Oh yes

need a namexD·May 4, 2018·21 votes·8,914 views

Context: i lose lane. My enemy laners jungle trolls by running it down mid with triple zeal and mobilit boots. Katarina said absolutely nothing in all chat whole game. I win. I report katarina for winning lane in toxic category, wtihout knowing she was flaming jarvan in team chat. My point: i've been calling tribunal a.i for simple and unfair for so long saying it's litterally just pressing ctrl+f searching for profanity and when i've said that i've just been downvoted and ''corrected'' BUT TODAY I FINALLY PROVED I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE ALL WRONG. GET FUCKED. DON'T EVER TELL ME IM WRONG ON THIS TOPIC AGAIN. I WAS FLUENT IN ENGLISH SINCE SEASON 3. GET A GRIP YOU LITTLE SHITS AND FIX TRIBUNAL IT'S SO UNFAIR AND DOGSHIT THAT I HAVE TO WHITEKNIGHT THE GUY I JUST GOT BANNED OUT OF TILT ROFL

60 Comments

ChermorgMay 4, 20186 votes

How does your report somehow correlate to Katarina using profanity? You don’t know why they were punished, and you admit that, yet you then claim this is somehow proof of your conspiracy theory?

There is no “ctrl+f” for profanity except for hate speech - so either Katarina used hate speech, or she was toxic in chat. Profanity is not taken into account. You can say fuck all you fucking want.

Bronze 1 99LPMay 4, 20182 votes

for once you are right haha

need a namexDMay 4, 20186 votes

she was toxic in chat and used hate speech and my point is that she NEVER FUCKING DID IT IN ALL CHAT AND MY REPORT SHOULD NOT HAVE COUNTED TOWARDS KATARINAS PUNISHMENT AND PLAYERS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REPORT ENEMY PLAYERS oh i wasn't on katarinas team btw i lost lane to her my report was litterally: pls ban i buy rp for 100$ with paysafe card just as a joke but still edit: how can my report for verbal abuse count if she never abused me verbally in all chat [sg-lux-2]

ChermorgMay 4, 20185 votes

How do you know your report counted? It’s more likely others on her team also reported her and the notice went to you as you reported - the notice is sent to either one player who reported or all who reported - no discrimination based on if the report “counted” or not.

Maybe you shouldn’t report players who didn’t behave poorly that you can see?

need a namexDMay 4, 20185 votes

''Maybe you shouldn’t report players who didn’t behave poorly that you can see?'' exactly why i'm white knighting katarina on boards right now all reports count they're all sent to ''investigation''

ChermorgMay 4, 20185 votes

It only takes one report to trigger an investigation.

I can virtually guarantee someone on their team reported them. That report triggered the investigation. It would have happened regardless of your report.

need a namexDMay 4, 20184 votes

and i contributed

ChermorgMay 4, 20183 votes

The exact same outcome would almost certainly have happened without your report. The removal of your report would not have resulted in them not getting punished.

need a namexDMay 4, 20183 votes

you still shouldn't be allowed to report enemy players

underscores222May 4, 20181 votes

There are many times when enemy players are verbally abusive to the other team, are clearly intentionally feeding, or have an offensive name. Several of the report categories do not require "verbal" interaction to be valid reasons to report. Why should you not be allowed to report someone who is making the game worse?

Imperial PandaaMay 6, 20181 votes

Why not? What if you are going against a 5 man team and they are being racists and toxic in all chat?

XidphelMay 4, 20181 votes

No you didn't.

Autrah FangMay 5, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=need a namexD,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-05-04T14:24:51.163+0000)

oh i wasn't on katarinas team btw i lost lane to her my report was litterally: pls ban i buy rp for 100$ with paysafe card

sooo...

did you? (i know you say it was a joke, but since she got punished now you have to anyway :P)

need a namexDMay 5, 20182 votes

gonna save up first didn't actually think riot was going to take me serious smh

KoreanEzModeMay 4, 20184 votes

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You can say fuck all you fucking want.

Screenshotting this for future purposes...incase..

