Devil's advocate on chat bans

Moooose3··2 votes·942 views

Let me play devil's advocate for a second: Personally I think the only reason you should be banned is if you cheat or intentionally feed/leave games. I'm not toxic myself but find it stupid how people care what random people online say. Riot should just let people mute them and move on, not ban people for speaking their mind. It's a competitive game with random teams, sometimes people aren't going to agree and when people care about the game and their rank as a whole people are gonna get pissed off when teammates under perform. I don't think banning those who are toxic really changes anything. They will still be type A controlling highly competitive people who get mad when teams do badly, there's nothing you can do about it. And if you say there's a difference between cursing at your teams and telling them to do better well not exactly the only reason curse words are bad is because of the stigma surrounding them from people saying not to use them. People who are toxic will continue to be toxic, maybe even more so because of a banned account (just look at tyler1) and those who aren't toxic won't won't be affected either. I think riot should get rid of banning people for speaking their mind and instead focus on more important stuff like leavers, afkers, intentional feeders, that just ruin the game forever. You can always mute a toxic teammate if you don't want to hear them talk, and people have freedom of speech to say what they want. Regardless people shouldn't care what random people say on a video game. It's the same as on xbox or ps4 you have people talking shit calling eachother %%%gots all the time, they don't get banned because it is an inevitable part of online gaming where you can say what you want, to whomever you want, whenever you want. Banning these people doesn't achieve the goal Riot wants it to and personally I think it just adds a lot of frustration which just feeds into people being more toxic. The only reason they punish this is as a marketing decision to make their game reach a broader audience by becoming a family atmosphere. Which doesn't even make sense because half the people talking shit in the community are 12 year olds in the first place, and they don't need special catering to because they're a huge part of the problem themselves. Regardless of this, xbox and playstation both lack a language filter besides the mute button which honestly is a lot harder to find than on a league client, and they still have millions of kids playing on it every day. The whole summoner's code idea was cute when the game first started and wasn't too popular, but now that millions of people play the game, in a giant age demographic, I think it is outdated and needs to be changed. This along with times and society changing in general with curse words becoming more accepted because of pop culture I think calls for Riot changing this part of their game because what started as a business opportunity to reach a new market has turned into a hindrance on a larger part of the community than it is helping, without really accomplishing anything. I don't think that banning them does anything. I don't understand why for toxic players it goes beyond chat bans honestly. Maybe restrict them to 2 or something idk but I don't think banning them does anything to fix the problem. Plus I think that part of the reason people don't care anymore is because they think that the other person is going to be banned, and they're pissed somebody talks shit and talk shit back because they think theyre right and the other person will be banned. If banning wasn't an option I'd be curious to see if people having petty arguments in chat would go up or down. Personally I think without the incentive of the other person being banned they'll fall at least like 20%. Again this is just my opinion please feel free to comment if you disagree.

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Desolas Arterius12 votes

Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom of Consequences. Freedom of Speech means the Government cannot take away your right to speak out against anything. You are free to "speak your mind", but that does not prevent you from being punished should what you say be any form of harassment.

If you go into a game and call someone a "shit-eating n*g %%%" for example, that is not speaking your mind nor is it productive or necessary to the game. There is literally no reason for that type of behavior to be allowed or encouraged in any setting.

I get trying to be the Devil's Advocate here, but toxic behavior is just as disruptive towards games as is intent feeding and AFKing. There is no online community that tolerates that type of behavior. Even "private" servers will kick you if you act like an asshole and don't change.

Being frustrated is one thing, being an asshole is another.

Moooose31 votes

Have you ever played on playstation or xbox? Literally the entire voice chat is people calling eachother %%%s. It's kinda how it is, why people get so offended by what random people say is beyond me.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo7 votes

why people speak and treat each other that way is beyond me... oh its cuz no one has every been hit in the fukin mouth

Desolas Arterius4 votes

I have both systems, trust me I know. But you know what? You can still report those players and they can get restrictions because of it. Players using that type of language can receive plenty of punishments and restrictions. Voice coms is not immune to enforcement. There are still Codes of Conduct you have to follow for every game and the systems you play it on. So using that as an example of "accepted behavior" is completely false.

