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W3X70N··5 votes·1,277 views

I got a 14 day ban... I honestly don't even know what I did wrong here. It won't be lifted from my account (although if it's possible, please help me out) but if I could get some pointers besides just "Don't talk at all" that would be great. I've been trying to choose my words carefully.

Game 1 W3X70N: dw W3X70N: no different than getting a leash top W3X70N: stop pu W3X70N: Stop csing W3X70N: stop W3X70N: Pleasd W3X70N: Im asking nicely W3X70N: please stop W3X70N: im mutiung ur pings W3X70N: We were winning this game why are you guys trolling W3X70N: This game is actualy fun if you coperate W3X70N: You triedd to W3X70N: Sona is trolling too W3X70N: She took my CS and now is Trolling because I asked her not to W3X70N: Sona W3X70N: Please stop W3X70N: Please W3X70N: I'm asking nicely for you to please stop Csing W3X70N: Please and thank you stop W3X70N: Just don't ingage each other W3X70N: Whoever talks shit next is getting muted and reported W3X70N: SONA W3X70N: PLEASE W3X70N: STOP W3X70N: Alright W3X70N: go ahead and u take the farm W3X70N: u done? W3X70N: STOP W3X70N: You're fucking up me farming under tower W3X70N: Please W3X70N: just W3X70N: stop W3X70N: Dude what did I do you make you want to troll me W3X70N: K im muting you, if you want to gimp your adc for no reason go for it, idgaf W3X70N: i know W3X70N: Tell this bullshit sona to sotp fucking with me for no reason W3X70N: I did nothing W3X70N: Can you tell her that if she's supporting she needs a sight stone? W3X70N: Or does she just log on to fuck up her own team for 30 minutes W3X70N: why do you duo with him W3X70N: Im done. This was such an easy game to win, I'm tilt. W3X70N: Nah I'm not trying anymore, if you want to blame someone, blame sona W3X70N: can i take red/ W3X70N: zac W3X70N: Ya, ult the bruiser onto the ADC, smart W3X70N: Sona you have both wards in your inventory W3X70N: You need to ward W3X70N: So you do zac W3X70N: And Renek W3X70N: Peel would be great W3X70N: yes W3X70N: ward up baron W3X70N: if we group we win, just saying W3X70N: keep roaming and not grouping giys, that'll win us the game W3X70N: no plan is a good plan am i right

Was saying that I Wasn't going to try to compete with Sona for CS anymore worthy of a 14 day ban on my account? Or was it making a joke that no plan is a good plan?

Plus it was only One chat log. Doesn't it usually take 3?

36 Comments

ModThe Djinn7 votes

{quoted}

I got a 14 day ban... I honestly don't even know what I did wrong here. It won't be lifted from my account (although if it's possible, please help me out) but if I could get some pointers besides just "Don't talk at all" that would be great. I've been trying to choose my words carefully.

Happy to help.

The following is largely fine:

W3X70N: Stop csing W3X70N: stop W3X70N: Pleasd W3X70N: Im asking nicely

You say the problem, ask it to stop, and do do nicely. That's perfectly acceptable.

From there on it gets problematic. It's clearly NOT working, yet you spend most of your game talking about muting the other players, constantly talking about Sona and her poor performance, and generally just being needlessly negative and putting the blame on another player. Even when that is 100% the case it's not really an appropriate thing to rant about in chat, although I know it's really frustrating. Ultimately all it does is make the game experience worse for everyone, yourself and your innocent teammates included.

W3X70N2 votes

So I have a 14 day ban from the game for over asking her to stop intentionally trying to gimp me? I understand you're explaining the triggers to the system of banning people but, black and white, am I showing a behavior that is justifiably punishable? The one regrettable thing I did was say "Bullshit Sona" because she was intentionally getting a rise out of me because I was a "Feminist" I understand that's not behavior that's positive.

I think the conclusion to this situation rewards players who intentionally get a rise out of other players and remain mostly silent in chat (besides openly admitting that they're trying to get a rise out of you), who then abuse the report system to further troll someone.

Regardless of what the system is, on a societal and humanitarian level, do you not see that holding players to such a high standard of turning the other cheek, to the point of over asking someone to please stop targeting them being an account bannable offence, is sort of unrealistic.

I am not trying to throw shade or give offence, but within the community Riot has a bad reputation with customer service, (and although I understand that an employee of riot would never be permitted to suggest that riot is potentially in the wrong ever) do you see (To yourself) why that might be? I am clearly showing signs of trying to handle the situation admirably to the best of my ability. I am asking someone "Please and thank you" to stop intentionally getting a rise out of me, and utilizing the mute feature to stop any further toxicity in the game. I find that despite showing a clear effort to do the right thing, the other player is being rewarded for trolling and I'm being punished for my attempt (although not perfect) at being civil in response to toxicity. They get what they want by my account suspension.

