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AFK's and inting in ranked.

Hentai Warriors··17 votes·11,357 views

Just curious here, why is it ok to have someone afk/rq or int (not just a bad player of having a bad game, legit admits to inting), not have them punished (feedback report never appears) and still lose lp like nothing happened that game? I understand it must be too difficult to keep track of all reports and look into every single one but even with proof nothing is done about it. It's happened a few times, not necessarily recently. If you want to bring up communication, how about this - suggesting your jg not to invade when he is level 1 against a level 3 enemy jungler and he does it anyways and says "oops" in chat? I'll accept my losses but this is not a fair way to be punished and get lp taken away. I know this happens to a lot of people, which is why i don't understand why there isn't something implemented in the game to prevent this sort of stuff from happening more frequently. Im really glad there is a remake option for when someone dc's unintentionally or intentionally to dodge a game but there is really no way to help prevent the other scenarios from happening and going unpunished for the most part?

56 Comments

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

must be a dozen of these threads a day...

Woodakoodashooda23 votes

Maybe there wouldn't be if Riot did something about it.

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

how exactly can they do that?

how would riot use an automated system to tell the difference between someone tilting and having an off game and someone doing it on purpose?

and before you ask, reports sent for int'ing or feeding intentionally are reviewed manually and as such they are very backlogged.

just do what normal people do, mute and report the guy, get over it and move on

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂ3 votes

Appoint 5 people (each server) to manually ban them? (ill do it for 10$ riot gift card a day) starting from most reports to least. 2 months time half of the playerbase would be gone working 8 hours a day like that. Make riot punish false reporters quite harshly? so they can keep up with manually banning actual inters? and make false reporters irrelevant? Not everything needs to be automated.

And no the fact that they would have a million reports daily (obviously) does not change the fact that in due time everyone ACTUALLY gets punished it would take time but it would get there and sooner or later people who get tired of getting banned.

CharDeeMcDenniz3 votes

you think you've thought of something they never have? they have tried other solutions before (remember the Tribunal?), having the average player judging others in an unbiased fashion doesn't work. False reports are already ignored, it takes a trend of repeated reports and negative behavior to trigger a manual review so if you have a shitty game and someone reports you, it doesn't automatically go into the review line.

I know it doesn't appeal to the "instant gratification" mindset of most people but if someone consistently ruins the game by feeding/trolling, they will get banned sooner or later

you just had one particular game stick in your craw, it happens

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂ3 votes

Dude leagues average player is the must ban player... thats why it didnt work.

Hentai Warriors1 votes

the acknowledgement that it happens is there... they are more aware of this than the players with all the shit they get for it. I never stated they havent thought about different solutions and many more than even players think of but after 9 years, nothing is still viable? thats what im asking. these people exist everywhere in all games but just because there are millions means you arent gonna put the most effort in keeping your community in check?

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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you think you've thought of something they never have? they have tried other solutions before (remember the Tribunal?), having the average player judging others in an unbiased fashion doesn't work. False reports are already ignored, it takes a trend of repeated reports and negative behavior to trigger a manual review so if you have a shitty game and someone reports you, it doesn't automatically go into the review line.

I know it doesn't appeal to the "instant gratification" mindset of most people but if someone consistently ruins the game by feeding/trolling, they will get banned sooner or later

you just had one particular game stick in your craw, it happens

Tribunal works just fine if you reward watching a full match regardless of judgement given so that the reward is for reviewing games instead of convicting people.

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

no it doesn't

hence why it was scrapped years ago

Aneirin1 votes

a million reports daily (obviously) Appoint 5 people (each server)

Did you actually run the maths on this? Even assuming a rough estimate of 10 servers, 50 people going through a million reports is 20,000 reports each to review per day. That's 41 games per minute in your 8 hour day.

Starcraft243ver2 votes

Appoint 5 people (each server) to manually ban them?

LoL

There are 27 000 000 daily players. Let's say the average player plays 2 games.

54 000 000 games a day. 10% of the games have a report in it (i think it's closer to 80% but let's go with 10%) That's 5 400 000 games a day to review.

If it takes the average human 3 minuts to check a game, verify the chat logs, see that there has been a case of inting (because false reports are hugely abused you know) (I think it's more like 5-10 minuts a game, but once again, let's go for the lowest hypothesis)

That's 16 200 000 minuts, that's 270 000 hours a day. If a working day is 8hours, it's : 33750 days. So you'd have to hire 33 750 people just to check the reports. (oh and these guys would have no weekends and not a single day off).