More information on Xbox Reputation System.

Xbox Live Suspensions.

Xbox Enforcement Myths.

Playstation Ban and Suspension information.

Playstation Code of Conduct.

Moooose31 votes

The difference is how often do you see anybody on playstation or xbox actually get banned cuz of that. Acually never. There are "rules" but they're actually never followed in the slightest. I've cursed out millions of people on xbox nothing has ever happened. Why voice and text are any different is beyond me.

Desolas Arterius3 votes

The thing is, those numbers are not posted on a bulletin board for everyone to see who got banned or punished.

But that does not mean that no one gets punished for it. You don't know because there is no way for you to know. You don't know if they got a chat restriction, or if they just got off a suspension. Same as in league.

This applies to every company. They may put out figures time to time, but we don't have that data on hand to make these kinds of assumptions.

The rules are set in place. If you choose to break them you can get punished for it or have your account revoked. That doesn't mean it happens immediately, and most companies are okay on people cursing, but that does not mean you don't run the risk of being punished in the future.

It's best to just avoid that type of behavior in general in order to not get your account revoked.

jpguy9021 votes

I have two banned xbox live accounts. The both were banned between 2009-2011 when I was in highschool. It was strictly because I would say the most terrible things i could think of to people.

Swiftstrike45 votes

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Have you ever played on playstation or xbox? Literally the entire voice chat is people calling eachother %%%s. It's kinda how it is, why people get so offended by what random people say is beyond me.

I guess the real question is why is this the normative behavior by people on the internet? It isn't the normative behavior in society. How I see it, if you are unlikely to say the same things to the person's face, in person, than you probably shouldn't exhibit the same type of behavior online.

Anonymity and the lack of severe repercussion is why people behave that way. I mean have multiple tiers of restrictions too.

I think the chat restriction is pretty minimal compared to a permanent ban and probably riot doesn't permanently ban people enough.

You "expressing yourself" in a game, that people play for fun, is likely inhibiting the play experience of the players around you. You also may say enough cruel things to discourage people from playing in the future, which riot does NOT want. They do not want the community to be terrible to other players within it.

For the most part I think Xbox and PS are pretty tame compared to this community and I have played a lot of different games with different levels of toxicity over my 15 years or so of playing video games. League is by far the worst community.

Yes, there is the mute button, but you also have the option of not being a complete asshole, which for some reason you feel entitled to do?

Moooose31 votes

Again I think the bigger problem is the entire community being filled with this oversensitive and entitled generation.

Swiftstrike43 votes

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Again I think the bigger problem is the entire community being filled with this oversensitive and entitled generation.

I completely disagree. I think the community is filled with too many complete assholes and trolls and it completely deters people that are new or learning a relatively complex game from continuing to play.

I tried to introduce this game to two other friends and both stopped playing. It wasn't due to the complexity of the game, the grind, or the length of games: they quit because while they were learning they kept running into complete assholes. That's a problem.

Now I am use to this community, but if poor behavior is deterring new players from picking of the game I think that means that the mute button does not solve the problem of people being rude. Why do people need to type cruel things at all. Sometimes the best thing is to type it out and just not send it.

Maybe you have largely been desensitized to inappropriate behavior, I don't know. But you should behave online and offline, for the most part similarly. How is feeling entitled to say whatever you feel like online not the same thing as what you are complaining about people in general being entitled and overly sensitive?

Are you incapable of not being an asshole online?

KORGtuners1 votes

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I completely disagree. I think the community is filled with too many complete assholes and trolls and it completely deters people that are new or learning a relatively complex game from continuing to play.

I tried to introduce this game to two other friends and both stopped playing. It wasn't due to the complexity of the game, the grind, or the length of games: they quit because while they were learning they kept running into complete assholes. That's a problem.

The majority of the "assholes" are only there because Riot banned them. The new player experience gets totally wrecked by "smurfs".