Is this the message that Riot wants to project to its customers and players? That they'll choose someone who trolls and doesn't say a word over someone who politely asks for the behavior to stop a number of times?

I'm going to further attempt to follow the guidelines, as I've show I've been trying to already, but it seems like the only way to avoid being punished is to not say a word at all to anyone in chat. It seems like it's a trap.

Considering someone is taking up over a half hour of my time to have their own fun at my expense and I am being as polite as I can be to this person, I think it shows redeemable qualities and if it's within anyone's power to maybe give me a second chance, I would greatly appreciate it. It would show me that riot does have a sense of right and wrong, a sense of context and hopefully, appreciation for someone who has been loyal to this game since Sona came out. I am not deserving of any special treatment, I think anyone showing a genuine effort to remain an upstanding member of the game deserves the same chance I would get.

l2 4 G 32 votes

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So I have a 14 day ban from the game for over asking her to stop intentionally trying to gimp me? I understand you're explaining the triggers to the system of banning people but, black and white, am I showing a behavior that is justifiably punishable? The one regrettable thing I did was say "Bullshit Sona" because she was intentionally getting a rise out of me because I was a "Feminist" I understand that's not behavior that's positive.

I think the conclusion to this situation rewards players who intentionally get a rise out of other players and remain mostly silent in chat (besides openly admitting that they're trying to get a rise out of you), who then abuse the report system to further troll someone.

Regardless of what the system is, on a societal and humanitarian level, do you not see that holding players to such a high standard of turning the other cheek, to the point of over asking someone to please stop targeting them being an account bannable offence, is sort of unrealistic.

I am not trying to throw shade or give offence, but within the community Riot has a bad reputation with customer service, (and although I understand that an employee of riot would never be permitted to suggest that riot is potentially in the wrong ever) do you see (To yourself) why that might be? I am clearly showing signs of trying to handle the situation admirably to the best of my ability. I am asking someone "Please and thank you" to stop intentionally getting a rise out of me, and utilizing the mute feature to stop any further toxicity in the game. I find that despite showing a clear effort to do the right thing, the other player is being rewarded for trolling and I'm being punished for my attempt (although not perfect) at being civil in response to toxicity. They get what they want by my account suspension.

Is this the message that Riot wants to project to its customers and players? That they'll choose someone who trolls and doesn't say a word over someone who politely asks for the behavior to stop a number of times?

I'm going to further attempt to follow the guidelines, as I've show I've been trying to already, but it seems like the only way to avoid being punished is to not say a word at all to anyone in chat. It seems like it's a trap.

Considering someone is taking up over a half hour of my time to have their own fun at my expense and I am being as polite as I can be to this person, I think it shows redeemable qualities and if it's within anyone's power to maybe give me a second chance, I would greatly appreciate it. It would show me that riot does have a sense of right and wrong, a sense of context and hopefully, appreciation for someone who has been loyal to this game since Sona came out. I am not deserving of any special treatment, I think anyone showing a genuine effort to remain an upstanding member of the game deserves the same chance I would get.

Right on

W3X70N2 votes

For the record saying "Not trying" is trying to compete with her for farm, I ended up just giving her the ones she stole from me to attempt to stop the toxicity. I did still try as hard as I could despite someone intentionally adding the extra weight to me, because I am above letting my team down because I'm not enjoying the specific match.

Telephone Booth1 votes

So why'd you add blame sona? Blame sona that you stopped competing with her for cs? I'm sorry but I don't believe that. I could see the "I give up" meaning you give up competing for cs. But you said "I'm not trying anymore, if you want to blame someone, blame sona"

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}So I have a 14 day ban from the game for over asking her to stop intentionally trying to gimp me? I understand you're explaining the triggers to the system of banning people but, black and white, am I showing a behavior that is justifiably punishable? The one regrettable thing I did was say "Bullshit Sona" because she was intentionally getting a rise out of me because I was a "Feminist" I understand that's not behavior that's positive.

You're probably getting a ban for bringing "asking her to stop gimping you" to the point of harassment. As I mentioned, one or two mentions is fine.

This though?

