Is this forum to help riot or just for people to troll real concerns

chronicbomber420·Apr 1, 2018·1 votes·721 views

I understand a lot of people that get their accounts banned come here frustrated to vent but if you read the replies they are just as toxic as the people that get banned! Then they tell you extreme cases like well how can we go back and time and fix this what do you want us to do about it, we all know that's impossible so why did you say that. it already happened and it will always happen nothing we can do about it, that's the mentality of this board, you just get attacked by "volunteers" that could use their time better actually patrolling games and doing something instead of degrading you on here and telling you that you most likely deserve the ban. No one wants to discuss what we should do to improve anything like adults. anything you say here is miss interpreted and used against you, you can't say hey i'm an older player that works for a living and buys all my stuff i don't feel it's fair when some kid's parents are buying them everything and then we are expected to act at the same maturity level after so many games of being told to go kill yourself it doesn't matter how polite you are eventually you get a little upset and riot uses a blanket rule verbal abuse doesn't solve verbal abuse and that's true but as to why verbal abuse is so rampant as compared to other games makes you wonder what are they doing wrong.

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ModThe DjinnApr 1, 20187 votes

{quoted}...you just get attacked by "volunteers" that could use their time better actually patrolling games and doing something instead of degrading you on here and telling you that you most likely deserve the ban.

Well, to address this point -- first and foremost we can't patrol games, as we have no power to do that, short of the power everyone has when they play League.

As to the second half, yes, many of us do frequent PB, and one of the most common things is people asking "why was I banned?" In this case we do try to help them understand what in their behavior was problematic, but we also occasionally guide them towards Player Support in borderline cases, or offer tips on avoiding toxicity in the future (for those who aren't perma-banned).

No one wants to discuss what we should do to improve anything like adults.

I'd love to and frequently do, when the OP is amenable to this. Too many times I see "I was banned, this is bullshit" rather than "I was banned, which means I either don't understand how to avoid toxicity, or don't understand what the community considers toxicity. Help me out?" The latter is FAR better, but also far rarer.

you can't say hey i'm an older player that works for a living and buys all my stuff i don't feel it's fair when some kid's parents are buying them everything and then we are expected to act at the same maturity level after so many games of being told to go kill yourself it doesn't matter how polite you are eventually you get a little upset and riot uses a blanket rule verbal abuse doesn't solve verbal abuse and that's true but as to why verbal abuse is so rampant as compared to other games makes you wonder what are they doing wrong.

You can totally say that. But it's a bit undermined by the fact that there are many players subject to the same behavior who don't exhibit toxic behavior with a common enough frequency (or intense enough behavior) to earn a punishment, despite running into as many toxic players as another individual who did snap and get punished. It's about controlling your frustration, or at least the way you exhibit your frustration.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

well what im saying about paroling the game is actually getting out in the field and seeing it for themselves and applying bans as they see fit. like if you play a game and someone is just going off you could be like hey im riot and if you don't tone it down i can ban you. over time people would be like i need to think a little more who im saying what to and they could physically see within matches the system in work instead of i don't know whats a bannable offense the lines are so blurry i don't understand. you know, it's like i was playing a game someone was telling everybody f you i hate you blah blah blah and then they get a notice player has been banned and they were able to experience it in game and decipher oh i shouldn't do that they could be watching

BladeSteelApr 1, 20181 votes

The volunteers don't work for riot so they can't ban people.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20182 votes

well if riot spent some of that money they making they could afford to improve the quality of the players experience and in turn make more money because they had a funner game that wasn't losing player base to other games such as fortnite

BladeSteelApr 1, 20181 votes

So how would they do that? All you've done is complain without actually putting in any suggestions that would work. "Put a riot employee in every game to watch it" is not a real suggestion, you have no idea how to actually implement that not how much money that would cost.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

