Can we penalize the banning of team champs? Or add a hint so accidents don't happen

AdeBug··4 votes·1,396 views

It's usually the sign of a troll, which more often than not will feed during the game. There should be something done if they repeatedly do that in champ select.

As for the accidental ban, maybe put a warning sign if the player wants to ban a team mate champ, or make it unavailable to begin with. I should not be forced to dodge and be penalized when this happens.

15 Comments

scazzman3 votes

times where it could be "acceptable" to ban someone's champ on your own team

  • it's a high priority champ, and the person is last pick
  • you simply dont like the champ on either team Teemo
  • it's a ranked game and it's a recently released champ Kled
AdeBug1 votes

Same as in the above reply for your first point. At least for your example, I actually like Teemo on my team, and the game around him has changed because everyone thinks he's op (maybe in lower tiers, I don't see him being picked or banned in higher tier streams) and so no one ganks for him or helps him out, he has to roam to get fed. And for other examples, if a champ is OP, I would like that champ on my team... I don't get this point, you play to win, what's annoying for the enemy is a plus for you. And for this, even people in the PBE cannot get good that fast for new champs, just watch today's NB3's stream, they're likely to suck if it's on the enemy team. And if it's on your team, I would dodge because no one can get to mastery 6 in 2 days, so why would you wanna play ranked with an experimenting player...

And same as above, these are mere suggestions and more of a 'please do something about this', not 'please do exactly as I say' because I know it's hard to find proper solutions that won't backfire/be exploited. Plus the warning sign is what it is, and should help with accidental bans.

CrazFight 1 votes

Its like when someone wants to play sona... (Before her hotfix) but they are last pick.. and no one else owns sona , and you know if you dont ban her 100% the other team is going to pick her, now would I rather deal with a op sona... or a bitchy team mate all game that I can mute. Imma chose the bitchy team mate.

AdeBug1 votes

First, it's unlikely that no one else owns Sona. Second, if she's a main and cannot play any other champion, and 3rd, if no one wants to even trade, then it's all the same and she or whoever doesn't like an enemy Sona can dodge. If someone bans my champ and I really don't have other options, that's what dodging is for. But if she can play smth else, then np for me. I'm not saying this is what I want implemented to the letter, but something needs to be done so that trolls can have 1 less way of trolling and us taking the punishment... "Plus the warning sign is what it is, and should help with accidental bans."

OOT Yoloyo281 votes

"that's what dodging is for." It's not. You shouldn't dodge just because the champion you would like to play is banned. Your're not "forced to dodge." There's a penalty for a reason. Champion select is for people to create their team. Both team get to ban 3 champs they don't want to see in the game and they can construct a team composition around it. It's not about you and the champion you want to play. It's about the teams and all the 10 players in the champ select.

I agree that an indicator if you're about to ban a teammate's prepick would be useful but I disagree that you should dodge if you can't play the one champion you want.

Wolf Queen1 votes

if your a 1 trick pony then you pretty much have to dodge if you dont get your champ or its likely youll lose. That might be what hes talking about. But either way banning a team mates champ is just rude.

Azules5001 votes

I do not agree with penalizing, but I like the idea of the indicator. This would stop people from accidentally banning a teammate's champion and saying "I wasn't looking at champ select." Perhaps have some kind of marking on the champ-select tiles during banning phase.

Sidiious1 votes

I agree. If my team bans my chosen main who I have a great win rate and have played a lot of games on decides to toll me / my main then as far as I am concerned I should be able to dodge and not pay the fine. I was first pick on my team and my team mates say something like oops sorry didn't want to take the chance. Bs foul play is amuck.

Chimewlan1 votes

The indicator sounds nice.

Morality Coach1 votes

I like the current system. When someone goes Nidalee mid I want the option of banning that.

38% winrate stuff should be done among like minded friends.

AdeBug1 votes

Haha I know and I sometimes ban the champ if they have a non support champ for the support position. That's why I considered the 'repeatedly' case because that's what differentiates me from a troll (but it seems like people skipped that word, it's not a first offense penalization, guys..). And that's why I added the hint suggestion, so accidents won't happen.

Espy Psyche1 votes

Below Plat, there's no reason to ever ban an allied champion.

Why?

Below Plat, "power picks" don't matter. There's an entirely different meta, and a lot more things are open to play. Where there might be 3-8 viable picks in a position in the pro circuit (say, junglers, there's Gragas Elise LeeSin Hecarim RekSai Olaf ), there's probably ~20 below Plat (people jungle all sorts of things like Master Yi, Shyvana, Sion, Rammus, Graves, Fiddles, and many more).

You also have no idea what a person's champion pool looks like. In the pros, most players have an idea of the style of champion other pros pick. That's why Froggen gets hit with Anivia bans every game. It's possible to ban someone out and take out up to four (or more, depending on if the picks can be flexed) of their champions, which for some players forces them on to something out of the meta.

That can't happen in solo queue, especially under Plat. Most bans are targeted towards the champions with "toxic gameplay patterns" -- namely assassins and hook supports. There's 1-2 players in pros who have played Fizz (I know Ray's played it, but I think I've seen it elsewhere). But Fizz has a toxic gameplay pattern, so he's commonly banned below Plat. The same is true of Leblanc, Blitzcrank, Thresh, Zed, Akali, Ekko, etc., again, namely assassins and hook supports.

Since there's no power picks, limited trading (not everyone has every champ), and no ability to ban someone out, there's no reason to ban a champion your ally is showing.

Oh, and if you try to ban my champion? I have thousands of games played in my career since Season 1. I can absolutely suicide rush every respawn in one game and nothing will ever happen to me because it's not a pattern.

xXxAltaïrrxXx1 votes

I stoped reading when u put Lee Sin in reliable junglers. XD

AdeBug1 votes

Like I said, 'repeated' offense. Yes we all ban troll picks now and then, but ints and trolls will do it on a regular basis.

And if the hint\warning is ok, should I make a separate thread so that alone actually gets upvoted? :D

tnwsbtuiynomuykg1 votes

Banning a team-mate's pick is just bologna. And its a great way to turn a player toxic or tilted right from the start. Myself included.

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