Verbal Abuse

chronicbomber420·Feb 10, 2018·2 votes·496 views

League does nothing to police the verbal abuse in this game, out of all the communities they foster the most toxic one to date. what makes this worse is they do nothing about it with the system they have in place, it actually encourage players to just think of new ways to do something without getting in trouble for example miss spelling trigger words, being passive aggressive just enough to upset you but nothing you can do to actually get them in trouble with the system given to you to make sure this doesn't happen. then if you say something back because your tired of getting yell at or extremely frustrated you can get in trouble and your account perma-banned even tho you spend money to have people insult you and not get in trouble and it doesn't matter if you played for years and got to honor level 5 and then get reported by some troll that plays a "for free game". none of that matters because riot believe they have a system that works?

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AJStarhikerFeb 10, 20182 votes

Hang around the boards a bit. You'll see plenty of people complaining about getting banned for verbal abuse.

The problem is that there is no way to preemptively stop it. Muting is how you immediately protect yourself. Reporting after the game lets Riot know there was a problem.

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

saying there is no way to stop it just doesn't make sense that' like giving up it just means you haven't found a way yet. and what I'm saying is they need to start exploring better ways

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

what if they had something that instead of #$@#$ out bad words it just automatically ejected you from chat for 5 minutes then eventually you would be trained to not use trigger words at all

Silent GravityFeb 10, 20182 votes

The result of that would be

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it actually encourage players to....miss spell trigger words

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

but with computer learning they could pick up on them eventually

AJStarhikerFeb 10, 20182 votes

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saying there is no way to stop it just doesn't make sense that' like giving up it just means you haven't found a way yet. and what I'm saying is they need to start exploring better ways

I said preemptively. In other words, there is no way to predict and mute players before they display abusive behavior.

As far as exploring better ways... Tribunal went through several iterations before it was scrapped as too inefficient. They tried rolling (effectively permanent) chat bans before they settled on the current system. Is it perfect? No. But I do think it's better than a lot of "solutions" I've seen suggested in the forums and boards.

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

That's fair enough, but still I think there is something that can help or just because it's not helping they can't keep trying I mean they could create a department that works towards this as in hiring moderators and aggressively pursuing the issue at hand . like It's just a cop out when you say it's the players responsibility but you have a free game that people can make multiple accounts there's undermining of the rules, and you group all the players together when you only have to be older than 13 not old enough to get a job or drive a car and your expected to behave the same and take the same responsibility as an adult player and the age of players is so drastic. It needs to be addressed before they just end up a case study of how you don't foster a gaming community for futures companies

AJStarhikerFeb 11, 20181 votes

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That's fair enough, but still I think there is something that can help or just because it's not helping they can't keep trying I mean they could create a department that works towards this as in hiring moderators and aggressively pursuing the issue at hand . like It's just a cop out when you say it's the players responsibility but you have a free game that people can make multiple accounts there's undermining of the rules, and you group all the players together when you only have to be older than 13 not old enough to get a job or drive a car and your expected to behave the same and take the same responsibility as an adult player and the age of players is so drastic. It needs to be addressed before they just end up a case study of how you don't foster a gaming community for futures companies

Yes, there has to be a certain amount of player responsibility. It's a two-way street. Riot has a responsibility to act when their platform is abused, but it's also our responsibility as players to point out there is a problem for them to check.

chronicbomber420Feb 11, 20181 votes

here's a good one when you say a bad word it automatically sends a positive message like "we can do this team", just try and stop the verbal abuse from the source. I agree there are responsibilities on both parties and we need think about our actions just as much as the company implementing the policies that protect our rights and define them. but It is a problem when you have to expect to be verbally abuse because you play this game and your only defense is to mute after you have already been verbally abuse and then report and just assume that karma will make sure that player gets what they deserve. In reality it's not really helping either player someone got verbally abused while someone doesn't understand why they are in trouble. Now I get it that you can't predict when and how it's going to happen but that's insane "we can't go back in time" that's the response i get, like well if we get to the root of the problem maybe we can make a difference and we can only do that by talking and debating

chronicbomber420Feb 11, 20181 votes

or even an approach that's proactive in teaching players to de-escalate situations instead of well you can mute and report. it's nice you can mute and you do have something you can do but it's not stopping whats going around you know what i mean.

