Is Phreak just upset he and his team got beaten by a Nunu smite support?

Asudurga·Mar 2, 2017·15 votes·2,523 views

Because considering the evidence the Nunu provided of his matches and whatnot with his massive success rate (link provided), getting him to Diamond no less.

It was only when he won against Phreak that he got banned, coincidence? I think someone with the red name has a red face of embarrassment by now.

Yes, I know I'm playing with fire here stating it, but I'm just saying what everyone is thinking.

EDIT: Oh man, I seem to have accumulated some salt here. An immediate drop from 2 to 0.

53 Comments

CochoMar 2, 20178 votes

The player who got banned for that doesn't even believe Phreak had anything to do with it. He said so in his original post.

KrigjerMar 2, 20176 votes

Yes. His account was put under a manual audit. That's all I need to know.

AsudurgaMar 2, 20172 votes

Th Rioter or the player?

KrigjerMar 2, 20173 votes

Th Rioter or the player?

The player. In his own thread, he stated he played a game with Phreak, and the next afternoon, he got an email saying his account was suspended and put under manual audit.

MinaZer0Mar 2, 20174 votes

a manual audit basically means someone with the power to push a 'reported' player up the ladder of pending reports, pushed it all the way to Riot Support Team and insta banned him. Prob went something like this

@RiotPhreak: hey, I seen this guy play Nunu support, I don't like it wahhhhh and plus I lost to it WAHHHHH, ban him and ill suck your dick.. AGAIN.

@RiotJenny711: I'm on it, you want me to wear the dildo again? you're wierd..

eldurisMar 2, 20171 votes

No. A manual review can be started for a number of reasons, but in the Nunu's case here, it was the large amount of times he was reported that flagged his account for review. There wasn't a third party that came in and "pushed him up the ladder."

LostFr0stMar 2, 20173 votes

There's a difference between what actually happened and what the Nunu said happened. This was directly addressed on the Nunu's Reddit thread.

MinaZer0Mar 2, 20174 votes

what actually happened is him being Dia 1 75 lp (peaked) people reporting him for not getting their way, it is like this

you can't get banned for off-meta, your team wants you to pick meta, you get reported for picking off-meta, you get banned for being reported, you get banned for playing off-meta..

LostFr0stMar 2, 20173 votes

The Nunu was banned due to his crappy interaction with his teammates while performing his 'plan.' He didn't have the decency to acknowledge what his team gives up for the strat. Whether it works or not is a non-factor to me.

Aside from that, I didn't realize that you were in-game with him (kappa). If you have extra intel, such as personal experience with the case, please share it. Otherwise I'd rather wait for the conclusive decision of the player behaviour team once they come back from discussing the future for these types of cases internally.

I'm sorry in advance if this comes off the wrong way, but this discussion drags someone through the mud and that bothers me.

MinaZer0Mar 2, 20173 votes

crappy interaction with his teammates

no, discouraging him and ridiculing him for playing off-meta is a crappy interaction with him, as a teammate.. off-meta is automatically 'Troll'.

If he likes nunu, he shouldn't have to sacrifice his fun for others because they refuse to play around a person that mains this and has climbed to High Dia with this.

There are {Insert Any Champion Here} mains that are good enough with said champion to climb elo, people that report him are part of the problem, Nunu has been played in support in the past and currently is useless as a counter jungler (as hes meant to be) so this is one of the best ways to play him, in support role, why do you think blood boil(Nunu's W) exists, perfect bot lane support spell?

Taking smite isn't reportable, nor is it a jungler only summoner spell, if it were it would be locked solely to the person chosen as jungler in champ select, thats like saying Heal is only a marksman spell and Exhaust is only a Support spell.

Honestly riot was getting an influx of reports on this guy and he wasnt doing anything wrong so they just gave him a 14 day ban because riot has such a shitty system that ALL they could do, its sad more than anything.

LostFr0stMar 2, 20172 votes

He doesn't roll Nunu as support though, he queues as support, and runs around pissing off the enemy jungler, leaving his AD to 1v2 bot-lane, and bot-tower (by extension first-blood tower) becomes easy pickings for the enemy team.

