People that spend money Vs. people that don't spend money on league

chronicbomber420·Mar 31, 2018·3 votes·2,559 views

heres my thoughts, riot has nothing in place to protect someone that have spent 1000's of dollars on league buying all the skins wards chromas emotes etc, and then you get people that just make multiple free accounts so they can have fun trolling people and making them upset. I believe a lot of this dynamic causes a strain on the reporting system because it's so flawed you can't get banned if you know what bans you in the algorithm. and we don't have any punishments that can actually fix the problem at the source the person themselves we can't come up with a way to reduce hatred, just look at these boards its people that fee all the same wayl they have been unfairly judged by a algorithm that clearly is letting games like fortnite take it over, mean while tyler one being toxic teaching these kids how to be the opposite of the riot standard but they endorse him sending mixed messages and we allll wonder while people like fortnite now over league how the mighty have fallen and this has been being said if they don't do something someone else is going to step, league is just another old dying game at the end of it's life cycle unless they decide to actually listen to their players maybe go back to their roots and make a game that the player were to "riot" for they jut gonna riot league and demand they get off their high horse and listen

61 Comments

ChermorgApr 1, 201813 votes

Wait, so spending money on something doesn’t give you the right to break the rules?

Almost like this isn’t a corrupt government but a first world business.

rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20182 votes

pFF he has a "video game design cerfiticate" and a Bachlors in Buissnes and corupt buissnes is the fastest way of making money do you not agree ?

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

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rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20182 votes

no, I'm actually finishing my final year in getting my masters in Computer Science as a backend programmer

don't worry if this was the 1980s calling everybody a communist was the best thing u could do to shame them

keep it up and u will make a great politician tbh

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20182 votes

no the people that spend money get lumped into the same people that don't spend money and are all expected to act the same treat each other the same even tho someone that doesn't care about the game doesn't care if they get banned and there isn't anything you can do about it perpetuating a cycle of a toxic community. it is just merely one of the down falls in place of leagues behavior system but if you talk about it here your just attacked by little riot minions

rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20182 votes

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no the people that spend money get lumped into the same people that don't spend money and are all expected to act the same treat each other the same even tho someone that doesn't care about the game doesn't care if they get banned and there isn't anything you can do about it perpetuating a cycle of a toxic community. it is just merely one of the down falls in place of leagues behavior system

see the thing is this is a free to play game with no benefits other then you looking a bit more stylish with a skin that u like

so why would they give you benefits over others if this is truly a "free to play" game

+banning accounts and then making people make new ones and pay for everything again is a good business income

ChermorgApr 1, 20185 votes

Contrary to what you just said, most people don't want to get banned regardless of if they've spent money or not.

That being said, stop blaming others for your lack of self control.

fatherdariusApr 1, 20181 votes

Rito needs a "Banana Republic" line of skins (the political science term, not the clothing line).

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

It's not that spending money gives you the right to break rules, it's the fact that little kids play this game their parents buy them everything mean while other people go to work every day to EARN money and then we are all expected to behave the same even tho said kid isn't old enough to legally have a job or drive a car but that must mean they're just as responsible as an adult right

o brigid oApr 1, 20189 votes

It makes me really sad that anyone is stuck feeling this way. It's a pretty terrible feeling.

Thanks to ignorance or misinformation or whatever... some people really don't understand the big picture and they cling to stories that reinforce their victim complex... like the big bad Riot is out to get them and fuck them over.

The system isn't set up to unfairly ban anyone. On the rare occasion that a ban happens by mistake, Riot Support is there to undo it (I know, it happened to my account before). A lot of the people who claim 'unfair ban' aren't really worried that their ban happened in error... they're mad because they broke the rules in response to someone else breaking the rules instead of just muting. Another player flaming or being toxic doesn't mean it's okay for you to also do those things back at them. So players get punished for it and are salty.

Your Freedom of Speech™ is never threatened by Riot. All Freedom of Speech™ guarantees you is that you cannot be imprisoned by your government for voicing your opinions - with rare exceptions. You can do or say whatever you want to Riot, about Riot, and in Riot's game. You will never be imprisoned for it. Riot, however, doesn't have to put up with your shit and can choose to deny you further service.

