Leavebuster automatic is absurd

XXX3M·Oct 23, 2018·3 votes·1,483 views

Ok I understand punishment and I'm not running or denying. But this is just silly. My last game power went off and I manged to return into game and we win. I apologized to my tram, they were cool. This automatic restriction is ridiculous. Ofc now I got to wait some time to get in Q for a few games.

I had problems in past with power and internet so this is not first time I get this. I'm honor 5 player this and last season. Don't flame or argue with my team.

My problem is that I returned into game, won a game, apologized to my team and after game I get leavebuster penality... just why

22 Comments

SonicAFOct 23, 20185 votes

Quite surprisingly, I agree. If you come back and win you shouldn't get a loss. Otherwise you are disincentivized to come back.

XXX3MOct 23, 20183 votes

I forgot to add, returned in game and still lost LP after we win, like wtf... are u serious Riot

VoldymortOct 23, 20181 votes

did you submit a ticket?

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

I didn't because I never done it before. I will probably do it as soon as I find how to do it.

XidphelOct 23, 20181 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

VoldymortOct 23, 20181 votes

you should probably do that first instead of complaining on the forums. look at the top of this page and click on the tab that says "support"

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

Just made a thicket..

Will post here result.

zPOOPzOct 23, 20183 votes

My problem is that I returned into game, won a game, apologized to my team and after game I get leavebuster penality... just why

What happen if you returned to the game and still lose the game? Do you take the lost and not get LB penalty? Or do you just take the lost and get LB penalty?

If the criteria to returning to the game and not get LB'd is winning the game, that is would be absurd because you get to afk for more than 5 minutes forcing your team to hard carry 4v5 not knowing if you will be back or not and you get no penalty for it. Is this fair to the team?

If simply returning to the game, apologize to the team and not get LB'd win or lose, that would be abused all to hell. A troll can just afk for 10-15 minutes to make sure his team lose, reconnect, pretend to apologize to team and get no LB penalty? Is that fair?

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

I don't work at riot, but from my view and system now in place, if u dc'd etc. why should u return to a game if no matter what u do u get penality and loss. I'm sure my team didn't report me because they were supportive to me in chat.

We were winning hard, so hard that my team could ez win without me, I played ryze and roamed bot, we aced them took tower, and they I lost power. I returned took two towers and Baron, we won game in 2 min.... This was flex Q so balance is trash here... my team could 3v5 so easy but that is not point.

Point is why should anybody return next time if this happends. Ofc I will return always to help my team, it's not their fault.

zPOOPzOct 23, 20182 votes

My point is where does it ends? With what criteria are you allowed to dodge LB penalty?

Are you allowed to dodge LB penalty by the mere fact that you returned? A troll can afk for 10-15 minutes to put his team behind without him having to stay in the game and risk a ban from feederbuster or IFS and return to dodge LB penalty?

Are you allowed to dodge LB penalty because you returned and win? This doesn't seem fair to those who returned but lost anyway.

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

As I said to one gentleman above, my opinions is if u return and win u shouldn't get reward but u shouldn't be punished.

What happened to me was pure system restrict. When u troll or leave your team reports u, in my case my team was reasonable and good to me after I came back, they didn't report me. They were supportive as they should be.

When u do bad things in game, insulting or trolling that is other thing, people report u and u get punishment. This is automatic system restrict.

zPOOPzOct 23, 20181 votes

So what happen if you return and lose? You get the lost but you shouldn't be punished? Or still punished?

XXX3MOct 23, 20182 votes

This is my opinion, If u return and lose u get punished by a loss of LP and leavebuster if u win a game u don't gain LP and because u returned u don't have leavebuster penality

that seems fair to me, ofc if u flame and leave on puropse and your team reports u after game even tho u returned and won that is for punishment no matter what..

zPOOPzOct 23, 20182 votes

How is that fair? That's inconsistency in punishment. If you (the team) win, you don't get punished by LB. If you (the team) lose, you do get punished by LB?

Winning or losing has never and will never be the deciding factor in any punishment. Not the IFS. Not the feederbuster. Not the LB.

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

Then legit you have no reason to come back in a game and help team...