LOL, with the money riot makes they can easily afford to expand operations adding a sub division within the organization designated to playing the game as live moderators. you wouldn't have to have someone in EVERY game but the fact that people are in games is enough to start deterring people just by adding in the element of you don't know. so tell me what makes a REAL suggestion because it seems easy to talk down to me and tell me i have no idea what im talking about you seem to know and i would like to hear what you think. and why is it ME implementing all of it doesn't riot have a entire company with a staff that makes decisions together or do you have any idea how a company actually works besides just asking your mom for money

BladeSteelApr 1, 20181 votes

Riot employees do play the game. How many games would be "sufficient" to put a riot employee in? And how many would have to work/work overnight? How about instead of you expecting riot to hire hundreds of employees to get a .1% of games played "covered" you actually report people and let their system work? It's fairly clear what gets you punished and what doesn't. It's basically don't be a jerk. And all of your comments show that you most likely don't have a real job, nor a basic understanding of how a business works. You can demand anything you want, however cost and the actual functionality of your "demands" wouldn't actually work in real life, just in your little imaginary world you cooked up in your mind. How the real world works in business is for every new idea you have to have a report for it. You have to estimate the cost, think of ways to implement it and report it to the others in your business. If it's too costly or not something that is possible, then it will not work. Before just making blind demands like " have a riot employee in games just to ban people" come up with a report showcasing all aspects of it and then when you do that, look at it and realize how dumb your suggestion is when looking at the cost and people needed to be hired.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

when did i demand anything? You are literally attacking me just calling me dumb instead of discussing the topic. but how many games would be sufficient depends I would imagine that it's something that over time accumulates. you can say i sound like i don't have a job but again that's just you attacking me and not really helping from the sounds of your post you have somewhat intelligence but you also sound like you don't have a lot of friends because you think you're smarter than everybody. and for business and my world this post was more or less talking about why it is that people come here and then just get attack so i would rather not keep this subject going because we can just agree to disagree and i don't have to attack you back because this in essence is why league gets so toxic i think we can agree and the point was to fix this in the first place

BladeSteelApr 1, 20181 votes

Your demand is basically "volunteers could use their time better actually patrolling games and doing something" you show your ignorance throughout your posts. Also you've done nothing but attack as well. "do you have any idea how a company actually works besides just asking your mom for money" "you also sound like you don't have a lot of friends". We can turn this back around. You sound like you don't have a lot of friends because you insult others who prove you wrong instead of learning from it. What kind of person would want you as a friend?

ModThe DjinnApr 1, 20183 votes

{quoted}well what im saying about paroling the game is actually getting out in the field and seeing it for themselves and applying bans as they see fit.

...but I play League. I know what it's like. I also don't have the power to ban people on the spot, even if I wanted to. I'm also not Riot -- I'm a volunteer.

Also, having actual human in-game moderators wouldn't really work -- the scale of League is simply too large, and you'd have to allow those volunteers to see the entire behavior and punishment history of each player. It's really a step down from the system we have now.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

It doesn't have to be EVERY game, just the fact thats there is an unknown factor that you never know if its your game or not would be able to deter the misconduct. the old system has to prove the player is doing it and then have evidence but allows for people to just work around it. I can just misspell a word to keep from picking up on the system also i can't program passive aggressive behavior into the system. and THIS isn't the ONLY idea sheesh why can't we help each other come up with a lot of ideas to try? maybe make a cheesy phrase that when you type kys or f you its puts "i love you" in chat instead

Shukr4nApr 1, 20183 votes

to get helped u need to give info. a big part of ban threads lack fundamental infos, like reason of ban, what previous bans were given and in case of toxicity , chatlog. biggest part of ban threads are about "perma after 14d ban but i was not that toxic". so the ones who post those threads didnt read ToS, didnt care to read the 14d ban message and still they acted like they can flame chat 24/7. overall a big part of permabanned deserve their ban.

contest doesnt count, and big part of banned players dont understand this. retaliation can lead to ban. and they dont get it. parroting is dangerous. using certain words can lead to 14d instantly, and they stiull use them. most important thing: board is not support.