Also it's worth noting that the staff on the boards are volunteers and are not being paid by Riot to do anything. They put their time and effort into the boards because they care about having a place where the community can come together, not because they want to silence naysayers.

I understand that you're angry... apparently about a whole heck of a lot. But I think you'd benefit from some genuine conversations with people in the community to gain a better perspective. A lot of what you're claiming would be rage-inducing if it were accurate at all. Riot isn't out to get you. It isn't intentionally letting other games get more popular. It doesn't endorse Tyler1 even in the slightest, as far as I'm aware. All they did was unban him. If i'm wrong, please correct me and show me some proof. And lastly, not being in the top views on Twitch isn't an indicator that a game is dying. There are hundreds of thriving games that aren't top on twitch for a myriad of reasons. Riot has been around for a decade, and they'll continue for many years to come regardless of twitch views.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

i never said riot was out to get anybody, using the victim complex makes a compelling argument and at least you are polite about it but, I was originally saying that the system in place by riot, not riot themselves out to get me. I don't know where you would get that but ok, lets get back on topic because this board is here to talk about player behavior and the system in place, I was under the understanding that you can talk about that here and give opinions. Adults talk to each other and are able to come to understandings, clearly however that isn't the case here. But anyways, they have a system in place that has to prove the player is actually breaking their rules and has a ban-able offense right but that doesn't help, clearly as seen by all the players that are being verbally abused unlike other game communities. I mean they could like they could have a staff of volunteers that played games and was able to better patrol than to have them on here flaming me. but to the freedom of speech if your topic is too controversial such as talking about player emotions and school shooting that have been happening more and more whoa that needs to be censored even tho its america and you should be able to talk about that on NA because it's a current event that relates to people, granted they have the rights to deny service but when you ignore a group of people that has a point that's hiding from the facts. I get it that a lot of people don't understand how they've broken the rules but when i talk about people that spend money I mean you have people with jobs that pay for their stuff then they are expected to follow the same rules as someone not even old enough to have a job or drive a car thats playing this game so how do you expect there to be equal maturity

EvilDustManMar 31, 20187 votes

Periods.

Also, no.

archerno1Apr 1, 20185 votes

You keep talking about laws and standards in America. Tell me, in America, do people have right to evict someone from their property if they want to? Do restaurants, cafes, strip clubs have right to deny access or to remove from their property anyone they want? Do you have right to kick someone out of your house? If you build a pool in your backyard do you have right to deny access to it to anyone you want? And to remove anyone u want from it? You are not only one who have rights. Riot have rights too.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This is your "freedom of speech". Your first amendment right. Riot isnt part of congress. It doesnt apply to them in the slightest.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

right and facebook using your privacy doesn't apply to anything because they aren't congress

Silent GravityApr 1, 20185 votes

There are consumer protection laws, but the segment of the constitution that falls under is Article I, Section 8, Clause 3.

Kei143Apr 1, 20185 votes

why would they need to protect those whom are toxic, regardless of whether they spent money or not?

EvilDustManApr 1, 20183 votes

Who gives a shit about Twitch top views.

rebelprincess01Mar 31, 20182 votes

cool story

chronicbomber420Mar 31, 20181 votes

LOL why you should play fortnite rather deal with people like you.... also why viewership is on decline as well as player base

rebelprincess01Mar 31, 20181 votes

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chronicbomber420Mar 31, 20182 votes

see, tells me i have alzheimers. love this community, and how about you go to twitch and just look at the top 2 games streaming NA lcs playoffs on still lower viewers than fortnite and it has 20k more viewers thats as many people that watch tyler 1 alone

rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20181 votes

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see, tells me i have alzheimers. love this community, and how about you go to twitch and just look at the top 2 games streaming NA lcs playoffs on still lower viewers than fortnite and it has 20k more viewers thats as many people that watch tyler 1 alone

ah yes because Views tell you everything. How about actual player count? p.s. (league wins by millions)

now as i read you have a "video game design certificate" whatever that is which reminded me if you even know that fortnite is literally a copy of an another copy of an another copy of a copy of a copy (fortnite-PUBG-H1Z1-Arma3-DayZ-Rust) and would you look at that thoes games are dead as a rock :HMM:

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

Dota2?

rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20181 votes

what does dota2 have anything with what i just said?