He has never laned 1v2, but claims it's easy to do. Due to that, he doesn't empathize with the position he puts his team into and he comes across as 'doesn't GAF' to his team in-game. This combines with peoples' assumption that he must be trolling to give a high report rate.

MinaZer0Mar 2, 20171 votes

what elo he plays in, the marksman should know how to turtle under tower and farm, leaving the AD in a 2v1 lane just means solo exp and with the recent update to EXP catchup system there is no reason for his team to whine about his level, especially if the enemy team is getting denied buffs and enemy jungle exp.

these bans have only been done to inherently troll champions, that riot themselves allowed to be made, not to long ago they even made singed automatically laugh while flipping a champion, so it begins with riot, not people that play said champions

LostFr0stMar 2, 20172 votes

That goes both ways. At the elo he plays in, marksman, supports, and their junglers know how to punish and deny. They know the exp range and will sit between his AD and the wave, then proceed to freeze it at their turret. Until they decide to take that turret, they can keep the wave on their side as long as they want until the AD can get someone to come bot lane to force the wave to reset. They also know how to dive, and TP in. If someone falls behind at his elo, there's a small chance of coming back from it. His team knows that, which is why they're often frustrated.

Yes, and Veigar laughs while killing someone. It's a part of champ personality. That doesn't make the champ 'troll,' it makes them enticing.

AlienPrimateMar 3, 20171 votes

If being 1v2 was such a detrimental handicap then there would be no junglers ever in any games. People would just go duo top or mid every game. Leaving the ADC bottom to farm by themselves gives them a level advantage over the enemy. Nunu "running around pissing off the enemy jungler" makes the enemy jungler practically worthless while his own jungler can do as he or she pleases. This includes camping bottom if the enemy bottom keeps on pushing to tower putting themselves out of position.

LostFr0stMar 3, 20171 votes

Laning 1v2 as a bruiser or tank is very different from laning 1v2 as a marksman. Basically, if the champ being played depends on items instead of levels, it's a bad idea for that champ to 1v2.

Magical PlayerMar 2, 20172 votes

Maybe riot didn't have a punishment correct for the crime he wasn't chat toxic(can't just slap him with a chat restriction) he wasn't feeding/afking(can't 14/perma him) he was making life harder for some consistently(new punishment category) maybe riot is about to rework their tier list to obtain a 1 -3 day ban system 25cr-1/3db-14-perma that'd be a nice thing over 10CR-25CR-14DB-perma we have now

AsudurgaMar 2, 20172 votes

So, basically they wanna punish people for doing well? That's even more goddamn pathetic.

Magical PlayerMar 2, 20171 votes

{quoted}

so, basically they wanna punish people for doing well? That's even more goddamn pathetic.

its not doing well harassing your teammates can be done by simply picking a hero you know can/will tilt them(super basic harassment that would never trip the system)but manual review can see it and take account for the amount of games affected(aka he harassed people for 300 games doing this, even if mild still 300 games)

AsudurgaMar 2, 20172 votes

Well here's the thing, it doesn't matter what you pick nowadays you will be reported by the enemy or your allies because they can't get over the fact someone played well with a champ they hate.

Magical PlayerMar 2, 20174 votes

{quoted}

Well here's the thing, it doesn't matter what you pick nowadays you will be reported by the enemy or your allies because they can't get over the fact someone played well with a champ they hate.

care to share your source?

KrigjerMar 2, 20173 votes

care to share your source?

No source; experience.

I see countless 'No don't play that, play this instead!' or 'I don't like that, pick something else!'

Players expect you to conform to their expectations. Total strangers think you care about their preferences.

AsudurgaMar 2, 20171 votes

Exactly!

DynikusMar 2, 20173 votes

that doesn't mean you get reported for it. and even if you do, it's a meaningless report that just makes their future reports weigh less.

TrulyBlandMar 2, 20171 votes

There's a reason "experience" isn't published in science papers.

Case in point: My experience when trying out off-meta picks was that the majority of the time, people reluctantly agree to try it out. It's all a matter of the way you explain yourself.

So, which of us is right?

KrigjerMar 2, 20171 votes

There's a reason "experience" isn't published in science papers.