Even if my numbers are ten times too high (which i doubt), that would still be more than 3000 people dedicated to the tribunal. That's just not viable.

KÎŢŢΥKÂŢKÂŢÂRÎÑÂ1 votes

Or you know. do as much as you can daily. like i said in due TIME everyone would be banned. now no one is getting banned at are current rate of 0 unless the player has 4000 reports on them. if we had people like that checking we would ban atleast 10000 players daily across multiple servers. Patience is key.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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Or you know. do as much as you can daily. like i said in due TIME everyone would be banned. now no one is getting banned at are current rate of 0 unless the player has 4000 reports on them. if we had people like that checking we would ban atleast 10000 players daily across multiple servers. Patience is key.

We need to ban people even if we ban the entire league community or it will get worse.

Starcraft243ver2 votes

Hum, I've seen countless inters, trolls and afk abusers banned by the current system, so, I dont see the point.

Hentai Warriors1 votes

literally anyone can say that... that isnt a justification to the whole. you are one person. It's like when i watch streamers and see scrubnoob in multiple games doing the same shit he does. its live! how does he get away with doing it so many times on big streamers? tf are you talking about

Violent King1 votes

can we just do this for oce ._. no matter your elo or gamemode it will take an average of 5 minutes and up to 10 minutes and every single game has either 1 dc, 1 afk, 1 inter, 1 griefer or a legitimate automated AI if you play blind/bots

ISuckWithThresh3 votes

Its sad because their punishment system works this way ''You say one of our listed words and you will get banned'' when it comes to ''toxicity''. So when someone that is inting ADMITS IT in either the champion select or in game why does he get away ??? They say ''fuck you I'm inting because you didn't swap roles with me'' and running it down mid. And they dont get punished? Why do they think its better to be forced to play with someone inting/feeding for 20-40 min (depending if the enemy teams wants to end the game or not and if your team defends it) rather than someone flaming you. You can mute the flame but you can't do anything against the inter/troll (and it won't do anything since they will get out unpunished). O yeah and you can get banned for asking the people to report him for inting/trolling. There was a guy that was running it down min 30-40 games in a row (without typing any word in chat) without getting punished. He doing that on stream trying to prove his point at how shitty this system is. And I completely agree with him now.

Riot's logic : Better focus on banning players that are ''toxic'' rather than inters and trolls because loosing 20-40 min of your time is better than loosing 3 seconds to press the mute button.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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Its sad because their punishment system works this way ''You say one of our listed words and you will get banned'' when it comes to ''toxicity''. So when someone that is inting ADMITS IT in either the champion select or in game why does he get away ??? They say ''fuck you I'm inting because you didn't swap roles with me'' and running it down mid. And they dont get punished? Why do they think its better to be forced to play with someone inting/feeding for 20-40 min (depending if the enemy teams wants to end the game or not and if your team defends it) rather than someone flaming you. You can mute the flame but you can't do anything against the inter/troll (and it won't do anything since they will get out unpunished). O yeah and you can get banned for asking the people to report him for inting/trolling. There was a guy that was running it down min 30-40 games in a row (without typing any word in chat) without getting punished. He doing that on stream trying to prove his point at how shitty this system is. And I completely agree with him now.

Riot's logic : Better focus on banning players that are ''toxic'' rather than inters and trolls because loosing 20-40 min of your time is better than loosing 3 seconds to press the mute button.

Haha. I got mad and then got banned so if you report them it works even if it takes a while cause I'm the one that got banned. I learned my lesson. I was angry at a blitzcrank that took cleanse and smite... he was also very toxic. The game before that wasn't the best either... I got a lucky punishment though. It was just like 10 games where I had limited chat. I have a friend that was on the tribunal. After the 10 game chat ban you get a ban for a few days. Thats all I know about the punishments, but I'm sick of this crap too. I don't want to run into any more games where two people take smite and kill all my jg farm and the enemy jgs farm then lose because the game after that was the game that anivia followed me around in jg with smite stealing my farm. I just went with the anivia thing, but it was HORRIBLE. She just wanted to make me mad. Anyways, from now on I'm not even gonna talk when one of those people is on my team cause its just sad dude. I'm still mad about these trolls that troll on purpose and play innocent.

