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Considering their Life Ideals, Why is Camille and Jinx's connection so minimal?

phoinix··9 votes·2,770 views

This has really gotten on my nerves.. They are literally the incarnation of opposite philosophies of how the region of Piltover and Zaun should exist.One DESPISES rules and will go through any psychopathic lengths to ensure chaos and anarchy rules so she, and anyone else can do whatever the hell they want.Meanwhile the other will assassinate anyone in cold blood who does not have a place within the progressive nature of the industrial nations.

Jinx's lore literally states : > Piltover had long been known as the City of Progress, a place where peace and order reigned. That serenity was challenged when a new kind of criminal arrived, the likes of whom had never been seen. This mysterious outlaw unleashed a series of warped and destructive capers that endangered the entire city, and left its people reeling from the worst crime spree in Piltover's history and the city plunged into utter darkness for the very first time.

Surely this warrants more lore connection than a simple in-game taunt saying "Your antics have become a liability." No shit. The Piltover/Zaun story arc for the most part is the only lore I really care about because it's based on the industrial revolution and possibly the most Fundamental question that has come along with it. How much value should we place on the individual, and the "Machine" known as humanity? This question is still being asked, changed and re-implemented today in politics everywhere in the world. So this creates another question.

Why the hell isn't there more connection between the two extremists?

23 Comments

GreenLore6 votes

Because in the end their way of doing things are completely disconnected.

Jinx is a terrorist and a criminal,so it is Caitlyns&Vis job to catch her.

Camille however is an assassin,she kills those who could grow too much in power even if they didn't do anything evil.She would likely kill Jinx if she had the chance to,but there is no reason for her to actively pursue Jinx.

Also Camille does seem to have a connection to Vi(with one of Camilles quotes implying that she killed Vis parents),which actually makes sense cause Camille and Vi can just as easily be seen as opposites. I mean both are protectors of Piltover,one is young,follows her emotions and uses her fists,the other is old,strictly follows her orders and uses her legs.

phoinix3 votes

Interesting but I still have to disagree.Camille's concerns as stated in her comic is about the balance of power in the machine. Big or small part Piltovian or some zaun sumsnipe.Jinx has a terribly large influence over this machine and doesn't require wealth to have such power.Thus far the piltovian law inforcement has shown itself incapable of dealing with this criminal.Surely the vigilante assassin Camille would then take an interest?I guess you can say her quote to jinx is such...but again that is so lack luster.

GreenLore2 votes

But Camille also believes in that everyone is a part of the machine. And a part fullfills a very specific purpose,so why would Camille act outside of her job to pursue jinx?

Besides the kind of damag that Jinx does is mostly of physical nature. Jinx destroys stuff and kills people,but all that is damage that can pretty much heal without problems afterwards.

But a zaunite gaining lots of political power?That is something that could change Piltover as a whole and thats likely what Camille tries to prevent.

In the end though we don#t even have her full lore for now,so it is rather difficult to tell how Camille thinks and if she has a relation to Jinx or not,so we'll just have to wait and see.

phoinix1 votes

So I waited to reply until the full lore came out.With the new information I must say it planned out how I expected it to and my argument is still applicable.

It's emphasized in the lore that she is an aristocrat who's sole purpose is success in her family's clan. This of course includes dealing with people trying to rise to political power as it is a threat to an aristocratic clan, but to ignore a terrorist of the city would just be dumb. I disagree that the damage jinx does is replaceable. Destroying buildings and KILLING PEOPLE sure can cause a shit ton of damage to a city let alone a family's clan. 1 well placed random rocket in the mists of her campaign in Piltover could end Camille's clan's entire legacy.

Putting it as simply as I can:

  • Camille is part of a** PROTECTIVE FORCE** that every powerful family in Piltover contributes to to ensure the** BALANCE OF POWER IN PILTOVER** is maintained and that they stay at the top of the socioeconomic ladder.

  • Jinx is a psycho maniac who kills random people and building because she ** HATES FOLLOWING RULES** and wants to ** ELIMINATE RULES IN PILTOVER**.

