. Just kidding.

My idea with ISP was that if you move you have to update your account again once you get internet set up at your new place.

The answer really might be to do like Korea does and tie it to some form of public ID.

NocturnalSheild2 votes

That IS flat out impossible. The goverment doesnt give out your SSN. Amd neither should you.

Identity theft is huge in america. Do you really want a random game company with what is basically the most important thing a person has?

Edit: also korea does used SSN. Ive had to...obtain a couple to play monster hunter frontier

Whisper871 votes

How about this? Credit or Debit card number.

You don't have to buy anything with it, just register it. So that way you number of rerolls is capped by number of credit cards you have?

And that's info you're gonna give anyway if you plan on buying anything ever.

CanadianGuyEh1 votes

"MOOOOOM. I NEED ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR CREDIT CARDS. MOOOOOM"

It would not really work for those who don't own a credit card (Like most high schoolers and under) and I know some people who have been down on their luck and they don't even have a credit card.

Whisper871 votes

OK, open up a free checking account and get a Debit card to go with it. Boom, problem solved.

Hμghes2 votes

Meanwhile in Reality: With the Toxic Level that is currently in league, riot would loose probably 80%+ of their Playerbase if they would implement something that is close to "one account per person".

Games dead, Servers shut down, GG EZ

Whisper871 votes

You really think 80% of people would quit if you could only play ranked on one account at a time?

Also remember you'd be able to switch it, it would just take a few minutes to switch it over to one of your other accounts?

I have been playing this game since just after the first World tournament and have only 1 smurf account. I just don't see that most people care enough about smurfing to make them stop playing the game all together if it was just a little work.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

I'm with NocturnalShield here, it's a really good idea, but difficult to implement.

If you can come up with a way to implement it that would be more feasible then you will have my full support!

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