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20181 votes

Verbal abuse doesn't stop being verbal abuse just because you're saying it in retaliation.

Mute them if they are starting to get under your skin. Report them after the game ends.

x2lifts a savageFeb 25, 20181 votes

riot has a teen market so how does muting and reporting train children for every day life? like being bullied at school for example one doesn't just mute a bully and go on about their day........trash system

AeroWaffleFeb 25, 20181 votes

If someone is annoying you at the workplace, be it customer or fellow employee, you don't scream obscenities at them back. You handle them through the appropriate channels.

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

but it still doesn't hide the fact that the system in place doesn't work. verbal abuse happens almost every game and riot does nothing about it. you can mute people but that's your responsibility and not riots? the problem is the verbal abuse from the community that isn't being controlled by riot in the first place then there wouldn't be retaliation lol

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20181 votes

You're responsible for your behavior. They are responsible for their behavior.

You're free to not mute the player but regardless of muting the player or not, you are still responsible of your behavior no matter what their behavior is. Riot can't proactively ban every player before they display it, they don't have access to time travel.

If Riot doesn't do anything about it how are all these users that come to this board complaining about getting banned for verbal abuse?

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

I understand you have to be responsible for your behavior, that is something that can be applied to life in general. you will go to jail for breaking the law however the government doesn't let people break the law and throw other people in jail based on lines that aren't clear such as what determines a players toxicity or what actually makes that player negative and deserving of punishment. Riot in fact could be more assertive in their community such as adding more strict chat bans to cool off players instead of just letting them run their mouths

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

the fact that y'all are saying look at the boards plenty of people complain about being banned means there's a problem that isn't being fixed no matter how you look at it or who's fault it is. I'm not satisfied with the it's your responsibility too reply that isn't helping saying well you need to be proactive because it's not my job nothing i can do

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20182 votes

How is people coming to the board complaining about their ban for their poor behavior proof that the system isn't working?

Riot can't just snap their fingers and make everyone who has poor behavior disappear from their servers.

The person with poor behavior has to display the poor behavior, people need to report them, Riot has to detect and confirm the reports (through an automated system since it's impossible to police millions of players manually), then the punishment is issued.

FYI, use the reply tool if you're going to reply to someone.

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

because the poor behavior is happening, the whole point of the system is to stop poor behavior in games, what else is it for? what do you mean a bunch of people complaining means there isn't a problem, if there wasn't a problem they wouldn't be complaining? riot CAN however, try other ways to improve player behavior for the overall health of the community that is something they can do right?

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20181 votes

Riot is still not capable of time travel. They can't ban people for poor behavior before they actually display the poor behavior.

There will always be people in the game that are rude. Because there are plenty of people who will be rude.

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

let's just use predatory lending as an example from a case study where a bad system was in place that led to a disaster in US history. so the housing market in the 90's was booming because a lot of people were buying house's because incentives from the government and banks encourages their banker to loan out whatever they could because of these incentives from the government even if the person couldn't pay it back so what happened? the housing market crash you know when everybody couldn't pay back the mortgages and the market collapsed and now we have laws against predatory lending for banks. so if you think about it league is like a government that sets these rules for players to follow but they have a flawed system in place that could use improvements

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20182 votes

League is not a housing market nor are they the government. Riot is a video game company.

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

but that example still applies and can be learned from, the fact that a flawed system led people to wrong decisions that ended up collapsing a whole market. league does have responsibility of the impression their game leaves on young and developing minds and if they don't that is morally sickening

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

the fact that tyler1 is an idol in the league community proves my accusation

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

a company can still be a separate entity in it's own, that's how they are taxed and i know for a FACT RIOT PAYS TAXES so this does apply

chronicbomber420Feb 10, 20181 votes

I'm just saying if 7/10 games someone is being verbally abusive that should be viewed as a problem that isn't just the players responsibility

chronicbomber420Feb 25, 20181 votes

UPDATE: league is having a fundraiser for the victims in the parkland shooting that occurred in Florida, lets pray that they can start a program to bring verbal abuse and the mental conditions subjected through stressful environments to light next and discus how our community can make a difference so we can actually make a difference in the crisis in america today