  • Jinx could blow up buildings or people in CAMILLE'S CLAN .

  • In society **RULES=LAW **

  • ** NO LAW** means the BALANCE OF POWER is disrupted especially for aristocrats.

  • Jinx is a THREAT to Camille and Camille is a** THREAT** to Jinx.

Therefore I can logically conclude There should be a ** CONFLICT**.

She's not even in the RELATED CHARACTER section but Ekko, Ezreal, Jayce all are why?Because they're in the zaun/piltover region and poke around with hextech?I just find this absurd. It's such a simplistic idea but she's not even in the damn RELATED CHARACTER section!! [zombie-brand-mindblown]

GreenLore1 votes

Well by that logic Camille would need to hunt down every criminal,since every criminal has the chance of hurting Camilles family eventually.

Also you make it sound like Jinx is about to bring anarchy to the whole city,but thats not the case. Just because Jinx doesn't follow any laws or rules doesn't mean that she threatens these laws themselves.

phoinix1 votes

As my original post said

_ Jinx's lore literally states : Piltover had long been known as the City of Progress, a place where peace and order reigned. That serenity was challenged when a new kind of criminal arrived, the likes of whom had never been seen. This mysterious outlaw unleashed a series of warped and destructive capers that endangered the entire city, and left its people reeling from the worst crime spree in Piltover's history and the city plunged into utter darkness for the very first time._

If there was a criminal with such an impact on zaun,they too would be in the league of legends.But there is not.So its just her that is a threat.

GreenLore1 votes

And we know now that camille is mostly concerned with the wellbeing of her family. She'd surely try to kill Jinx if given the chance,but as long as she has no info about her wherabouts she can't do much about it and likely has confidence that the police will take care of this eventually.

Wonderlands2 votes

Cuz Riot doesn't give a damn about lore. The past few champs have had 3 sentence lores....

phoinix1 votes

I don't understand why they put so much effort into the art and themes of these characters then.They could easily whip up some generic characters like they have previously with just as much success at a much cheaper price.Instead they give us these intricate looking characters with little substance to follow up on. t's very similar to how Happy Games sold No Man's Sky but we all know what people think of that game now.They made a pretty penny but with the outrage they caused they lost all trust in their fans and faded into obscurity.

Beyond Legends3 votes

Now that is literally bullshit on the literal highest fucking degree. You serious or are you just fucking blind.

phoinix2 votes

Considering you didn't even address the topic I felt the need to see who would come here and downvote every comment with no reasoning as to why they disagree other than throwing insults around. unsurprisingly said person has quite the history of irrationally insulting people.Go be miserable somewhere else.

Beyond Legends2 votes

Did you read his response or are you blind too? How can you not see that is clearly bullshit? Like really Taliyah, Kled and Ivern have only 3 sentence lore now? You serious thibk that is not some class A bullshit? I'm more intrested to know the half wit morons who bother to even give him an upvote.

Also Camille full lore has yet to come out yet so any disscussion is at best speculation on her character. Wait till her bio comes out in two weeks before you judge. Piltover and Zaun retcon isn't even complete at the moment either so there is not anything substancial to discuss at the moment.

There is an clear reasoning why I insulted him for his bullshit. Pull you head outta of the sand first if want an disccussion.

phoinix1 votes

If you're interested to know,I assumed that he was not being literal about 3 sentence lore rather,some champions that have come out relatively recently have had lore which has felt lack luster. The whole argument of his post was that riot has not put as much time in to lore as they could have and considering that summoner's rift and all other in-game skirmishes iare non-canonical, I'd have to agree."A dark mysterious past "and "no one knows where he comes from" are not fantastic explanations of characters.Considering she has more interactions with Illaoi I would be very surprised if her main lore which is mostly about describing Camille, has anything to do with jinx.

Beyond Legends1 votes

BITCH CAMILLE LORE IS NOT FUCKING EVEN OUT YET FUCKING WAIT TILL IT COMES OUT YOU MORON!!

