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Toxicity, The problem with using chat In-game. And why Voice chat would be help.

phoinix··2 votes·1,917 views

Here is the problem with actually trying to communicate with your team. Many times I, or another player will make a statement in hopes to improve the outcome of the game or something with no Ill-intent towards another player but someone takes it as a personal threat and reacts in an overblown toxic rage.

Just earlier today I was playing ADC Caitlyn with a support Morgana . She was w'ing the minion wave after I had q'd when we were shoving and she unfortunately miss timed (at least I hope) it so that she got all the cs SEVERAL times. With no intent of offending her I asked "Could you let me control the wave please? I keep missing cs".At this point it was 10 minutes in and she had 21 cs (4 waves) with item 3098 ...that's giving the enemy ADC a 21 cs lead which is MORE than a kill is worth..I was telling her this because I wanted both of us to win and the gold would be of better use on the ADC. On top of the cs every kill we accumulated (5) was stacked on her so i really needed the CS to be useful. What did I get in response? Personal attacks about "how shit I am" and "uninstall league". Being severely behind as a mid-game Caitlyn I had little impact on the game and believe it or not, the Morgana could not carry with the gold.We lost with 3 players raging.

Here I was trying to **IMPROVE ** our chances of winning and instead I get shit thrown back in my face and having 3 players tilting and pinging question marks everywhere. Honestly the games I /muteall and say nothing in chat I do better which is really sad. Especially since if I hypothetically could communicate with others in a rational manner, our team would synergize even better.

It wouldn't be a problem if it only happened occasionally but that's not the case. A little later I got a 1v3 triple kill from a Nice Ekko Q R combo and as I was about to clean up the last kill who had 43 hp for a quadra, our support Blitzcrank decided to hook and take it to which I stated "Man I was gonna get a Quadra and the gold would probably be more useful on me...plus I'm trying to get an S on Ekko for mastery 6 so I'd appreciate If I could take them"2 players then shit talked me the rest of the game thinking I was attacking his "skill level" and our now rage-induced Fiora started following me to take cs AND BLUE saying"I don't deserve them like that quadra".

Can I seriously not make comments that are in the best interest of the team without them being mistaken for toxic attacks and have to resort to using the /muteall command every game just to keep my sanity?I WANT to communicate with my team so we can synergize but it seems with the emotional state of the average league player its not possible in 9/10 games.

How can we solve this? Voice chat. The tone of voice can mean all the difference when trying to communicate. If I say "Could you let me control the wave please? I keep missing cs" in a polite tone rather than text I don't think I'd ever have this toxic response issue and people would be more likely to cooperate. On top of this hearing someones voice helps remind the other person they are talking to another ** REAL PERSON**. In Addition, talking In voice chat would be quicker and promote team synergy, not discourage it like the current system (not that the current system INHERENTLY discourages teamwork ,just with the current state of the player base it does). League Is all about teamwork and team-oriented strategy ESPECIALLY after season 6. So many other competitive games have voice chat and it works so why not League? What do you guys think of Voice chat?Do you think it would work?

11 Comments

Final Spark Lux2 votes

Yeah. Why be toxic in chat when they can be toxic over voice. Great idea

Toytum1 votes

You've got it all wrong, most people are only toxic over chat because they are too scared to be a total ass in person and voice chat brings the relationship between players just a little bit closer to a real life interaction. Sure, there will still be toxic players but it will not be a 100% transfer of people who are toxic that will be toxic over voice. Plus being able to communicate over voice will make it so people aren't wasting time farming/fighting and can explain themselves or statements they make better than if they did it over text because text chat gets misinterpreted so often.

Touch My Box1 votes

It will help reduce the miscommunication lost through text, but it will also help trolls.

It apparently also makes girls uncomfortable for some stupid reason.