Autrah FangMay 5, 20181 votes

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Screenshotting this for future purposes...incase..

oohhh... it took until your quote of that sentence for me to see the "say" in it... i read it as "You can fuck all you fucking want" until then LOL

Imperial PandaaMay 6, 20181 votes

Keep in mind that it is general "fuck" if you use it to target/harass then it isn't good.

E.g. "Fuck that ability" ok "Fuck you jg." not so much.

SyraKenMay 4, 201812 votes

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How does your report somehow correlate to Katarina using profanity? You don’t know why they were punished, and you admit that, yet you then claim this is somehow proof of your conspiracy theory?

There is no “ctrl+f” for profanity except for hate speech - so either Katarina used hate speech, or she was toxic in chat. Profanity is not taken into account. You can say fuck all you fucking want.

I think you're missing the point of he blindly reported Katarina for doing well in her lane and saying nothing in all chat. He's saying that he unjustly sent a report to her, and for all we know the only thing she said was that one her teammates was acting like a child.

We have just witnessed proof of someone troll reporting.

ChermorgMay 4, 20181 votes

I don’t think anyone’s ever denied some players troll in their reports.

The actual influence of those “troll reports” compared to if they did not exist is next to nil. The vast majority of players punished have been reported by multiple people in the game.

SyraKenMay 4, 201811 votes

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I don’t think anyone’s ever denied some players troll in their reports.

The actual influence of those “troll reports” compared to if they did not exist is next to nil. The vast majority of players punished have been reported by multiple people in the game.

And how would you know their influence was next to nil? As we know that IFS is grown with "machine learning" if enough trolls report erroneously just for the sake of trolling others (like we just saw here admitted) then the machine starts going "enough players reported on it so it must be bad so it must be punished" even if its not something that should get a player punished, like calling someone a child. The Machine Is Being Taught Wrong And The Trolls Are Winning.

ChermorgMay 4, 20182 votes

Riot has statisticians who review data before it’s used to train the machine learning. It is trivial to eliminate obvious troll reports, and it is very easy to do so - even with a computer system.

SyraKenMay 4, 201813 votes

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Riot has statisticians who review data before it’s used to train the machine learning. It is trivial to eliminate obvious troll reports, and it is very easy to do so - even with a computer system.

Dang, sounds like you got all this inside information no one else does. So I think I saw someone say there are like 80 million players a month? And knowing there are millions of trolls who are trolling and submitting millions of false reports YOU ARE TELLING ME ITS TRIVIAL TO ELIMINATE MILLIONS OF THEM? Also, you disregard the not so obvious troll reports.

ChermorgMay 4, 20182 votes

Yes, it is. It's very trivial to say "if player reported is on enemy team, and did not say anything in all chat, disregard report". That is easily computer done.

Further, they do not need to eliminate millions of them. They can take a random sample of, say, 1000, determine which ones are false out of that random sample, then use the remainder to train.

Statistics is a fun subject. I'd recommend anyone concerned about this look into response bias and the many ways it can be corrected. You'd be surprised just how powerful statistics can be.

SyraKenMay 4, 20189 votes

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Yes, it is. It's very trivial to say "if player reported is on enemy team, and did not say anything in all chat, disregard report". That is easily computer done.

Further, they do not need to eliminate millions of them. They can take a random sample of, say, 1000, determine which ones are false out of that random sample, then use the remainder to train.

Statistics is a fun subject. I'd recommend anyone concerned about this look into response bias and the many ways it can be corrected. You'd be surprised just how powerful statistics can be.

Statistics also said Hillary Clinton would beat Trump. Statistics are neither always reliable nor are they always correct. They can be duped, spoofed, and manipulated. Especially when you consistently have millions of inputs a month.

ChermorgMay 4, 20181 votes

You have it backwards. It's one of the most basic concepts in statistics that with increased sample size actually comes decreased chance of error, increased reliability, and increased internal and external validity.

SyraKenMay 4, 201812 votes

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You have it backwards. It's one of the most basic concepts in statistics that with increased sample size actually comes decreased chance of error, increased reliability, and increased internal and external validity.