Moooose31 votes

That is exactly what I'm saying. Assholes are going to be there regardless, with millions of players its inevitable. But the problem that I see is by banning people all you do is get them to make a new account, and they deter new players from joining because they're better in skill level and talk shit because they're mad their first account was banned, and that they're stuck in low elo again. I'm not saying it's ok or shouldn't be frowned upon, but banning these people just makes the problem even worse by ruining the experiences of new players. I'm not even toxic in game I actually turned my chat off just because I really don't care what my teammates talk about becuase 99% of the time it's not productive. But I still think that if you're going to ban somebody, ban the IP so they can't just make a new account. If banning is your solution, do it right.

I agree that new players being deterred from playing is a problem, and I would love for that to be fixed becuase that has happened to me as well, but I think banning toxic players and forcing them to make a new account is probably at least somewhat causing this.

Moooose31 votes

It's some random guy on the internet who really cares what they say. I think banning should be limited to people who intentionally ruin the game for their teammates. There's a mute button for toxic people, sadly there's no button you can press to make your intentionally feeding or afk teammates go away. Ban things that can't be fixed with the click of a button, don't waste your time banning things that will never go away.

Swiftstrike43 votes

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I think banning should be limited to people who intentionally ruin the game for their teammates.

Yeah and by typing terrible things to people, you are ruining the game for your teammates or opponents. Which is bannable. Just because we have an option to mute you doesn't mean I should have to automatically mute players at the beginning of the game or after the first rude comment. You also do realize people of all age levels play this and how children and adults respond to people's on the internet is very different. Just because YOU don't think it is a problem being from some random on the internet doesn't mean OTHERS would not perceive it as a problem.

The norm of the league community is don't be an asshole. Being an asshole through actions and communication in game ruins player experience and should be banned.

Moooose31 votes

It's a competitive videogame with millions of users, do you really think assholes can be avoided?

Swiftstrike41 votes

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It's a competitive videogame with millions of users, do you really think assholes can be avoided?

No, but I think chat restrictions should be longer on the second offense. Probably two months. I also think they Most people that suffer the first offense often go to the second. I think toxic people do get weeded out through the ban system.

A banned player may create a new account on the first go, but leveling it up again and avoiding being toxic is going to be pretty difficult for them. They will probably get that account permanently banned as well if they don't reform. If they were toxic with average player at whatever elo they were at, they will probably be toxic on their new account with new players.

KORGtuners1 votes

I would love to see an example of a "nice frustrated person".

There is literally no reason for that type of behavior to be allowed or encouraged in any setting.

Encouraged? No. Allowed? Yes. People that are angry, lose the ability to think efficiently. It is literally hard wired in our brains. AKA natural. Do you really think punishing someone with the inability to think is going to be effective?

Desolas Arterius3 votes

Hardwired into our brains? No. Being an asshole is not natural. Being angry is natural, because that is a human emotion. Being an asshole and berating your team is not natural.

Being angry because you lost is fine. No one says you can't be angry you lost. But you CANNOT take that anger and frustration out on your allies or opponents. That is crossing the line and is not allowed.

Players are not being punished for being angry. Players are being punished for harassing other players whether it be verbal or nonverbal. This includes hate speech, toxic behavior, and griefing.

And if you want an example of a "nice frustrated player", go look at Maximillian_ from the Fighting Game community. He admits he can get salty and gets legitimately frustrated when playing sometimes. But you know what he doesn't do? Take out his frustration on his allies and enemies. He does not berate or belittle them for his own failings. He remains polite and does not shit on others just because they "played bad".

KORGtuners1 votes

You misread.

People that are angry, lose the ability to think efficiently.

This is very literal.

But you know what he doesn't do?

I'm interested in what he does do. Does he curse to himself? Does his ability to think diminish? Is he more irrational? Does he hit his controller? Does he smile?

Desolas Arterius2 votes

Losing the ability to think is not an excuse to call someone a "f*gt".