W3X70N: im mutiung ur pings W3X70N: We were winning this game why are you guys trolling W3X70N: Sona is trolling too W3X70N: She took my CS and now is Trolling because I asked her not to W3X70N: Whoever talks shit next is getting muted and reported W3X70N: SONA W3X70N: PLEASE W3X70N: STOP W3X70N: Alright W3X70N: go ahead and u take the farm W3X70N: u done? W3X70N: STOP W3X70N: You're fucking up me farming under tower W3X70N: Please W3X70N: just W3X70N: stop W3X70N: K im muting you, if you want to gimp your adc for no reason go for it, idgaf W3X70N: Tell this bullshit sona to sotp fucking with me for no reason W3X70N: Can you tell her that if she's supporting she needs a sight stone? W3X70N: Or does she just log on to fuck up her own team for 30 minutes W3X70N: Im done. This was such an easy game to win, I'm tilt. W3X70N: Nah I'm not trying anymore, if you want to blame someone, blame sona W3X70N: Ya, ult the bruiser onto the ADC, smart W3X70N: no plan is a good plan am i right

This is excessive negativity, mostly targeted at one player. It gets past asking her to stop and into accusing her of trolling and generally just taking your frustration out on your team (and Sona in particular).

Regardless of what the system is, on a societal and humanitarian level, do you not see that holding players to such a high standard of turning the other cheek, to the point of over asking someone to please stop targeting them being an account bannable offence, is sort of unrealistic.

Asking them to stop is fine, as previously mentioned. When it starts to turn into harassment it becomes an issue.

I am clearly showing signs of trying to handle the situation admirably to the best of my ability. I am asking someone "Please and thank you" to stop intentionally getting a rise out of me, and utilizing the mute feature to stop any further toxicity in the game.

You do this, yes. But then you go further. If all you had said was "Please stop" a few times followed by "Muting you" there would likely not be a problem.

Is this the message that Riot wants to project to its customers and players? That they'll choose someone who trolls and doesn't say a word over someone who politely asks for the behavior to stop a number of times?

I can't speak for Riot (being a moderator and not a Rioter), but I know that reporting trolling can get results -- it's just MUCH harder to prove that someone is legitimately trolling -- especially since there's really no rule that a support can't CS. It's just the generally accepted meta that they don't, and wasn't always this way...and may not be again in the future. Who knows, frankly.

I'm going to further attempt to follow the guidelines, as I've show I've been trying to already, but it seems like the only way to avoid being punished is to not say a word at all to anyone in chat. It seems like it's a trap.

As someone who uses chat constantly and has for years, you can totally avoid punishment even if you chat all the damn time. You just have to avoid crossing that line between admitting frustration (and asking someone to stop) and bordering on harassment.

Firethorn1 votes

Wait sorry if I sound stupid but are saying way back when, supports could actually CS? Damn a lot has changed xD

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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Wait sorry if I sound stupid but are saying way back when, supports could actually CS? Damn a lot has changed xD

I mean, back in Pre-Season 1 the whole meta was crazy. Junglers weren't in every game, ADCs went mid lane, and bottom lane was a sort of potluck. Then we had a Roaming Support meta, one where EVERYONE built gold/5 items, and a few other weird things.

But yeah -- the game basically evolved to support a 0cs support strictly because it started happening on its own. Gold generation is the patch to make supporting less frustrating, not the reason the 0cs support exists.

There has also never been a rule about who should get what CS -- just tradition based on what has turned out to be the optimal set-up for the current game.

Firethorn1 votes

Hmm Pre-Season 1 kind of sounds like my beginner bot games when I was first starting out :p

Anyways thanks for the info!

Starcraft243ver1 votes

The thormail ashe from the tutorial comes from these days ...

Starcraft243ver1 votes

So I have a 14 day ban from the game for over asking her to stop intentionally trying to gimp me?

Nope, you have a punishment because you were overly negative.

The fact it is a 14 days ban is what you brought upon you for having already managed to deserve a 10 games chat restrict and a 25 game chat restrict.

Also, waiting for Tantram to show the full logs and the other games logs.

:))

VerticalTacos2 votes

Did you get 25 games restricted prior to getting suspended?

W3X70N2 votes

Yeah, one of my games I went off on someone for going afk and then inting so we'd surrender but the one that got me the restriction was saying "I'm muting you." I'm not sur if that's policy that you deserve chat restriction or a suspension for saying that, but that was the only reason that the staff could give me that was why I got restricted.

Is letting someone know that you're muting them so that they don't spend extra time tilting and flaming trying to message you company policy for being banned?

Glîtchy2 votes

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Yeah, one of my games I went off on someone for going afk and then inting so we'd surrender but the one that got me the restriction was saying "I'm muting you." I'm not sur if that's policy that you deserve chat restriction or a suspension for saying that, but that was the only reason that the staff could give me that was why I got restricted.