In my case power went down for a min and a half, then till my PC truned on. I was back in game to help. That should count something. Now u dc or reagequit it is same, literally zero reason to come back, except to help ur team.

Doesn't matter, I finished my q buster.. I will always return in game, but its kinda waste of time. Same result u back or not.

J0hnJ0estarOct 23, 20181 votes

Yes it is, and i hate it! I can understand punishing people for leaving etc, that why it's needed...

"Punishing" people because of connections issues or power going off like in your case is kinda borderline, but needed, otherwise it's gonna be abused.

And then... Giving low priority queue because of problems within the client (which is always why i get "punished" btw, i would never dodge or leave intentionally and pc/connections are fine too) is simply stupid, imho.

I'm not an expert, so i just hope they'll find a way to distinguish people who actually need the punishment and simple victims that happen to have bad luck for 2/3 games and then find themself in low priority queue...

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

I know.

I just wrote it on boards for people to see, didn't know before that system was set like that.

It doesn't affect me much, I don't care for LP loss or leavebuster, what grinds my gears is that there is nothing positive to make player return into game like that aside from caring for people playing with you that game.

I played with nice people, but what if 2 of them were feeders and trash talkers, I bet I wouldn't try to return in game like that... non would

SubdueOct 23, 20181 votes

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I know.

I just wrote it on boards for people to see, didn't know before that system was set like that.

It doesn't affect me much, I don't care for LP loss or leavebuster, what grinds my gears is that there is nothing positive to make player return into game like that aside from caring for people playing with you that game.

I played with nice people, but what if 2 of them were feeders and trash talkers, I bet I wouldn't try to return in game like that... non would

Agreed, the penalties for leaving should be doubled if you don't return. That way people have a reason to return to the game.

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

Making punishment double or harder wouldn't make difference... This is just a game and people have zero cares.

Returning in game should be balance, not to get punished but not to get reward for coming back and wining.

Your approach is counter productive and suits Stalin gulag not an game that is rated pegi 12.

SubdueOct 23, 20182 votes

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Making punishment double or harder wouldn't make difference... This is just a game and people have zero cares.

Returning in game should be balance, not to get punished but not to get reward for coming back and wining.

Your approach is counter productive and suits Stalin gulag not an game that is rated pegi 12.

You said the problem with the system was that since you are penalized regardless of whether or not you come back, there's no incentive to come back.

I proposed a solution which creates an incentive for you to come back, namely a 50% reduction in the penalty.

Now you're saying the penalty, which you came onto the boards to complain about, doesn't matter.

Seems to me like you threw out the hogwash of "there's nothing positive to make a player return to the game" as a smoke screen for what this thread is really about, which is "Whaaaaaaa I got hit with leaverbuster because I left a game! Punishments badddddddddd!"

XXX3MOct 23, 20181 votes

I don't really wanna try to explain any more because your negativity is on high level. Punishment doesn't upset me, honor 5, plat 1 solo q player, getting lp loss in a flex Q which I play for fun and practice other champs mid...

By your logic, make it double, when double is new normal make it double again. Practice has shown that toxic players have no limits to scale of a punishment (khm khm tyler1 etc.) system is made to deal with them and it does it poorly. No matter how punishment is hard people who leave games are gonna continue it. I don't leave games.

This is first time happened to me after did my best, returned and won, get cucked, didn't seem right so I posted.

Done my leavebuster q... so it doesn't matter, but I still feel like system is bad

"Punishments buddddd!" shows ur attitude and some kind of envy... like ur glad in some way, I made it best from bad situation and I feel good about it

people like me do this to make game fair and better

KarunamonOct 23, 20181 votes

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"Punishing" people because of connections issues or power going off like in your case is kinda borderline, but needed, otherwise it's gonna be abused.

And then... Giving low priority queue because of problems within the client (which is always why i get "punished" btw, i would never dodge or leave intentionally and pc/connections are fine too) is simply stupid, imho.

There is no way to tell the difference. This is a problem that will never be solved without telepathy, it is possible to induce a disconnect in about a bajillion ways, and most of them can be made to look like a problem outside of your control.

If you're having crashes, fix your computer. If you have dodgy power, buy a UPS. If you can't do either of those things, team-based games where your presence is required for roughly half an hour may not be for you.