Again, spoofed, duped, manipulated. Survey 1 million people if they would rather have chocolate or vanilla ice cream. 40% say chocolate, 60% say vanilla. Then you can say that more people like vanilla then chocolate. What we dont know is A) How many of these people had a chocolate allergy, B) How many of these people recently had chocolate and wanted vanilla now C) How many of these people live in an area where chocolate isn't normally served and simply isn't an option D) How many of these are from "We only eat Vanilla" fan clubs. Etc.

If you have Biased Information From a Biased Population (millions of troll reports) you get Biased Data which leads to Faulty Statistical Information. _ THAT_ is Statistics 101, For Your Information. [slayer-jinx-catface]

ChermorgMay 4, 20183 votes

If you're trying to determine if more people like chocolate or vanilla, and you survey 1,000,000 people and more of them prefer chocolate, it's safe to say that the population prefers chocolate.

We don't care why the population prefers chocolate (allergy, isn't an option, etc). We only care if they do.

You are not describing population bias - you're describing a population that legitimately prefers vanilla over chocolate for whatever reason.

I'd also further love to see your statistics showing "millions of troll reports" because that simply isn't true.

I'm done debating elementary statistics with you. It's obvious you are the person who is "spoofing" the field of statistics for your own gain in this debate and have no intention of actually using statistical methods to prove anything.

SyraKenMay 4, 201811 votes

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If you're trying to determine if more people like chocolate or vanilla, and you survey 1,000,000 people and more of them prefer chocolate, it's safe to say that the population prefers chocolate.

We don't care why the population prefers chocolate (allergy, isn't an option, etc). We only care if they do.

You are not describing population bias - you're describing a population that legitimately prefers vanilla over chocolate for whatever reason.

I'd also further love to see your statistics showing "millions of troll reports" because that simply isn't true.

I'm done debating elementary statistics with you. It's obvious you are the person who is "spoofing" the field of statistics for your own gain in this debate and have no intention of actually using statistical methods to prove anything.

No, you have described a scenario where you disconsider the sampling pool that can be manipulated just by asking population A) rather than population B). If you go to a State where Chocolate is the State Food, then you will probably be able to find a population of 1,000,000 where more people will say they prefer chocolate over vanilla, thus you can say people prefer chocolate over vanilla.

Where the information comes from IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT in determining the legitimacy and accuracy of the statistical data. Survey 10 people and they all say smoking isn't that bad. Survey 1,000 people and they say smoking isn't that bad. But if you don't reveal that they all worked for a tobacco company, you'd never know how biased and faulty the information was. You'd know that if you knew anything about statistics. [slayer-jinx-catface]

LastingDamageMay 4, 20182 votes

If you want to find out how many people like what flavour then you don't care about the reason. You built statistics for a question 'do you like chocoate or vanilla', not 'do you like chocolate and vanilla and for what reason'. So applying this example to the reports in league is not reliable unless you apply to a single variable. the machine will likely have a checklist that will control variables and makes a decision comparing it to its statistical data. When the decision falls between certain values that make the decision uncertain, it goes to a human to decide. Of course I have no knowledge what riot is running to process reports but from my work I know you will not leave complex automation that interact with your customers run amok without checkpoints and controls as it would impose a risk to your business. OP's example doesnt really expose anything as we don't know how his report contributed (if at all), what kat has done, how many other players reported her, how many times she was reported recently etc. Btw I did love tribunals.

GrokmirMay 6, 20181 votes

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Again, spoofed, duped, manipulated. Survey 1 million people if they would rather have chocolate or vanilla ice cream. 40% say chocolate, 60% say vanilla. Then you can say that more people like vanilla then chocolate. What we dont know is A) How many of these people had a chocolate allergy, B) How many of these people recently had chocolate and wanted vanilla now C) How many of these people live in an area where chocolate isn't normally served and simply isn't an option D) How many of these are from "We only eat Vanilla" fan clubs. Etc.

