Boards›Player Behavior

and the community just shows its colors again, dont judge a book by its a cover

falldown010··3 votes·1,372 views
http://e.lvme.me/ujveawx.jpg

like the forum shows already, riot fanboys are straight up going to downvote everything that defends tyler1 , i mean honestly , if you judge a book, you look at the cover, not the inside, and this just shows it, they prob never watched his steams/video's

while i agree tyler did some bad stuff, and went as far to trolling if he didnt get draven, yeah that kind of behaviour is not acceptable.

The community is also at blame, and with that i mean , they also made him more toxic, they kept trolling him , etc , and made him big,by spreading the news about him , so he was pretty well known for being toxic, and a one trick draven pony, and at that point, if someone knew it was tyler, you knew that if you trolled him, he would rage, and lets all agree here, everyone enjoys it at one point, even if its just tilting your enemy laner,it sometimes make you feel good, + you gained fame by it, since he was streaming

lets have a look at it :

1:qtie and dom and his team, trolled tyler ingame pretty bad, what does riot do nothing, hence the unjustified part

2: meteos/sneaky etc (cl9 in common) did the same, but hey its tyler1 he's toxic, and deserves a ban according to riot so people are allowed to troll him

3: and last but not least, the player -,- , oh god this one, just pisses me off, i watched tyler streams sometimes as well, and let me tell you , the amount of people that tried to get bad on tyler sides, by trolling, insulting, etc is huge , if they succeed tyler would rage, in chat , and they would report him

and last but not least, he deserves the ban, but the people who force someone in an a rage/toxic behavour are also at fault, tyler said this himself when a person asked a question about why he's always angry : he said :"" i always get camped , trolled , its not fun anymore "

:^) just imagine you getting trolled and people tryng to get you to rage , just to get you banned, would you like it ?

Let the downvotes rain in (;

31 Comments

TrulyBland10 votes

The community is also at blame

Really? The community as a whole? Every single player he ever inconvenienced is to blame? Are you even aware that right now you are literally blaming everybody else but him? That's a whole new level of victim blaming right there.

The main reason (not the only one though) why retaliation is punishable, is that 99% of the time, there's collateral damage. People that wanted to do nothing but simply play the game get dragged into a poo flinging contest that heavily distrubs concentration and will most likely end in a loss because everybody subconsciously just wants this game to end as fast as possible. In my opinion, the moment your pity retaliation affects innocent bystanders, you lose all right to blame others for your reaction, no matter how much you were provoked.

RedTao1 votes

yeah that kind of behaviour is not acceptable, but The community is also at blame

Perhaps you should actually finish the quote before you start ranting. He does say that Tylers also at fault as well as the community. Maybe more the community who felt the need to get a negative reaction out of him just because they knew who he was than anyone else. From what I see in the boards if you're condemning Tylers actions and not the people who actively trying to get that negative reaction out of him, then you're being a hypocrite. The only difference between Tyler and the people prying reactions out of him is that one is known who they are and the others were not.

It'd be more accurate to say that retaliation is the collateral damage caused by trying to get that negative reaction than retaliation being the cause of collateral damage.

TrulyBland5 votes

The point is "the community" is not to blame, because "the community" consists a huge amount of people, the majority of which probably has never heard of, or at least not even encountered him.

It'd be more accurate to say that retaliation is the collateral damage caused by trying to get that negative reaction than retaliation being the cause of collateral damage.

How is it inaccurate to say that his reaction is the cause of collateral damage? His reaction itself, has undesired side-effects that inconvenience innocent bystanders. That's pretty much the exact definition of collateral damage.

RedTao1 votes

The point I was making was that you were taking only part of a quote to make your point when adding the first portion of the quote shows that FALLDOWN010 was not taking Tyler out as a factor.

Considering players make up the community and you had players in Tyler's game instigating a negative reaction out of him, then yes the community is just as bad to dog on him just because they know of them. If he didn't do anything to make people behave negatively then he's not being a troll in that game. So while said players involved with Tyler consists of a small portion of the community, they're still considered part of the community.

From what I've heard, in this game, he didn't do anything to instigate any reaction from his team. From the information that I had heard from boards, his team was the one who instigated in trying to get a negative reaction out of him just because they knew of him. Him being trolled in that match and him responding to it would be considered the initial damage from his teams taunting. Everything Tyler does AFTER he's effected by his teams taunting would be the collateral damage from his teams taunts because everything he does negatively was started from his teams taunts.