Dota2?

whats next PUBG meets minecraft Oh wait

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

League copied dota just like fortnite and pubg

rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20181 votes

but is league a copy of a game that already copyed ? and so you have 7 exact same games with minor personal tuches ?

chronicbomber420Mar 31, 20182 votes

the funniest thing about this is about 3 months ago i said league was gonna lose their top spot in popularity because of the community they foster and literally fortnite, pubg, even dota2 the list just goes on all of them doing better but nooooooo im just mad and i don't know what im talking about i don't have a bachelors in business admin or a video game design certificate, im just another little punk like all the other little punks on here running their mouths according to riot none of us no what we are talking about because riot is always right and all their moderators they hire on here just ban your post even though this is america riot must not believe in freedom of speech. i understand you shouldn't start or antagonize fights but when you blur the lines of debate to your antagonizing people because you don't say what we believe turns into communism

Umbral RegentMar 31, 20187 votes

...riot must not believe in freedom of speech.

Is Riot a part of the U.S. Government?

No?

Then Freedom of Speech doesn't protect you from them restricting your chat or kicking you out, or from their Forum Moderators (who are volunteers, not hired) removing posts that break the Boards Rules.

chronicbomber420Mar 31, 20181 votes

as long as riot operates in america and pays taxes to our government they will abide by the rules and laws of america, they may be able to write their own policies and enforce them as long as they apply to the standards the american government sets

Umbral RegentMar 31, 20181 votes

And they do. But, as Riot is a company and not a part of the U.S. Government, protection of Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to their punishments.

As long as you play Riot's game you will abide by the rules and laws of League of Legends.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

I'm just saying that riot operates and pays taxes in america, they have a right to their policies as long as they comply to the standards set by america. there isn't anything wrong with censorship but when they censor the players like we live in china it says something about them. this board is set up to discuss the system as one of the topics but if you do you just get attack. and you better believe they wanted to improve their pr after the parkland shooting because mental health is in fact affected by this game that allows kids to play that haven't even fully developed their brains. more than one issues can be involved rather just someone losing their account and crying such as tragedies from real life but to sit back and say well its not my fault everybody is responsible for themselves is crazy. when you could listen to your players and figure out a way to improve the over all health of the player behavior of this game

Umbral RegentApr 1, 20181 votes

...but when they censor the players like we live in china...

They don't.

...because mental health is in fact affected by this game...

First of all, how does a game relate to a real-world shooting? And, no, you can't say "because the shooter said the game made them do it", because that's bullshit.

Second, where's your proof that League has a negative impact on people's mental health?

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

you ever got mad before you can honestly say that your emotion doesn't change if you win you don't get happy? mental health goes up and down like if you were to eat a lot of cheese burgers and get fat you can poorly impact your physical health the same could be said with something factors leading to causing depression such as someone telling you "you're a loser" or "kill yourself"

Umbral RegentApr 1, 20182 votes

"Winning makes you happy and losing makes you angry" isn't proof that League has a negative impact on mental health. That's just basic emotions.

If you want to prove that League of Legends has a negative impact on somoene's mental health, show me a study done by a reputable source. Otherwise, we're done here, as there's nothing more to be discussed.

Rising PheonixMar 31, 20182 votes

Riot is a company, this is their GAME so they have the privileges of muting banning or anything else anyone as they see fit. unless your saying games also have rights then the freedom of speech act is an invalid point. government wouldn't give 2 shits about league unless there was some serial murders rapists terrorists etc poaching players off of league. and with leagues banning system joke or not that wouldn't fly. grow up and be more mature

rebelprincess01Apr 1, 20181 votes

ur missing the point fam league is communistic bcs no matter how much u pay u still have to bear the same punishments not fair man :^(

Rising PheonixApr 1, 20181 votes

equality

JamareeApr 1, 20189 votes

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as long as riot operates in america and pays taxes to our government they will abide by the rules and laws of america, they may be able to write their own policies and enforce them as long as they apply to the standards the american government sets

That isn't...how free speech works at all.