Woodakoodashooda2 votes

I mean, it isn't often that I find myself matched with or against quitters, trolls, and inters. Most games, players try until the bitter end for better or worse...at least in NA. Because Americans are raised on the philosophy that with hard work and dedication, you can accomplish anything and that you should never give up and never surrender (I don't believe it, personally, but I'm a cynic).

But instances of trolls, feeders, and inters happen often enough that something needs done about it.

big boi edri2 votes

Would be really neat if they implemented a retroactive LP loss prevention for AFK/Inters.

Like if the report is confirmed inting or AFK player for so much amount of time, they just refund you the LP lost once confirmed.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

To prevent lp inflation, the winners lp would need to be taken away too.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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To prevent lp inflation, the winners lp would need to be taken away too.

What if we just didn't have Ip in the first place?

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Okay... How are we tracking progress in ranked?

MistsOfMystery1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kss5NBI9,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-25T19:32:20.323+0000)

Okay... How are we tracking progress in ranked?

They are changing the ranked system for 2019. They are starting individual lane ranks. This is only one of the things they are doing. I don't like the autofill because you would get put in lanes you are not aiming to rank in, but overall its a great idea if they get rid of autofill. Also, once you rank up in a specific lane, you can stay that rank without losing lp which I thought was freaking awesome! Right now there are so many people online saying that individual lane ranks is a bad idea when autofill is the real problem.

Ambient Snow2 votes

I don't approve of afkers, but i've been known to do it lately .

honestly i just get tired of being held captive in a super toxic game. Think i've afked twice or thrice this season cause of trolls joining my game, and then trolling.

i by no means encourage afking or leaving but it gets to a point where you just gotta remove yourself from the situation because it gets so bad

Example. - I had a game with a teemo who ran around stealing my buffs with smite.. and he even admitted in chat he was gong to troll cause he was just being a jerk.

he was sexist spamming,m raging stealing jungle farm and was hateful.

at one point after he stole my blue and then red and continued to spam his emoticon multiple times i just gave up

Kei1431 votes

Most of the cases you mentioned are manual reviews.

Firstly manual reviews are backlogged, so it might take 2 weeks before the review happens.

Secondly, punishment notifications are never given out when a player is manually reviewed.

Bijeesny2 votes

Wow 2 weeks to catch an inter xD

so let's say some1 how ints on a regular basis plays 2 games per day (i'll be generous). 2 x 14 = 28. So by the time Riot remebers to review couple of cases, and my example of a regular inter happens to get reviewed, he will ruin around 30 games, + - 5 games.

And this is just in the best case scenario. There was a guy who managed to do it one whole month, and got caught only after 500+ reports. No matter how you look at it, Riot is rly slow and inefficient when it comes to banning inters and it needs to be changed.

Kei1432 votes

{quoted} Riot is rly slow and inefficient when it comes to banning inters and it needs to be changed.

This we can agree on.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

{quoted}

This we can agree on.

WE HAVE GOT TO TELL OFF RIOT!!!

MistsOfMystery3 votes

{quoted}

Wow 2 weeks to catch an inter xD

so let's say some1 how ints on a regular basis plays 2 games per day (i'll be generous). 2 x 14 = 28. So by the time Riot remebers to review couple of cases, and my example of a regular inter happens to get reviewed, he will ruin around 30 games, + - 5 games.

And this is just in the best case scenario. There was a guy who managed to do it one whole month, and got caught only after 500+ reports. No matter how you look at it, Riot is rly slow and inefficient when it comes to banning inters and it needs to be changed.

So fed up with league right now. Stupid inters.

AnAggravatedPimp1 votes

Afks in ranked still results in LP loss because Duo que and bullying. If a game looks bad a player can hav their duo buddy leave the match so they won't lose LP. Similarly, if the game is going badly a team can decide to flame and berate one player until they decide to leave or convince them that doing so, for the good of the team, is the right thing to do.

Hentai Warriors1 votes

but that isnt the case im pointing out at all. its not about being bad or good or being flammed. they do it at the start of the game

The Space Cowboy1 votes

Transfer some of teams ip loss to the leaver. -5lp loss for team +10 for leaver if a team that lost. Then let the leaver gain LP if they return and win (currently it’s an auto loss for the leaver discouraging reloading)

Vonyalo1 votes

Because punishment system in lol is utter garbage. It is automated chat bot that bans people without context and doesn't punish people for leaving/inting unless they do it every day 15 times in a row. I can understand it is hard to detect "smart" ints, but leavers you can punish easily. But nope, better ban those flamers you can just mute.