Seriously I have zero patient for people like you who can't even grasp the basic picture. Fucking Riot doesn't give a shit about lore I guess bloody Targon and Bloodline aren't a thing now. How the bloody hell do you infer that out two bloody brain dead sentences is beyond my imagination. Also did you even go through universe and read the new lores or are you talking straight outta your ass like a moron.

phoinix2 votes

FIrst of, I never stated riot doesn't care about lore.You're confusing me for someone else.I stated that parts of it are lack luster PARTS.Such as the release of ekko and bard.

I have read them and we will take ekko's story lullaby for example.It was a good way to mend what the community has turned into a meme "a dark mysterious past" However it still doesn't describe much about his past.Just that he has parents who work hard in piltover and they love each other. They created a story hook with "a dark mysterious past" and a year and a half later.Nothing.Except he loves his parents.Wow.

That is not to say that something like Jhin's lore is not fantastic. but lets take Jhin's lore for example.It is extremely tied in with shen and zed.Look at the amount of in game interactions they have.7-5.Based on previous champions follwing this formula I would be HIGHLY surprised if riot had this huge story arc with jinx in her main lore considering the interactions.Are you telling me that that is not a logical hypothesis due to previous patterns?

This post was about PILTOVER/ZAUN because it's an area I take interest in but it has TOO MANY DAMN STORY HOOKS. Caitlyn's C Nemisis,Jinx/VI sisters,The causes behind Jinx's criminal spree, insanity and targeting Vi.Vi's traumatic experience causing amnesia etc. etc. Now they release Camille.She has a part in all of this and its an opportunity to elaborate on the whole situation better.Granted the insinuation of her killing vi's parents is a slight answer.However it just creates another story hook.How did she kill them and why?Do you not see how all this incomplete story arcs can get frustrating?Perhaps some little things may be answered when her full lore is out,but I'm damn sure not half of it and the likelihood of jinx being in there is small.

Beyond Legends1 votes

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phoinix1 votes

You need to calm down dude.It's an opinion on a fictional video game storyline.I'm not being hostile I just disagree and clearly you have no interest in what I have to say so say no more about it to you I will.Please restrain your superiority complex though.People are often too quick to judge and can easily be mistaken.

GreenLore3 votes

Uhm that sounds a lot like you have no idea about the expanded lores. What champions have "dark mysterious past" or "no one knows where they come from" as their lore?

Pretty much the last ones that were released with such a lore are from several years ago.

phoinix1 votes

I was specifically talking about the enigma Bard and Ekko in those examples.This was a common complaint upon release.These were champions that were well after the new champion per fortnight era so people and I found it rather strange

GreenLore2 votes

Yeah and both were released before the new system was introduced where a champ comes out with a biography and a short lore. Not to mention that we actually have a pretty good idea about who these 2 are(Bard being a cosmic guardian and we know that Ekko is a teen genius who lives with his poor parents)

DwarvenGiant5 votes

The past few champs have had 3 sentence lores....

Those are just lore introductions. You can find full bios and color stories (as well as regional stories, like Burning Tides or Shadow and Fortune) here: http://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_PL/

Keep in mind that not every champion has an updated bio or a color text just yet- And no, that's not because "Riot doesn't give a damn" (in fact, they have two teams dedicated to lore, one of which is Narrative, that is in charge of things like the color stories, whereas the second team, Foundations, is in charge of the world-building)- So yeah, some champs don't have modern lore yet because Riot hasn't gotten to them just yet. These things take time. I wish they could just conjure lore out of nowhere, but until then, they're gonna have to keep on iterating and discussing lore internally a ton before actually publishing (which I don't mind, as long as the quality remains as great as it has recently been). :P

phoinix1 votes

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

First Stár Jinx1 votes

I feel like Jinx and Camille are related very deeply, and it would probably destroy the theory that Jinx and Vi are sisters.

Jinx is still not given a definitive last name. Think on that.

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