Is letting someone know that you're muting them so that they don't spend extra time tilting and flaming trying to message you company policy for being banned?

Never resort to inting

SecondAirbane1 votes

he didnt int though

Glîtchy1 votes

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he didnt int though

I thought he said he was inting one game to get his team to surrender

W3X70N2 votes

No, I went off on someone for doing that

W3X70N1 votes

It's not an excuse, just, that's what happened, just clarifying. Not defending it.

VerticalTacos2 votes

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Yeah, one of my games I went off on someone for going afk and then inting so we'd surrender but the one that got me the restriction was saying "I'm muting you." I'm not sur if that's policy that you deserve chat restriction or a suspension for saying that, but that was the only reason that the staff could give me that was why I got restricted.

Is letting someone know that you're muting them so that they don't spend extra time tilting and flaming trying to message you company policy for being banned?

Well at least you got chat restrictions, I skipped restrictions for calling someone a tard when it was misspelled to say turd. Getting suspended instead of chat restricted. So honestly Its hard to say anymore. It seems like ever sense riot took control of the punishment system. They been more pro active in getting accounts banned for money purposes. Meaning that the lightest things a person says can be dramatically used to result in a harsh punishment. Back when I played during the tribunal system. People who didn't work for riot and actually graded reform cards would take more consideration which is why they got rid of it. And put it directly in their control. In the end man, removing the chat box completely is the only way to stop the true enemy, and that's riots grading system.....not other players.

Silent Gravity4 votes

Yes, stating that you're muting, muting pings, or reporting someone is considered inflammatory by the IFS.

l2 4 G 31 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jzYTvzs8,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2017-08-27T23:19:27.025+0000)

Yes, stating that you're muting, muting pings, or reporting someone is considered inflammatory by the IFS.

A Red has literally said the exact opposite of what you are saying, and I have SOMEWHAT tested it, never gotten so much as a warning, as long as that's pretty much all I say...like "hey, just so you know, doing x is a reportable offense and breaks the summoner's code. If you don't stop I will be reporting you after the game"

Chermorg1 votes

No.

They said basically exactly what SG said. It's inflammatory. It's not going to warrant a punishment one time, but if they say it 10 times throughout the game or constantly talk about how people are misbehaving it is punishable.

l2 4 G 32 votes

{quoted}

No.

They said basically exactly what SG said. It's inflammatory. It's not going to warrant a punishment one time, but if they say it 10 times throughout the game or constantly talk about how people are misbehaving it is punishable.

So they DIDN'T say what SG said, and SG said 'it's considered inflammatory by the IFS. It's NOT considered inflammatory by the IFS. Constantly saying it is flagged as having a negative attitude, and thus deemed 'toxic'.

So BASICALLY, exactly what I said/implied? A red has literally commented that telling someone you are muting/reporting them is NOT inflammatory...just be respectful about it...

How can something even be "BASICALLY" exactly? [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Did you literally just feel like disagreeing with me and decide to take a shot at it? Lmfao, because I'm really confused here.

W3X70N1 votes

I just say it so that we call all move forward and be productive. If they're continuing to spam ping me then I'd rather they know that they're wasting their time doing that because I'm not going to hear them. Or prevent them from tilting because they are trying to talk to me expecting an answer.

Like, by this reasoning, you shouldn't tell your S/O that you're breaking up with them and you should just ghost on them. I think it's more courteous to let them know ahead of time that the effort they are going to put in is fruitless you know? But I get it, thems the rules, I just amd trying to get a grip with how I'm seen as such a negative player because of this ya know?

Kei1431 votes

Its ok to tell them that you are muting them.

Its not ok when you are using that as a jumping pad for harassment.

You also call them a troll (when they can just be bad) as a form of harassment, you threated to troll and give up. This type of mild toxicity will get you punished over large amounts of games.

Silent Gravity1 votes

You, I like. I think that this will be your last penalty ever.

The reason that the IFS codes those things as inflammatory comes from the time when chat restrictions could pile up to the thousands. When people were unable to express their negativity through chat, they switched to gameplay trolling to express their discontent. So, if a person knows that their spam pings and insults are no longer having an effect, they'll take your cs, leave you out to dry in fights, int, sell their stuff to buy boots, ect (I know they were already doing that this time, rough game). Telling someone that you're doing any of those things is feeding the troll. Giving a reaction. Ghosting them doesn't give a reaction, so they're more likely to resume playing the game.