Hentai Warriors1 votes

RIGHT?! they have a fucking mute button for pussies who cant take mean words over the internet but they dont focus on actual toxic behavior. thats what pisses me off.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hentai Warriors,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kss5NBI9,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-07-27T10:47:44.820+0000)

RIGHT?! they have a fucking mute button for pussies who cant take mean words over the internet but they dont focus on actual toxic behavior. thats what pisses me off.

They should just ban everyone that says anything stupid at all to simplify the banning process. :)

Ulquiorra01231 votes

I've sent in a few reports to riot support, all of them have gotten a response of them being banned. They can tell the difference between a bad player and someone not trying to win.

Hentai Warriors1 votes

yeah, so can players good enough to know the difference. im not stating i am but even with streamers and seeing inters in their live games. ive seen scrubnoob in different streamers' doing the shit he does. how does he last so long doing that so many times?

Ulquiorra01231 votes

Because people in high elo don't report players...

Festing1 votes

2 weeks to catch a feeder? you act like people don't just suddenly stop playing league lmfao. or that they dont have hundreds of accounts to troll you on.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hentai Warriors,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kss5NBI9,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-07-24T10:22:59.684+0000)

1) Just curious here, why is it ok to have someone afk/rq or int (not just a bad player of having a bad game, legit admits to inting), not have them punished (feedback report never appears) and 2) still lose lp like nothing happened that game? I understand it must be too difficult to keep track of all reports and look into every single one but even with proof nothing is done about it. It's happened a few times, not necessarily recently. If you want to bring up communication, 3) how about this - suggesting your jg not to invade when he is level 1 against a level 3 enemy jungler and he does it anyways and says "oops" in chat? I'll accept my losses but this is not a fair way to be punished and get lp taken away. I know this happens to a lot of people, which is why i don't understand why there isn't something implemented in the game to prevent this sort of stuff from happening more frequently. Im really glad there is a remake option for when someone dc's unintentionally or intentionally to dodge a game but there is really no way to help prevent the other scenarios from happening and going unpunished for the most part?

  1. Because the feedback is only sent to one person.
  2. Because you still win Lps when this guy is in the other team. It actually helps you climb in the long run.
  3. You can't ban people for being bad or stupid, you'd have to ban 99% of the player base. Even in diamond you see so many mistakes and it's the top 1%.
MistsOfMystery1 votes

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  1. Because the feedback is only sent to one person.
  2. Because you still win Lps when this guy is in the other team. It actually helps you climb in the long run.
  3. You can't ban people for being bad or stupid, you'd have to ban 99% of the player base. Even in diamond you see so many mistakes and it's the top 1%.

The community is so toxic I've thought about uninstalling several times. Why do we put up with this?

Starcraft243ver1 votes

Yet you didnt, so either you like it or it's not this toxic.

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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Yet you didnt, so either you like it or it's not this toxic.

This isn't toxic. I run into the same game trolls all the time. Its my perspective. Its awesome to see that somebody isn't affected, but how are you not?

MistsOfMystery1 votes

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Yet you didnt, so either you like it or it's not this toxic.

To be honest when I made this comment I was super angry.... XD I'm sorry. There are so many trolls. I wish it would stop. In one game I ended up where my adc went blitzcrank while I was trying to play nami supp... I should have dodged. He took cleanse and smite and so uh..... that was interesting because he was also very toxic. Just my experience. I have had so many games like that. I had one where two other people took smite and were farming my jg which made me play horribly even when I did my best, and the very next game there was one person that took smite and farmed my jg while following me around like a support... This is why I'm irritated about game trolls. They think its funny dude.

Hentai Warriors1 votes

i literally just said its not for being bad or misplaying... they are admitting to inting or trolling. It doesnt get more clear than the person telling you that themselves and that they are gonna do it

MistsOfMystery1 votes

IKR?! IM SO DONE WITH AFKS and trolls!!! >.<

MistsOfMystery1 votes

Yeah... I agree this is a pressing issue. We need to do something about the consistent AFKs in the middle of a game because it makes you lose LP and makes the game less fun.

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