It doesn't matter what he does to himself. What matters is that he doesn't take out his anger or frustration on other players. People cope with anger differently, whether it be punching pillows, taking deep breaths, or yelling.

What you are NOT supposed to do to cope with anger is take it out on other living beings. Whether it be animals or humans. That is abuse and it is not tolerated anywhere.

If you need to talk to someone to vent your anger, that's fine. But venting does not mean you go "You're a fucking piece of shit" to the person listening. Venting is "I messed up bad and it makes me so angry!".

KORGtuners1 votes

Losing the ability to think is not an excuse to call someone a "f*gt".

It is not an excuse. It is the actual reason.

It doesn't matter what he does to himself.

Yes it does. Someone whom hits themselves is not being nice to themselves.

What you are NOT supposed to do to cope with anger is take it out on other living beings.

Key word is supposed. Also, go up to your second quote. Are you yourself not a living being? Are you really going to say it is ok to harm yourself?

Venting is People cope with anger differently

Desolas Arterius2 votes

At this point I'm losing brain cells trying to comprehend why you're defending toxic behavior and thinking it's A-Okay to call anyone online a "f*gt".

Please, be my guest and go use that excuse of "I was angry so I wasn't able to think!".

I guarantee you that you wont get far anywhere.

Moooose31 votes

Personally I'm losing brain cells wondering why you think it's bad to call somebody a %%%got on the internet. Are you really that easily offended? People say offensive shit sometimes get used to it.

Moooose31 votes

Regardless he's not defending it or saying it's ok, he's just saying when people get angry they do stupid shit, which is a completely valid statement. You should probably learn to read

KORGtuners1 votes

Because you are unable to comprehend my true intentions.

I am not defending toxic behavior. Nor do I think it is A-Okay.

I am trying to explain to you that you are not solving the problem correctly. You need to address why people are getting angry and being toxic. Not the anger and toxicity itself. Preventing the disease.

Desolas Arterius2 votes

Okay. I want you to read this carefully. Don't stop reading to start writing up your response. Read this fully, because you are clearly misunderstanding everything going on here:

You do not need to address why people get angry or toxic. Every individual gets upset and responds to something differently. What you can address is how they respond to such emotions and how to teach those prone to getting upset to not take out that anger on others.

You cannot teach players who berate their team out of frustration to not do that if you do not tell them no. This is why punishment for rude behavior has to exist. While the punishment severity can differ, players still have to receive some type of punishment for their behavior in order to learn to not do that again.

If a child sticks his hand in a fire and it doesn't burn him, do you think he's going to stop? It is because the fire hurts him that he learns not to do it. This is how it's always been. This is why these punishments exist; to deter from continuing this behavior or following suit.

Players have to take accountability for their emotions and poor self-control when they receive punishment for rude behavior. Saying "I was angry so I wasn't thinking clearly" does not prevent you from receiving consequences. It doesn't matter if you were angry, sad, happy, or whatever. Your actions come with consequences, positive or negative.

If you were not defending toxic behavior, then much of this conversation wouldn't exist. But because you seem quite intent on saying "It's okay for others to be rude to one another because they're just angry", then that is why this is an issue. This whole thread has been about people accepting the consequences of their poor behavior. You cannot go around online calling others disgusting things and not expect some kind of consequence for that behavior. You may have "the right" to say it, but that does not absolve you from receiving punishment or negative reactions for whatever you said or did. Especially since it is clearly stated in the Code of Conduct "to not be a dick to others", so to say.

There are no excuses for poor behavior. You are responsible for your own actions, and deflecting responsibility will not protect you, nor allow you to grow as an individual into a mature, respectable person.

KORGtuners1 votes

You do not need to address why people get angry or toxic.

Then you will never prevent anger and toxicity.

Every individual gets upset and responds to something differently.

Remove the cause and there is no response.

What you can address is how they respond to such emotions and how to teach those prone to getting upset to not take out that anger on others.

You can not teach someone that is already angry. Scientifically proven, angry people have trouble learning.

You cannot teach players who berate their team out of frustration to not do that if you do not tell them no.