If you have Biased Information From a Biased Population (millions of troll reports) you get Biased Data which leads to Faulty Statistical Information. _ THAT_ is Statistics 101, For Your Information. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Tbf the way you asked your ice cream question implies personal preference at the time it was asked, so all of your points aren't even relevant to your own analogy.

And point A and D aren't relevant regardless.

Bias is something that needs to be dealt with, but only relevant bias that actually affects the outcome of your data that you care about in a negative way.

BestPudgeNAMay 5, 20181 votes

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How does your report somehow correlate to Katarina using profanity? You don’t know why they were punished, and you admit that, yet you then claim this is somehow proof of your conspiracy theory?

There is no “ctrl+f” for profanity except for hate speech - so either Katarina used hate speech, or she was toxic in chat. Profanity is not taken into account. You can say fuck all you fucking want.

Really i got chat restricted today for telling some players that were flaming me they're fucking bad. The rest of the chat logs include sarcastically telling them good job when the died and stuff like that.

Imperial PandaaMay 6, 20181 votes

So you flamed them and then were passive aggressive?

BestPudgeNAMay 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nVQnuAMk,comment-id=000100040000,timestamp=2018-05-06T16:18:01.105+0000)

So you flamed them and then were passive aggressive?

I teased them, not really passive aggressive. Is playful teasing against the summons code? is it even something wrong? I'd say no.

But i've told people they're bad before, i've said much worse and i've heard much worse. The people that flamed me flamed me much harder, but i got hit and i'm confident keyword usage was what got me.

Imperial PandaaMay 6, 20181 votes

That can be passive aggressive, yes. Only real way to tell is if you make a post with yours logs.

Context matters for keywords except hate speech/encouraging self harm stuff.

SukishooMay 4, 20186 votes

You don't know that you got them banned, those popups are for all Punishments.

OpdíMay 4, 20182 votes

You only get the popup within 10-15 minutes of a report otherwise you won't see it, unless you logged out too quickly, then you'll see it when you log back in. If you get one of these following a game you can be 100% sure it was from that game

SukishooMay 4, 20181 votes

Yes, but they said " I HAVE TO WHITEKNIGHT THE GUY I JUST GOT BANNED"

Assuming that their punishment was a ban. Which, they do not know it was, as the popup does not specify a punishment.

XidphelMay 4, 20183 votes

Context:

Some asshole got banned.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/70c708e26fb830f6271385a86ba0728d/tenor.gif?itemid=3964997

need a namexDMay 4, 20181 votes

lol

Bronze 1 99LPMay 4, 20182 votes

tribunal

haha i laugh

need a namexDMay 4, 20181 votes

idk whats it's called to be fair but do you think my report should count towards kata when i can't even see what she has been typing the whole game? i litterally just reported her for winning lane in verbal abuse

Bronze 1 99LPMay 4, 20182 votes

tribunal hasn't been a thing since like 2014 dude. And yeah your reports should count, since the automated system will detect if it's a valid report or not

need a namexDMay 4, 20181 votes

i was never verbally abused by katarina tho and my report litterally said: pls ban i buy rp for 100$ with paysafe

Bronze 1 99LPMay 4, 20182 votes

you reported her and her teammates probably reported her as well and since the report was valid she got punished and you got a message saying a player you reported has been punished. Why is that so bad for you?

XidphelMay 4, 20182 votes

I laughed. "Ha ha ha" I chuckled!

Bronze 1 99LPMay 4, 20182 votes

boyish giggles

DrugothMay 4, 20182 votes

But why? Why did you report someone for toxicity when they said nothing to you all game? Why not report the blatantly intentional feeder instead? Besides, it's not like its 100% that it was the Katarina that got banned anyways, it could be any number of people you've reported.

ºMaster YiºMay 13, 20181 votes

He's proving a point.

EL HAMSTEROMay 5, 20182 votes

ive gotten feedback reports quite a few times from blind reporting. sometimes you can just tell after the game if someone on the other team writes something bitter that they were probably toxic.

system working as intended!