Your analogy makes really good sense and your conclusion follows well, but if you switch it a little bit, I think you may change your mind about the conclusion. Imagine a crazy S/O. You've already broken up with them, and let them know. They send you mail (pings). You mute it by throwing it away or having the post service return them. Replying to any of the mail would signal that you're interested in them (because they're crazy) and they would send (or do) more. If they show up to your house, lock the door and pretend you're not home. (mute) Then call the cops. (report) Shouting out the window that you're calling the cops would more likely lead to them breaking in. If they think you're not home, they may leave you alone. If they show up to your work with a knife saying that if you won't marry them they want to wear your face, you don't shout out, "I'm calling the cops! (reporting you)" because that'll increase the crazy. You excuse yourself to go to the bathroom, lock the door, and quietly call the cops.

Crazy people and trolls are both looking for reactions.

I think my analogy went overboard.

Silent Gravity2 votes

You should avoid telling people that you're muting them or their pings.

Don't threaten to report. Either report after the game or not. It's a private decision. Putting it in chat inflames the situation.

Asking someone to stop trolling is the same as calling them a troll. If they're actually trying to play well, it's not pleasant. If they are trolling, they already know it and are looking to get a rise out of you. Either way, it's not the best.

Saying that you're not trying anymore is negative. If there was a player on your team trying their hardest, then they have to deal with 3 trolls instead of just the two. Toxicity is called toxicity because it poisons the environment, creating more unpleasant interactions.

Your complaint about Zac's ult was done in an insulting manner, focusing on what had already happened. The past cannot be changed. If you word it to look towards the future, "Don't ult the bruiser on to me next time", the IFS considers that less negative/punishable.

The number of chat logs to earn punishments depends on the severity and the time since your last punishment. If this was the first or second game off a chat restriction, it's normal for the IFS to be harsh.

/Edit I'm not trying to be harsh, I know you've been trying to be careful of what you say and how you say it. I'm pointing out the things that I know the IFS finds negative, so that you can include them in the things you're being careful of.

W3X70N3 votes

I said I wasn't trying to compete with her for CS anymore. I think in context it shows I was really trying to handle the situation the best that I could. And I wasn't trying to be insulting, it was a joke. I get he was doing his best, and he joked back that I walked into his ult instead. It was entirely light hearted. I appreciate the feed back though. I get that you're telling me for my own benefit and it's just the way it is, and I appreciate you acknowledging that I'm attempting to do the right thing.

Winters Dawn1 votes

You type too much. People who spend a lot of time in game typing usless shit like that should he banned. Focus on yourself in the game, just shut up and play

W3X70N7 votes

So simply typing = should be banned. Ok, thank you for the feed back.

Winters Dawn1 votes

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So simply typing = should be banned. Ok, thank you for the feed back.

No not just typing. But unnecessary and too much typing should be. People like that spend soooooo much time smashing their keyboard. Just shut the hell up and play the damn game. It is not that hard. My last 20 games ive typed 0 words. Because Pinging objectives and warnimgs are just enough even more effective than crying in chat.

Kei1431 votes

They show you 1 - 5 games of recent games of unacceptable behavior as example.

It doesn't mean you were punished for just 1 game. If we had your full report card, it would say something like "this behavior was consistent through 25% of your recent games".

Keep in mind that you are working yourself up the punishment ladder, and your next punishment is a permaban.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Is it 0 to 14 day ban? If yes, that's too harsh. 5 game chatban at most.

Búbblegum1 votes

Honestly you are actually being really annoying, no matter what sona did If I were a solo laner or jungler and see my bot lane spamming the chat with useless shit and bitching all the game I would report them too.

But you didn't deserve a 14 day ban for that, i would only give you a 10-25 games chat restriction.Unless you were toxic in other games ofc.

Rockm Sockm1 votes

The only thing you can do is never talk to a troll, or inter.

Riot only cares about what people type in chat and will ban you. The troll will continue to troll and your account will be perma banned.

They dont care if you submit video evidence, they don't care what they do in champ select or post chat. They only care that you typed in-game chat.

Riot does not care, understand that

Telephone Booth1 votes

Yeah... 24 lines of telling sona to stop is a little excessive man. That's what reporting is for. If she's intentionally ruining your game, you report. You don't tell her to stop 24 times in 15 different ways. Also, you said you stopped trying and to blame sona for it. You're just using chat in the wrong way. It's not intended to blame people, and harass them. 24 times telling her to stop becomes harassment. If she was trolling you, you report her after the game. Yes, you can ask her to stop, but i would've said 10 times is too much. 24? Waaay too much. I would've reported both of you. I hope sona received some punishment as well.

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