SADLY, trolls ahave easier life.

so basically, if u got permabanned, u deserved 99% of times. there are rules u agreed, u follow them or get punished. there are reports to punish bad behaviour.

now, repeat this 10-20 times a day for months, to players who didnteven care to read previously the board or the rulesets. at a certain point u lose patience and start stating the obvious truth. it hurts. but it s not toxic.

"i got banned huehue" "u deserved it"

deal with it.

if u want to discuss about trolls, afkers, inters and whatever, im all ears, but u need to be very professional and detailed in your thread. writing "riot fix trolls" is 6y.o. material.

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

another kind person thanks you aren't attacking me and i feel like i can actually talk to you! and you actually are able to explain both sides and how they feel i like that! but I'm not saying these people are being treated unfairly i know why people should be banned and people that you play with and you're like i can't believe this guy has a account he needs to be banned. I get it, why we need bans, I'm not saying no bans. Thats what erks me, I feel this system needs IMPROVEMENT, and not in the way they do it but how about they do it. currently we can ban people and get rid of them but like that doesn't teach them why they did what they did wrong and how to fix it, now i get that that person has to change themselves riot can't just shazaaam your a new person BUT they can set systems in place that help move to the right direction can we all agree on that? Also i feel that we just have this blanket of rules that needs to divide the player base more 14-40 people play this game and scientifically speaking our brains develop over time as our maturity does so when you expect a kid whose parents buy him everything to a adult that has car payments and rent of coarse you're going to get problems they aren't going to intemperate the rules in the same way at all they each have a different definition of what maturity in the point of life they are at so when i say people pay and have pride for what they pay im not saying because you pay you deserve more rights over someone that doesn't im just saying its messed up someone earns their money takes pride in what they buy and you ruin that with snot nose kids that are spoiled and make your game unfun

Shukr4nApr 1, 20181 votes

game is meant to be played. not to be a place to offend each other. riot is doing 99% of effort in taking care of chat, since most of toxicity comes from there in the short run. they chat ban u. it means "stop behaving that way" they go further and get 14days without their account , reading that they behaviour is not tolerated and next puinishment will be last. they get permabanned. which means "get out of here, u are no more welcomed to play". they dont get it.

if a player has will to understand and improve there are tons of material to learn about how to behave and keep your account safe. the system is there for anyone. but 90% of work comes from yourself. regarless what someone may say, pegi 13(14) doesnt help. but riot needs money and keeping pegi low it means kids spending parents money for pixels. easy money.

the only thing that this game lack in a dangerous way is the no punishment for bad gaming. trolls, afkers, inters. all forgiven because of 2 little rules:

u can play whatever champ in whatever lane
everyone can have a bad day/match

so basically griefers are protected by the same rules that should protect "normal users".

the best part is that the loyal lol players are so addicted to these rules that they defend them on forum regardless the contest or the way someone want to argue about them.

EvilDustManApr 1, 20182 votes

No one is flaming you. But your ideas are unreasonable.

Who Fed RuApr 1, 20181 votes

yes

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

well at least you didn't flame me lol, i was waiting for **** you man your a cry baby go kill your self haahahahahahha you can't type or spell you prolly have down syndrome.....no one cares about this post. like that's all you ever hear for a response and it's like wow i guess we can't talk like adults i guess, this board is just here for appeal to look like they care. i don't really know but if you wan't to discuss a topic on the internet don't expect anyone to actually intellectually debate with you just get ready for a name calling fest

exitforeverApr 1, 20181 votes

its cause most the people that get banned on here have "kys" in their chat logs and it gets funnier every time i see them post something

chronicbomber420Apr 1, 20181 votes

i get that, and I'm not saying bans shouldn't exist. What i'm trying to say is why can't we change this, obviously you have a lot of people that feel they were treated unfair even tho they were and didn't follow the rules specifically written down that they AGREED to follow. There's still a problem that i believe we could work on and IMPROVE if we actually talked about it tried different things and didn't just make it into this cycle of hate, because that makes you no different from someone that was disrespectful when your disrespecting them because they are mad and saying something dumb