What is actually considered toxic?

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It's not manipulation, it's helpful advice that isn't threatening of offensive in nature.

Let's,put it this way: You can be right or you can win the game, which would you rather?

listen... every form of gentle advice in order to win is listed as psycological manipulation .... dont try to change facts... also only care about winning mekes u hopeless

Inters and trolls don't come on here often and complain about getting banned because usually the evidence is stacked against them pretty hard. That's why it seems that they get punished less than toxic chatters.

Inters know they will get laughed out of here if they present their case while flamers always have the excuse that they were reacting to inters/trolls, so they think they can present their case and depend on the empathy of the boards users to get a leg up.

Yeah but there's a lot of reasons for that. People who are toxic in chat tend to be more emotional and egotistical. They will fight their punishment and feel they've been wronged more often than someone who is trolling. Because trolling is fun to them, they know they're trolling, so why come make a thread on how they were wrongly banned? Toxicity stems from an emotion. Trolling stems from an idea. The idea is that it will be fun to piss other people off. The emotion is anger and hatred. Who is more likely to make a thread after they get banned? I would think the one who acted on an impulse. This of course is all just speculation and I am no psychologist, but I think it makes sense.

Hey, you too. I'm sorry if I came off rude as well. I can't help but throw in a "fuckin" here and there. Just a bad habit that can be taken as me being disrespectful or something. Not the intention.

Also, I do understand that perhaps you are a lot closer to the issue, being formerly suicidal... so maybe I should just keep my mouth shut. It's just I can't help but feel like everyone is missing this correlation between the PC culture, and suicide rates rising. I have to speak about it, perhaps I could do so less aggressively.

Do you at least understand my point? Like do you kind of see the correlation and does it make sense? Or is this just ignorant babble to you? I'm really curious.

Have a good one!

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They do put it in players hand to some extent, in that we report for things and the system changes punishable offenses based on what players report. Unfortunately, I disagree with a lot of what players report for. I wish people would just suck it up and play when someone fucks up on their team.

The only reason I agree with chat restricts and punishments for toxic chat is because I don't want games filled with people tilting their own team and holding debates in the middle of a game. I don't think anyone can deny that people lose focus on the the game, like keeping track of enemies on the minimap and timers of things, when theyre trying to convince someone that they're garbage at the game. I don't like that saying certain terms holds higher degrees of punishment, but I do think people who talk too much and focus on a player, instead of the game, should be taken out. That's beside the point, I just wanted to show you where I'm coming from.

Anyways, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I can't think of an action in game that is toxic, that couldn't just be described as trolling. We don't need 2 definitions for trolling. If someone is "toxic" through gameplay, like stealing your cs or following jungle around taking camps, they are trolling.

I agree with chat restrictions too. They need to hand out equal punishments for the other things which they can prove, which is those that frequent the LPQ. Start banning them on their 4th trip.

Also, stealing farm is griefing not trolling but it too is toxic.