In short: Team taunts Tyler -> Tyler's effected negatively(Initial damage) -> Tyler reacts in negative way against team (Collateral damage)

If Tyler was only thing that was effected and he didn't react negatively in game, then there would be no collateral damage because nothing else was effected.

falldown0101 votes

well, you have a point, the quote might have helped , il add something to it

RedTao1 votes

It's not really your fault. TrulyBland knew what he read he just skiped the few words that was before it.

falldown0101 votes

well im gonna be blunt again, but thats leaque overall nowadays, there are so many people who play normals for casual play but then you got the normal ranked players, for them leaque is a challenge game, and they will always play to win

a good example here is a ranked addict adc with a no ranked player supp , if you look at both persona's, there is def a problem the other is focused on playing on a high level, while the other is playing for fun, at one point , they might clash, and it useally ends up in a big fight , that gives a big influence on the rest of the game , atleast most of the time

or a jungler, that gets flamed all game / or a team of premades that leaves the last player alone, and refuse to comminicate, there are so many examples

i agree he's at blame, and **defintely **deserves the ban , but this example isnt quite good, i mean this is normal stuff right, everyone gets trolls , etc , but if you keep getting them each game, then you're bound to explode at some point, and it will affect you, just like your example says your future games , or the way you play will be different, because of it, and this is a good example

Erdrik5 votes

I down voted because I disagree, and your point is invalid.

  • Tyler1 has a long history of trolling and toxicity
  • The actions of other streamers/players do not excuse Tyler1's actions
  • Tyler1 garnered the attention of others trying to set him off, by the very nature of his streams and his openly blatant toxicity. It sucks to be in that hole, and those trying to fill it in with him in it should definitely be punished. But ultimately it is a hole_** he dug himself into**_
falldown0102 votes

i agree with the first 2 points but cant agree with the last one

so you're saying he dug it himself and that those tryng to fill it should be banned as well ? its valid but at the same time invalid , if a person is stuck in a scenario where he cant get out and fill it up himself then its normal for others to do the job itself, and fill it in, so in this case it would the ones defending

so hence the reason im defending him , but at the same time i agree he deserves the ban , its kinda a long twist that can end up in an endless journey that never ends :^)

we can debate it , all we want, but unless the person looks at it , from another perspective, it wont change so if a person stays on the tyler deserves it , and wont change, but the person defending looks at it from an objective pov aka the community xD then it wont change anything to be honest

Erdrik1 votes

{quoted}

...saying he dug it himself and that those tryng to fill it should be banned as well ? ... if a person is stuck in a scenario where he cant get out and fill it up himself then its normal for others to do the job itself, and fill it in, so in this case it would the ones defending...

so hence the reason im defending him...

I think maybe you misunderstood my point. Which is probably my fault looking back at my wording.

To clarify, when I said:

... and those trying to fill it in with him in it should definitely be punished ...

I meant to imply the streamers that were trying to "bury him alive", not the defenders that were trying to help him get out.

falldown0101 votes

ah my bad, well im gonna say something pretty bold, :^)

LCS

when meteos/sneaky did it, then again im not against them, i watch sneaky stream myself, they were all having fun, talking about how they were gonna gank again, and make him ragequit, they ganked like 5 times, or more , but They always foccused tyler, leaving him at 1 bar, then ulting to kill him , at the end game, they acted pretty bad towards him, i mean im not an lcs person or a riot fanboy, but i feel like if riot allows people to troll a person because they played in the lcs or achieved something , and get a special privileges , its a bit unfair

Erdrik1 votes

Oh I agree, the retaliation is totally uncalled for. And I hope they get an appropriate punishment.

But considering his history, I wouldn't really consider it a "Cover Judgement". His book's pages are just as bad as the cover.

falldown0101 votes

true, well i saw some change lately atleast, he was getting better, and less toxic, hence the reason im defending, to clear that up, but his previous mistakes, are a bit "too big , too ignore" at this point

My Sea Cow4 votes

He banned 10+ accounts...regardless of other people's actions, he is responsible for what he says and does. He had way too many chances and got what he deserved. Yes intentionally trolling someone is wrong but him trolling and intentionally feeding and being toxic to them is just as bad and deserving of punishment.

falldown0101 votes

alright , lets put your comment to the test,

  • first of all you judge based on all the accounts banned, by that term we should also judge the players who trolled, so i dont know if you knew but tyler had a list of people who trolled him , if he saw one of those players he dodged the que, he sometimes saw the player more then 10 times, and sometimes didnt dodge, but that person always did the same

so he should also be punished by your logic ? he also had the chances to stop, but didnt , and continue'd to troll?