You're right, they don't use the word experience; instead they stay 'observations'. And scientists realize that observations vary from person to person.

So, which of us is right?

Both, obviously. What we experience isn't fact, so either situation can be correct at any given time.

AsudurgaMar 2, 20171 votes

I'll throw away my pride and admit this; I go into a genocidal rage whenever I see an enemy pick LeeSin . I hate him, Riots damn favourite poster boy. It is so tempting to report some Mastery 7 spamming idiot who can press Q and R after running through your tower in lane with free tank stats and assassin level damage.

But I don't, because I just wanna enjoy a game as the champ I picked. Have you ever seen a champion on the enemy team you wanna report for out of pettiness but thought better of it?

Who is to say there won't be someone who actually goes through with the report and Riot's automated system run by a hamster wheel agrees with it regardless of performance?

EDIT: Plus that summoner 11 Nunu game can be interpreted as pettiness on Riot's behalf.

Touch My BoxMar 2, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-03-02T07:48:13.041+0000)

its not doing well harassing your teammates can be done by simply picking a hero you know can/will tilt them(super basic harassment that would never trip the system)but manual review can see it and take account for the amount of games affected(aka he harassed people for 300 games doing this, even if mild still 300 games)

So picking something undesirable is punishable is what you are saying?

Damn, Galio mid main.. better callit harassment and report it accordingly.

SwainLaneWinGameMar 2, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Toxic Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2017-03-02T10:44:45.139+0000)

So picking something undesirable is punishable is what you are saying?

Damn, Galio mid main.. better callit harassment and report it accordingly.

Under this precedent that Riot has made by banning this guy, yes. If enough reports flood in to a galio mid one trick griefing about galio, then that person can most likely get punished because "mob rule". Sick isn't it?

TrulyBlandMar 2, 20172 votes

If enough reports flood in

Which with a (sort of) random matchmaking process would require nothing short of a conspiracy to achieve. It's also an extreme oversimplification, given that reports were not the only thing taken into consideration. Communication played an important part in Riot's decision in this case as well as with the Singed case everybody so hilariously forgets when claiming the Nunu case sets a precedent. Or of course the cases before that when people for very similar reasons got banned while (not for!) playing off-meta that some people propably haven't been around to witness.

There's always panic about how those decisions set a precedent... but the apocalypse people predict never happens. It still only affects edge cases of people who fail to properly communicate and cooperate with their teams.

BLACK REALM GODMar 3, 20171 votes

then does that make playing teemo support a conspiracy against teemo? what about refusing to take heal and exhaust as a support? those are some crazy conspiracies. playing karthus jungle? shaco mid? i know for a fact how often players report just to prevent someone else from getting to play a champ. even going so far as to ban the champ of their own teammates.

this whole nunu thing reminds me of the singed smite support last season. i said it before and i'll say it again. why make a champ like bard if you cant leave lane as a support? why make champs like ivern if jungling is only about wave clear and assassinations.

seems to me like someone somewhere cant imagine league without a sona-esque support and a warwick style jungler. or they're looking at the game as if neither team is going to roam or invade. it's sad more than anything.

TrulyBlandMar 3, 20172 votes

i know for a fact how often players report just to prevent someone else from getting to play a champ.

Uh-huh... Since you "know for a fact" how often that happens, I suspect that if I ask you for an exact percentage, you can give it to me? I mean, I don't want to call you a liar... but given that nobody outside of Riot should be able to access this information I'm sceptical of what you "know".

this whole nunu thing reminds me of the singed smite support last season.

Funny how I said virtually the same thing. People are panicking and extrapolating to the wildest extent... and you know what will ultimately happen? Nothing. People will still be doing plenty of off-meta picks and strategies, and those who actually can do so without coming across as a selfish asshole still won't be punished for it.