Once again, you can not teach frustrated people. It does not work. Teach them before they become angry.

players still have to receive some type of punishment for their behavior in order to learn to not do that again.

Says who? The terms you are looking for are "positive and negative reinforcement". Punishment is negative reinforcement. There is the opposite side. Positive reinforcement. Maybe there is also "neutral reinforcement"? Contemplation? Eh I don't know.

If a child sticks his hand in a fire and it doesn't burn him, do you think he's going to stop? It is because the fire hurts him that he learns not to do it.

There is also the part where putting your hand in fire accomplishes nothing positive. Being toxic does have positive side effects. It is called venting. AKA stress relief. Also, yelling at someone won't usually end your life. Jumping in a fire has a really good chance.

Your actions come with consequences, positive or negative.

This includes the person dishing out punishment.

But because you seem quite intent on saying "It's okay for others to be rude to one another because they're just angry"

Quote me.

There are no excuses for poor behavior. You are responsible for your own actions, and deflecting responsibility will not protect you, nor allow you to grow as an individual into a mature, respectable person.

I'm not deflecting responsibility. I'm saying teach people how to react before they react; not after they react. After they react, it is already too late. Before they react, prevents the behavior.

Analogy time!

You develop a rash (toxic). You put a cream (punishment) on the rash. The rash (toxic) goes away (ban), The rash (toxic) comes back (new account). You put more cream (punishment) on. You can keep putting on cream (punishment) or you can prevent rash (toxic) from happening in the first place.

PS. I did read your comments fully without starting my own responses.

TrulyBland3 votes

You want an example of a nice frustrated person: Parents, teachers, really anybody dealing with kids. People being frustrated beyond belief but still trying their best to be friendly to a child that just doesn't know better is not exactly rare.

Which brings me to the next point: Self control is just as natural as what you describe. In fact it is the necessary counterweight to ensure that humans don't kill each other off of minor arguments. Learning to control the urges we consider natural is what makes the society we live in possible.

And as for effectivity: Would you punish somebody for killing another person in a fit of rage? Because the exact same logic applies, he was no longer capable of thinking efficiently due to something hard wired in his brain. Ultimately, even when we think that somebody really is incapable of learning how to control themselves, we try to limit their abilities to commit the same crime over and over again. When it comes to the most violent crimes we remove them from society as a whole (life in prison, death penalty, institutionalization). When it comes to traffic related incidents, they get their driver's license revoked. And when it comes to League of Legends, we permaban them.

KORGtuners1 votes

You want an example of a nice frustrated person: Parents, teachers, really anybody dealing with kids.

In what way are they being nice? Grounding? Time outs? Yelling? Spanking? Maybe there is a way to be frustrated and nice but you haven't given an example.

Learning to control the urges we consider natural is what makes the society we live in possible.

How is someone going to learn when they are incapable of thinking properly? They simply can not. This is why I suggest you try to fix behavioral problems when people are calm rather than angry.

Would you punish somebody for killing another person in a fit of rage?

Thankfully, I have not come across this situation. However, there are examples. Jesus Christ maybe? The Buddha. Arguably, people ruled legally insane? Examples of murder going unpunished.

And as for effectivity

So thousands of years of this punishment system in society, still to this day there are people breaking the laws and even repeat offenders. How many years of league with the same punishment system, and still to this day there are people breaking the rules and repeat offenders. Yea, I'm going to argue is it ineffective.

TrulyBland2 votes

So you have never been frustrated in a scenario with a small child that didn't require punishing them in some form? Either you have only had amazing experiences with little children or you are a psychopath. It's not a rare thing that children do things that are frustrating to adults, even though the children don't understand the problem. In such situations any reasonable adult will first try to explain the problem, rather than just start with yelling or spanking them.

And not being able to think properly is not the same as not being capable of thinking at all. When you are angry you don't instantly turn back into a caveman, and even if you did, you would still be capable of very basic logical conclusions, such as that your behaviour and actions brought something bad upon you. Fun fact: That kind of pattern recognition and instinctive change of behaviour is actually hard-wired into our brain.