DrCyanide4 votes

I've gotten a feeder in my game telling me it's OK to troll because they're following Tyler1's example. I haven't heard of that type of action from any other steamer. If he's changed, he hasn't changed enough or is doing one thing while saying another, because his fans are starting to follow his bad example.

falldown0101 votes

well all jokes aside, im not a fan, i just like his stream for the donations about this skyler, bryler stories

so there will always will be people , who follow a bad behaviour, regardless of the person wanting to change, so what can you do about it ? i mean look at qtie's dotot example, after a while a lot of dotot alts where created and they all started to act like dotot

dotot basicly was a teemo , who trolled * i mean there are many more examples, but hey the fans are at blame, you cant change the way a stupid person reacts Right ? if someone is so stupid to jump after a person who wants to kill himself , while jumping off a bridge, is the person who jumped first because he's tired of life at fault ? for showing a bad example, and living through bad misery

^ maybe the example is a bit exteme, but just so you get the idea

Spanked eGirl3 votes

He's been Permabanned on 19 different accounts, 19. Fucking 19. Im salty, very salty. And yet Ive never even had one get permabanned. So someone who is THAT much worse is getting the right punishment I say. I kind of hate that everyone cries when they get a toxic player then the moment Riot slams the hammer down, the community goes full hypocrite and defends one of the most publically toxic people in the game

falldown0101 votes

pretty sure there are people out there with more then 3+ accounts banned, not sure you can correct me if im wrong though

Spanked eGirl2 votes

{quoted}

pretty sure there are people out there with more then 3+ accounts banned, not sure you can correct me if im wrong though

Probably, but they're not out in front of thousands blatantly making money of Riots game doing the exact definitions of what Riot has clearly stated it hates the most. Why should they allow someone to have any financial success through their game breaking their TOP rule? They dont have to allow and are done with it.

falldown0101 votes

well im gonna link you something , this is prob the reason why they know tyler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfwY1NI1hUY

he played with phreak once :^)

edit: well if you play with a dev,he will prob tell the rest, you can judge the rest by yourself and tyler behavour ofc

Erdrik2 votes

There definitely are. But I think they are a "rare breed", don't come close to Tyler1's 19+ total, and aren't advertising it on a stream.

falldown0101 votes

true, but i mean the idea in general, there are def people who main one champ im pretty solid on that one and refuse to play another champ and tyler made himself known by streaming, and getting bad attencion to himself, by showing it

if it wasnt for that, he woudn't be perma banned

Kei1431 votes

make the game no fun for him?

I'm for that.

falldown0101 votes

hm perhaps , sarcasm though [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

AndreHolder1 votes

I think it WAS deserved; was as in if they did it like 3-4 weeks ago yes. However, even when he didn't get Draven he played Morgana is still tried. The Heimerdinger and Rammus he had on his team I AM 100% SURE THEY DDIN'T GET BANNED. Even when there was proof they were trolling.

Erdrik1 votes

{quoted}

I think it WAS deserved; was as in if they did it like 3-4 weeks ago yes. ...

It is a 4 strike system, punishment is based on how many strikes you have accrued:

1st strike - 10 game chat ban 2nd strike - 25 game chat ban 3rd strike - 14 day full ban 4th strike - perma

It takes 3 months to move back down just one tier. This is true for everyone. Why should one of the heaviest, most extensive, and most blatant offenders be able to get away with only 4 weeks?

falldown0101 votes

goes to show how good riot current system is :^)

falldown0101 votes

^ pretty much,it looks like trolling tyler was a good thing , + they gained fame from it, since he was streaming

so why not do both (; , you gain something from it anyways :')

Randomonium1 votes

Anyone else find this post extremely ironic since the Riot post announcing Tyler1's ban was downvoted into oblivion by Tyler1's fan boys?

Yordle Xayah1 votes

Wow... did Meteos and Sneaky got banned 20 times before?

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/18405/368572-manta_ep_6_sub.png

You got a link to this information?

More from Player Behavior

The indefinite banning of Tyler1
Player Behavior4,799 comments
2,942
votes
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?
Player Behavior1,525 comments
1,086
votes
Riot should add monthly status cards
Player Behavior241 comments
843
votes
Reminder that we haven't gotten our Summoner report cards yet :/
Player Behavior145 comments
619
votes
I'm not "triggered" by you throwing insults.
Player Behavior361 comments
548
votes
Black Alistar, King Rammus!!!!
Player Behavior462 comments
503
votes

More by falldown010

ugh i really dont want to go play with a team, anyone else who can relate
Gameplay3 comments
10
votes
PSA: if you play zed, and only know how to play aggresive, just stop / Rant
Gameplay15 comments
8
votes
yasuo mains ego's
Player Behavior9 comments
7
votes
can we change mordekaisers recommand build -> the starter item(aka support items ...just why)
Gameplay16 comments
6
votes
how do you counter an aggresive olaf ?
Gameplay43 comments
4
votes
People who feed and then proceed to be negative and leave the game..
Player Behavior8 comments
4
votes