BLACK REALM GODMar 6, 20171 votes

72% in bronze, 53% in silver, 50% in gold, 75% in platinum, 30% in diamond, and 20% in challenger. please allow for a 30% margin of error based on the day and month and current patch.

people will be punished on a trial by fire basis. honestly league hasnt been fun or engaging since like 2012 for me. maybe that was because the world ended and we're all just goons living in the shadows of the past? nah. that sounds too surreal. i enjoy karthus and pretty much only karthus. i play everyone else to keep from getting stale and to learn their gimmicks/strategies. his visual update and being gifted his grim reaper costume then buying the red chroma have been the highlights of this game for me. this is a team game that is best played with teammates you know and agree with. the funny thing though is that online games are inherently bad for competition due to the amount of varying issues that handicap players. there's a reason league isnt played online at competitions. nor is any other game competition. and there's a reason why no one hosts a large competitive raffle team pick and showcases it live on LCS. i'd love just once to see a challenger mashup be played and watch how fast everyone falls apart - simply because they can't form a team with enough synergy to make everyone happy and they dont have a coach to fall back on.

point being that not everyone plays the same champion or champions. not everyone can adjust and adapt in 2 minutes 30 seconds. that isnt something that should be punished by an account ban. that is something that should be punished by a rank loss due to not having the ability to perform in a way that benefits the team on the fly. it's no different than being a ball hog in basketball or a mr does it all quarterback in football. and on the flip side of that coin those teammates have time to adapt to their teammate and a coach that teaches them that their role isnt to stand out, but to support those that do. that is completely impossible in any environment other than a predetermined professional team at this point in league.

so if we're talking about his behavior in ranked then i think that's a pointless argument in the first place. for both sides. the concept of ranked multiplayer somehow being this serious environment where only the hardcore of the hardcore play is just ignorant. if you want to do something with your life that involves league of legends get off your asses and go to college to become a digital media specialist or business specialist and join a league of legends college team that actually goes to tournaments. --league wouldnt have a bronze division in ranked if it was as serious as people make it out to be. they'd just lock you out of playing it for the season--

if we're talking about his behavior as a member of a team in general then i see nothing wrong here. he did his job by not going afk and by affecting the enemy team in a negative way.

if we're talking about his chatting behavior - that rule is completely worthless because NA includes french and spanish speaking communities among others and players are allowed to hop servers. you cant expect people to talk if they cant... fluently communicate. if he was capslock typing profanity in the chat nonstop even that is sort of a pointless argument because the game has a profanity filter - though there are rules that state not to type profanity non-stop.

anything else is simply profiling from his videos - which is morally wrong.

MrHaZeYoMar 4, 20171 votes

I think your preception of what is actually happening is way off.

A Gailo Mid main can get reported every game for going Galio mid. But as long as he isn't trying to steal mid from someone else or just leaving mid lane empty the entire game he is doing nothing wrong and nothing will happen.

This instance with the Nunu Supp, it isn't cause he is Nunu supp or because he brings smite. Its becuase he abandons his allied laner for giant portions of the game. Some of those Vods he didn't go bot at all until 6-7mins in the game and by then the AD is so far behind theres not much coming back that person can do. He's scarficing his AD game in and out to get his personal start to work. He is putting the enemy jungler behind and securing neutral objectives.

He is being toxic to his laner though by doing this simply by abandoning him. It doesn't make the game fun for his teammate in any shape or form. It'd be one thing if he left lane for small chunks then came back to help but its the complete opposite. Sure he is making life harder on the enemy jungler but a enemy jungler can just do other things to make up for it. Ganking, or if they realized what the strat hes trying to do they can simply just wait for him to come and try to counter counter jungle and kill him.

I understand he made it pretty high up on the ladder playing this way, but that doesn't make it right, how many of those wins come from his teammates simply being better then the opponent. Shit like that.

Magical PlayerMar 2, 20171 votes

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So picking something undesirable is punishable is what you are saying?

Damn, Galio mid main.. better callit harassment and report it accordingly.

If people feel harassed, its not up to you or I to judge them riot handles reports If someone is feeling harassed you look for a cause to the harassment

Touch My BoxMar 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=00020000000000010001,timestamp=2017-03-02T19:50:40.240+0000)

If people feel harassed, its not up to you or I to judge them riot handles reports If someone is feeling harassed you look for a cause to the harassment

And majority of the time some millennial is being harassed, the cause is a mental disorder.

Picking off meta isn't harassment, in fact I would say that badgering a player for picking something off meta is the harassment.