Why do people who use the first amendment argument never know how free speech actually works?

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

jocomotionApr 1, 20181 votes

So what I'm hearing is you should spend money on a game you already love, only to expect to be treated better than others? What the actual heck- are you delusional? Are you alright? Do you understand that you've literally agreed to the same rules as people who have put only 1 minute and zero dollars into this game right?

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

LOL no I'm saying people that work for their money and don't their parents don't buy everything shouldn't all be lumped together because kids that aren't legally old enough to drive a car or get a job are expected to be just as mature as a grown adult playing this game

jocomotionApr 1, 20183 votes

well let's agree to disagree because I am a young adult who's put money into the game and I still think you're just being childish.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

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jocomotionApr 1, 20183 votes

First off rude, second off college student, third off yes I do pay my own rent and utilities, the only thing I don’t pay for myself atm is my phone bill, and that’s mainly because the family plan is cheaper to pay a part of for than getting a plan all by myself.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

you don't have to make excuses, I understand how hard it is. I wish kids did too and maybe they would be so toxic on league

GeminiRuneApr 1, 20183 votes

I wonder what category that puts you in. By the matter you made the post I'd comfortably assume that you fall on the side of thise who think money gives you meaning. And to that, I agree it's delusional. Age means nothing if you have common sense in the right light.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

I can comfortably assume you don't understand the value of a dollar because it's only ever been given to you. go sweat out in the sun put in hours of overtime and then see how much money you have after rent and bills without your parents paying for it

GeminiRuneApr 1, 20182 votes

It's clear to me that you have little to no idea of the world or respect for me or others who are giving you honesty. You talk but you can't back it up. So where's your mark on your own post? Your money. Your experience. What makes your opinion matter so much? If you can't take me seriously and you don't get a reply, then know you're full of it.

C9 Squeeky Apr 2, 20181 votes

Your money doesn't buy you freedom to be toxic. Simple Truth.

chronicbomber420Apr 4, 20181 votes

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Your money doesn't buy you freedom to be toxic. Simple Truth.

but the fact of the matter is riot can't stop people from being toxic, it's impossible to stop everybody but the current system can't even be consistent so if i'm going to get verbally abused or in what other way possible a player wants to make me mad there's no protection for me besides mute then riot says that's your fault we're not going to owe up to it; the fact that our game has the most toxic community out of all the games and if you like the game and spend money on it you have to worry about losing it you can't even at least argue back, now i know it doesn't stop the situation but i think it's a lot better if someone yells at me i yell at them that's just nature and how humans react i would rather put up with that for 20 minutes and lose a game forget about it and move on then to put up with it game after game and then when i say something it triggers an algorithm. i'm not saying because i spend money i deserve more rights i'm saying people that don't spend money (this isn't everybody, but the players that make multiple accounts/ smurf accounts/ just trolling for fun because the game is "free to play") impose on your rights to enjoy the game and the system is set up to grab as much money possible instead of protect the players interest after they've spent their money

C9 Squeeky Apr 4, 20181 votes

I don't want you to take this the wrong way.

League is a FTP game, with in-game currency to buy more champs so you can play different roles/playstyles. It's not one of those games where you basically need micro-transactions to actually play the full game. Skins, chromas, etc are luxuries that you choose to "purchase a license" to use on their gaming platform. Virtually every game/company has ToA. A contract. If you violate that, they have the right, in the print, to terminate deal. That's the way it is with employer/employee, and it is the same here. Rule of conduct. I hope I am making this clear.

If you don't want your money to be wasted, then control yourself; your temper. Show restraint. That is reasonable. Actions have consequences. I may not have spent as much money (maybe around $200-300) as some players but I have never been banned. I have shown frustrations in-chat but I always remind myself if I go too far, it can happen to me too.

I'm not saying Riot's policy on player behavior is perfect, far from it. I actually think there should be a lot more punishments and they should be a lot more severe so that players stop mocking the system, it's far too lenient. All I'm saying is, it's not hard to protect yourself from getting punished. But I also don't think there should be "protections" for spending money & then being an a-wipe because they aren't mature enough to have thick skin. Sticks & stones.