And are you honestly saying that the legal system has no influence on crime rates? Or are you just saying it's "ineffective" because it's not a magical tool to remove crime completely? You might as well argue that medicine is ineffective, because some people still die to illness.

KORGtuners1 votes

So you have never been frustrated in a scenario with a small child that didn't require punishing them in some form?

I don't like the word "require". I don't get to redo the past and see how it would be different. Therefore, how do I really know what is required? I can give you an example of positive and negative reinforcements.

When I was a child, I behaved very poorly in school. The school gave me detentions, time outs, you name it. I was still behaving poorly. My parents decided to bribe me. They said if I behaved the entire week they would take me to the movies. It worked! For months, I was well behaved. When they stopped taking me to the movies, I started getting in trouble again.

When you are angry you don't instantly turn back into a caveman, and even if you did, you would still be capable of very basic logical conclusions, such as that your behaviour and actions brought something bad upon you.

I'm not so sure. At what time are these conclusions being conceived would be the question. Is the person realizing they did wrong while they are angry, or after they have calmed? If you have any sources I would be interested in reading them. Kind of brings up a following argument. Does intelligence effect empathy?

KORGtuners1 votes

So you have never been frustrated in a scenario with a small child that didn't require punishing them in some form?

I don't like the word "require". I don't get to redo the past and see how it would be different. Therefore, how do I really know what is required? I can give you an example of positive and negative reinforcements.

When I was a child, I behaved very poorly in school. The school gave me detentions, time outs, you name it. I was still behaving poorly. My parents decided to bribe me. They said if I behaved the entire week they would take me to the movies. It worked! For months, I was well behaved. When they stopped taking me to the movies, I started getting in trouble again.

When you are angry you don't instantly turn back into a caveman, and even if you did, you would still be capable of very basic logical conclusions, such as that your behaviour and actions brought something bad upon you.

I'm not so sure. At what time are these conclusions being conceived would be the question. Is the person realizing they did wrong while they are angry, or after they have calmed? If you have any sources I would be interested in reading them. Kind of brings up a following argument. Does intelligence effect empathy?

And are you honestly saying that the legal system has no influence on crime rates? Or are you just saying it's "ineffective" because it's not a magical tool to remove crime completely?

It is very hard to speculate. I can say, that punishment does not deter criminals. That part is obvious.

However, does it actually deter decent people from being criminal? I don't have proof but I am leaning towards "decent people will be decent regardless of rules or punishment." The reason is because I have seen cases were people can knowingly get away with crimes but they still choose not to. The problem is, are they really decent people, or are they afraid of a higher power "god"?

You might as well argue that medicine is ineffective, because some people still die to illness.

Some medicine prevents illness though. That medicine is effective.

Sorry for the edit. I meant to break my replies up but messed up.

Narsicus3 votes

Are you sure you want to take that mindset into any other situations? The 'I was angry and lost control of my emotions therefore I can not be held responsible for any of my actions' mindset? Are people EVER responsible for their actions if this is the case?

It is true, people will get angry and while they can take steps beforehand to try to mitigate some of this tension it would be unreasonable to expect that no one ever gets angry or upset in a competitive game. However people are always responsible for their actions, being angry thus being 'unable to help myself' is no excuse. After all if you consistently get upset and act completely irrationally with an 'inability to think' and no regard to any consequences you MAY want to look into that and see if anger might be a real problem in your life.

So yes, people should be held responsible for their actions regardless of their emotional state.

KORGtuners1 votes

Emotionally, I don't think it is a good idea to give free will to all these people.

Logically, they already have the free will.

Spiritually, every single religion I have done research into, has said "live and let live, God will take care of the rest."

I don't think people are ever not responsible for their actions. The issue is human beings want instant justice. They absolutely love "eye for an eye".

Kei1437 votes

wall of text too stronk.

I has been K.O.ed

nerak233 votes

That is exactly what I'm saying. Assholes are going to be there regardless

I respectfully disagree with you !!