Magical PlayerMar 3, 20171 votes

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And majority of the time some millennial is being harassed, the cause is a mental disorder.

Picking off meta isn't harassment, in fact I would say that badgering a player for picking something off meta is the harassment.

Again, what you define as harassment is not how another may define it if they feel harassed they are welcome to report away

Touch My BoxMar 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=0002000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2017-03-03T05:47:36.453+0000)

Again, what you define as harassment is not how another may define it if they feel harassed they are welcome to report away

That's just fucking idiocy, I could say I feel harassed by the letter E, report everyone for using it.

Magical PlayerMar 3, 20171 votes

If you feel harassed by the Letter E, then you are welcome to report people for harassment The system allows for that.

Currently the report system gives some power to the community as we're allowed to curse and do minor flaming because as a community we find that to be acceptable the system lets the community to some degree define acceptable

so if enough people find the letter E to be harassment then the system will find the letter E to be harassment Call it the community will

Touch My BoxMar 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=000200000000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-03T19:13:11.709+0000)

If you feel harassed by the Letter E, then you are welcome to report people for harassment The system allows for that.

Currently the report system gives some power to the community as we're allowed to curse and do minor flaming because as a community we find that to be acceptable the system lets the community to some degree define acceptable

so if enough people find the letter E to be harassment then the system will find the letter E to be harassment Call it the community will

I don't think the community wants players banned for using a successful but unconventional playstyle.

Too fuckin' bad, because Riot says no it has to be so.

Magical PlayerMar 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Toxic Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=0002000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-03T19:51:48.320+0000)

I don't think the community wants players banned for using a successful but unconventional playstyle.

Too fuckin' bad, because Riot says no it has to be so.

50%~ report in games is the offmeta nunu support jungle case, I assume is what you're bringing up means that at least 1 person a game had enough issue with what happened to report the user 300+ games 150 base people 150 people take issue with 1 person do we say the 150 is right or the 1 is right? or both are wrong? or both are right? at the end of it a Base 150 users still felt enough reason to report a user, that does mean something(if all valid)

Touch My BoxMar 4, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-03T19:55:09.195+0000)

50%~ report in games is the offmeta nunu support jungle case, I assume is what you're bringing up means that at least 1 person a game had enough issue with what happened to report the user 300+ games 150 base people 150 people take issue with 1 person do we say the 150 is right or the 1 is right? or both are wrong? or both are right? at the end of it a Base 150 users still felt enough reason to report a user, that does mean something(if all valid)

150 people do have a problem, but 1200 do not.

Magical PlayerMar 4, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Toxic Shaco,realm=OCE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oZAEL6Mp,comment-id=000200000000000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T03:50:36.670+0000)

150 people do have a problem, but 1200 do not.

1200 did not specify it they had a problem does not mean they didn't just means they opted out of saying they did we can state that at the bare min. 150 people had a problem we don't know how many others had a problem with it as we don't know the report count

q3fogWe6LFMar 6, 20171 votes

RobbieFry13Mar 2, 20171 votes

i don't understand why he needed smite. Nunu can steal JG camps without it and if you aren't a jg you aren't that in need of bonus XP. The "I want item 3711 or item 3706 " arguments are bull bc if you are a support you could be building item 2045 + item 3092 and then there is 0 risk you mess up your teammates smite damage, but I wouldn't build Frost Queen or Chilling smite on a Nunu support bc that is what his E does anyway and you can spam the Crap out of it. So seriously what is the advantage, unless your end game is to bait riot into banning your account?

DynikusMar 2, 20172 votes

having smite isn't the problem, and it's not what got him banned. leaving the adc to 1v2 game after game after game regardless of if they were okay with it is the problem.

AsudurgaMar 2, 20173 votes

Isn't that what Bard does too?

DynikusMar 2, 20173 votes

No. He's a roaming support, but he still spends most of the laning phase in bot with his adc. roaming to gank or collect chimes isn't the same as abandoning lane and counterjungling.

GigglesOMar 4, 20171 votes

That is called meta enforcement.

Kei143Mar 2, 20172 votes

from a gameplay perspective, The smite is used for massive objective control, where you can start the whole steal at 2500 HP (with your jungler) instead of leaving it till 850 hp