RIOT have already said they will never put VOIP in, because apparently the studies show it increases the level of toxicity, and makes the insults more personal.

phoinix1 votes

Hmm thats Interesting I would love to see that study because it goes against everything I've experienced with voice chat. For me, when I play games like CS:GO and Overwatch which have voice chat sure you get the occasional toxic person roaring about how everyone sucks, But 90% of the time I've noticed people are just being objective about things or trying to be humorous.I have witnessed people typing all sorts of shit in chat then some person starts talking in voice chat and all rage quietens down.

Touch My Box1 votes

People assume everything is toxic, because shithead snowflakes call everything toxic.

League actually isn't toxic at all (much less than it was in any case), but because a few crybabies said it was toxic, the whole internet thinks it is toxic and by extension we assume any question or any comment is said with ill intent.

If everyone just calmed the fuck down and realized that there is a difference between rudeness and toxicity, people will be more focused on the game.

Touch My Box1 votes

It would seem they are warming up to the idea of it, perhaps that is why there is a new client. http://www.riftherald.com/culture/2016/6/22/11978046/riot-games-league-of-legends-voice-chat

phoinix1 votes

We believe League as a team sport should reward coordination, and that voice chat is a valuable tool for getting teams (and strangers) aligned. We'll probably begin deeper investigations once the League Client update is in a stable release so we don't have to build the feature twice, but hopefully this is a clear update on our philosophy and where we stand. We'll also give you further updates when the time comes. _ - an "Ask Riot" blog post_

_ Generally voice-chats don't lead to more toxicity as a whole. Being mean on the Internet is easy when you can just type out comments, but it's much harder to say harsh words to somebody than to type them out. Tons of online games have opt-in voice chat. Dota 2, Counter-strike: Global Offensive and Overwatch all have voice chat and it makes sense given that you need to work as a team in order to win in these games. It's no different in League. You need to work together and coordinate rotations, fights and objective-control in order to actually win_

Hmm interesting..It appears this post and what riot has said is the exact reasoning I have used.

One topic I did not bring up though is about the female fanbase. It's very understandable how it would increase 'toxicity' (I'd probably word it more along the lines of sexual harassment) seeing as the main age and gender of league players are 14-21 year old males. Of course the thing is, they don't have to use voice comms if it makes them uncomfortable and it would be no different to how it is now except those who are comfortable using voice communication would be able to synergize better (inculding their teammates and even them listening).Plenty of males are uncomfortable using voice communication too but should we really say NO to everyone just because some don't want to use it themselves?No one is forcing them to it's not like everyone in CS:GO and Overwatch are using it its optional.

Touch My Box1 votes

{quoted}

_ -_ an "Ask Riot" blog post_ Tons of online games have opt-in voice chat. Dota 2, Counter-strike: Global Offensive and Overwatch all have voice chat and it makes sense given that you need to work as a team in order to win in these games. It's no different in League. You need to work together and coordinate rotations, fights and objective-control in order to actually win_

Hmm interesting..It appears this post and what riot has said is the exact reasoning I have used.

One topic I did not bring up though is about the female fanbase. It's very understandable how it would increase 'toxicity' (I'd probably word it more along the lines of sexual harassment) seeing as the main age and gender of league players are 14-21 year old males. Of course the thing is, they don't have to use voice comms if it makes them uncomfortable and it would be no different to how it is now except those who are comfortable using voice communication would be able to synergize better (inculding their teammates and even them listening).Plenty of males are uncomfortable using voice communication too but should we really say NO to everyone just because some don't want to use it themselves?No one is forcing them to it's not like everyone in CS:GO and Overwatch are using it its optional.

Exactly right.

As a side note, when your name is "xXPrincessBubblegumXx" I don't need voice comms to know you're lacking a dick.

Although....

No VoiP = More Toxicity = More Bans = More accounts = More Rioit points.

Touch My Box1 votes

I think the best part of that story, is being reminded that Fuckwit Riot Lyte isn't there anymore.

Touch My Box1 votes

Although to be fair, if you have played Overwatch you would know you get people who just spam random loud noise on mic or music, so that no one can use it.

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