NO ONE has to be an Ass, one choices to do so!

Moooose31 votes

Nobody HAS to be an ass, but sadly there will be asses everywhere. In a community with millions of players there are going to be a bunch of assholes. It's just statistically going to happen.

venomous frost1 votes

I think you are the 12 year old here, since that was the only thing I could read from that wall of text.

Never made an essay or paper? formatting is key! Paragraphs, white spaces, subtitles,...

Moooose31 votes

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venomous frost5 votes

also, freedom of speech means that the government can not jail you for speaking out loud, it doesn't mean you can say whatever you want and people have to put up with your sht.

In this case, riot owns your account, so if you do not follow their terms and conditions,...

Moooose31 votes

agreed sorry for the confusion.

Moooose31 votes

Guess you didn't read the edit... Maybe next time I'll put some pictures in it for you to make it easier to read ;p

My Sea Cow1 votes

Where I agree that some thing should not be permitted a ban, but if someone is screaming "f you...your whole family should die of cancer...hope you get murdered....hope your family burns to the ground" or something awful like that, then yes, they deserve a ban and in no way is just muting them the way to go. There's a difference between being frustrated and taking it out on team mates and just being an a hole.

Moooose32 votes

I mean I agree there's a difference but why not just mute the person. If people are that sensitive to what random people say online, and care what enraged 12 year olds say when they don't get their way they probably shouldn't be playing an online videogame. Regardless, I'm talking more about getting banned for people calling teammates bad or talking shit to the other team which I don't think is warranted and could be solved simply by muting them. I would be more than willing to fix it but still ban those who are just total dicks in the community. Or maybe remove their chat entirely now that smart pings are a thing and you can show gold/items/summoners with pings now.

Zielmann3 votes

What benefit does berating allies have? How does it contribute to winning?

I'd actually assess the 'toxic' and 'complaining' people opposite to what you have.

The people 'complaining' about it actually care about the game. They want to win, and they recognize that somebody going in and berating their teammates is only going to put them at a disadvantage, and sabotage their chances of winning. It's not that they can't handle what's being said or that they feel personally offended by things strangers say on the internet (in most cases).

The people who are 'toxic' and flaming allies for poor play might claim that 'they just want to win and are taking it seriously'. But they're the ones actively sabotaging their own team's chances of winning. They don't understand the mental aspect of the game enough to realize that. And they're just being outright disrespectful.

The mental aspect of the game is exactly why the ability to mute isn't sufficient. The damage is already done, and mentality on the team is already ruined (and not just the mentality of the one toxic player).

Riot gives people plenty of chances to realize this. And a vast majority of players who find themselves serving a chat restriction reform their behavior and never get punished again. The permabans only go out in cases where a player continues with unsportsmanlike conduct even after multiple warnings that what they're doing is not okay. (Not counting the cases where behavior is severe enough to skip to a permanent ban).

My Sea Cow1 votes

No I do agree you should mute the person, but that person should also be reprimanded for it. As for just calling a teammate bad....no that's silly...sure, if I"m having an off day I may get offended a bit if someone is on my case about playing bad but I"ll mute and move on....I won't report unless they start actually saying that I said above. Calling me bad, saying I suck or whatever...if I go 0/5 in lane, I know I suck for that game lol.

Taking away chat though? We need communication in this game...even with smart pings I still think being able to communicate...I mean I just started back up after about 5 months off or so, so correct me if I"m wrong, but is there a smart ping for laner's flash? or heal? or their ult? Being able to type that is huge IMO.

But I do definitely agree with you that banning someone or punishing someone just because saying someone is bad is a bit overkill. I wish maybe instead if you block the person, it really prevents you from playing games with them, but sadly people would abuse that and block everyone but people that dominated XD

Moooose31 votes

Umm yes there is a ping for all of that...

KORGtuners1 votes

So if you mute someone, they literally can not say anything toxic to you.

Problem solved. Why are we escalating?

Moooose31 votes

thats kinda my point. It's retarded just mute somebody.... rly not hard

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