Why do we encourage people that bait reports?

HooliganGunner·Sep 13, 2016·9 votes·1,155 views

I absolutely hate seeing people on the rift that intentionally troll and bait out people to flame them then go to the forums acting all high and mighty that they got someone reported and in trouble for flaming them. Really think people that are clearly intentionally trying to get themselves victimized to flaming and toxicity should face heavier punishments than the people who flame them after they intent feed other lanes, say things like "why would i try when i can make you lose and report you", and then post pictures of the "due to your recent report blah blah blah" pictures and say stupid shit like "this is why I play league, to get these messages"

19 Comments

Deep Terror NamiSep 13, 20166 votes

Who, except for other trolls, is encouraging that behavior? I feel like you are saying that anyone that posts their punishment notification baited the people into it.

HooliganGunnerSep 13, 20163 votes

one of the number one posts right now is people all happy about getting people flamed and many of them are saying "this is the only reason i play the game is to get people to flame so they get banned lol"

Deep Terror NamiSep 13, 20163 votes

Ok? I don't know what thread you are talking about, but you have not said they are baiting reports, you are only saying they are happy they contributed to getting a toxic player punished.

There are certainly people that do bait people into flaming so they can report them, but these people typically end up getting punished because they truly are toxic people, and they are much less common than the former.

Besides, the boards are not representative of the community as a whole. It is folly to believe they are, because it's usually the minority who are the loudest.

Archaic MythosSep 14, 20161 votes

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Ok? I don't know what thread you are talking about, but you have not said they are baiting reports, you are only saying they are happy they contributed to getting a toxic player punished.

There are certainly people that do bait people into flaming so they can report them, but these people typically end up getting punished because they truly are toxic people, and they are much less common than the former.

Besides, the boards are not representative of the community as a whole. It is folly to believe they are, because it's usually the minority who are the loudest.

Really? What would you guess is the proportion of people banned who are verbally reacting to gameplay griefing behaviors i.e. silent griefing, baiting out reactions, outright feeding or baiting teammates to die by malaciously failing to act in encounters (engage then not cast abilities and walk away for your teammate to die.)

Sure there are probably a good amount of verbally toxic players who are miserable people even when they are winning and they should rightfully be punished.

But where are all the stats on players causing game ending -TOXICITY- You can mute a player if hes verbally abusive.. wouldn't it be fair to say if you have someone refusing to play the game they might as well be marked for leave buster since this one person out of the other 9 in the game decides hes going to ruin it for the rest ?

You can't mute someone who has decided he wants his own team to lose by any means necessary

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20162 votes

We're talking about a related topic, but not this. If you want to discuss how to handle gameplay trolling I suggest making a new post.

However, I will say this one thing about it; How exactly do you think you are helping when you get toxic to a troll?

Archaic MythosSep 14, 20161 votes

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We're talking about a related topic, but not this. If you want to discuss how to handle gameplay trolling I suggest making a new post.

However, I will say this one thing about it; How exactly do you think you are helping when you get toxic to a troll?

Umm, it's pretty relevant since it ties in to the whole "ill derive fun from silently griefing then playing the victim when my teammates call me out on it and then get the trolled player(s) banned for reacting"

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20162 votes

I indulged you anyway. Will you not answer?

Archaic MythosSep 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=n1Pw5nE6,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-14T00:22:05.096+0000) However, I will say this one thing about it; How exactly do you think you are helping when you get toxic to a troll? I indulged you anyway. Will you not answer?

Umm, most people don't want to 'get toxic' to a troll. Most people want to have a good time and enjoy the game.. But you can only eat poop so many times before you decide its not your favorite thing to do

See the problem with LoL as you know is you're stuck in a game for 40 MINUTES with no way out, when your time / account+money becomes held hostage by someone ruining a game you become uncomfortable.. even angry ... no?

People are human and they can only take so much abuse from their teammates whether its verbal or gameplay.. atleast the verbally abused have the mute option, no?

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20163 votes

I'm not seeing anywhere here that suggests resorting to toxic behavior improves the situation for anyone. Am I right to assume that you know it does not?

Is this the part where you respond with 'salt' or 'triggered' ?

Why would I say that? If you are expecting a toxic reaction from me then you haven't been paying attention to my message; it does not help and almost certainly hurts.

FaytalityHDv2Sep 13, 20165 votes

I too find that recent trend of people showing off their contribution to getting others banned really disgusting. Again one of the major flaws of automatic bots handing out reports is that they cant see the connection, the reason thatled those players to flame. To me this kind of behavior youre referring to here is the single most disgusting thing to do in league not factoring in 3rd party scripts etc, those guys are on yet another level. Whats worst is that those players as you said very rarely get punished, we need a dedicated tribunal and put an end to the bots uprising for they will replace us if we dont act quickly! We need smart leadership, smart people deciding about important things!

Awkward CouchSep 13, 20162 votes

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I too find that recent trend of people showing off their contribution to getting others banned really disgusting. Again one of the major flaws of automatic bots handing out reports is that they cant see the connection, the reason thatled those players to flame. To me this kind of behavior youre referring to here is the single most disgusting thing to do in league not factoring in 3rd party scripts etc, those guys are on yet another level. Whats worst is that those players as you said very rarely get punished, we need a dedicated tribunal and put an end to the bots uprising for they will replace us if we dont act quickly! We need smart leadership, smart people deciding about important things!

The problem with that is, Riot's tried a tribunal before and it failed miserably. The old tribunal was slow, the massive backlog caused players to get punished for games that happened for more than a month previous. The old tribunal was ineffective, players would just stacks thousands of games worth of chat restrictions, and then just feed and not get punished at all. And finally, there was a severe lack of participation in the Tribunal. Sure it'd be great to have a tribunal back, but it's been done and it hasn't really worked.

AraMoOseSep 13, 20163 votes

You do understand that if you don't flame people, this is not an issue right?

HooliganGunnerSep 13, 20162 votes

I never said I was flaming people, i just see way too often people that intentionally bait out flamers when in all reality the baiters are more toxic than the people that flame

AraMoOseSep 13, 20163 votes

Ah, well if you are capable of not flaming these people when they "bait" you, then you understand that these other people "being baited" are also capable of the same.

 In the scenario you describe, I would report both these players. You don't clean up a pile of poop by vomiting on it. That just makes 2 messes instead of one.

FaytalityHDv2Sep 14, 20162 votes

When you get attacked in actual life you are allowed to fight back. I the end the person attacking you gets punished not the one reacting to it. Remaining silent sounds easy but even the most resilient are prone to being driven mad by offenses and troll aimed at ruining your game.

AraMoOseSep 14, 20161 votes

This is not true : You are allowed to defend yourself. Fighting back is not defending yourself. This difference between self defense and counter attack is an exact analog for "muting and reporting them" and "flaming them back".

TrulyBlandSep 14, 20162 votes

Apart from the fact that fighting back against a physical attack is meant to defend more than just your ego, it also actually has the chance of protecting the thing you want to protect. In this game, you're just making things worse if you fight back. Flaming a flamer just ignites a flame war. Flaming a troll just gives them what they want.

Edit: And both of these make things not only worse for others, but also for you. So, an appropriate scenario would be: Somebody attacks you and you fight back by firing a gun indiscriminately at everything that moves... including yourself. Apart from obviously not being very smart, that would definitely be illegal where I'm from, and I sincerely hope in all other countries as well.