The community suddenly lost all credibility for me (Riot Socrates on Tyler1)

Sum Wun Speshal·4/30/2016, 12:29:56 PM·309 votes·20,296 views

Getting upvotes or downvotes suddenly lost any meaning whatsoever. The popular comments I have seen on the Riot Socrates thread that get nothing but support are more than questionable. And I wonder what part of the community this thread attracts to make it seem like the Tyler defenders speak common sense.

In my opinion we have gone too far if a Master player can behave so badly that it almost seems autistic to any non-toxic person and then even get popular on Twitch solely for his behavior. The reaction to this thread have been more than counter-intuitive for me.
You can literally go out and catch the worst offender of the summoner's code and finally tell people:

"We don't want this kind of behavior to persist in our game and while we are not perfect we do recognize there are jerks and we are willing to pursue the correct measures for these players" (not the exact quote).

And what will the reaction be from a community that can't shut up about the feeders, trolls and ragers in their games not being pursued in the tribunal system?

  1. They will defend their newly popular twitch star.
  2. They will downvote the hell out of Riot Socrates.
  3. They will tell other people to stop being a pussy about someone telling them to kill themselves.
  4. They will moan about how unfair this situation is.

2000 downvotes for a post announcing that the worst offender of the summoner's code that had not two, not three, but NINETEEN opportunities to reform after already going through the hardest penalty the system has to offer which is the perma-ban.

One perma-ban alone is a pretty harsh penalty. Very few of us have had their account permanently banned. You have to fuck up pretty hard to even get to a single perma-ban.

Please tell me: How can you possibly defend a player and marginalize what he has done if he topped them all?

Oh, I know. You can't. Because, instead of delivering some useful information that could be valuable in a discussion about whether Tyler1 should be super perma-banned or not you say shit like:

"Oh, Kaceytron and Nicktron and all those booby streamers I don't even know the name of, they still wander around freely and don't have their accounts perma-banned. This is so unfair to Tyler and a real injustice. Way to go Riot. Ruin the game even more for all of us. I wish I was back in Season 3 were I could tell people I would bath in the blood of their lifeless bodies after stabbing them 32 times and that wasn't considered toxic. Damn those were the days, man. You all need to grow some balls. But instead, toxic people get banned. Meanwhile the trolls still get away."

Dear tyler_fanboy_111, yes, ragers are worse than trolls and afk's because it feels pretty terrible to be judged over the internet by someone that probably has 0 responsibilities in real life and will likely be yelled at by his mother when she finds out what outrageous words her son knows. All I learn from having afk's is that I can rage all I want, nobody will listen or care because the offender is not there anymore. So, the only thing I get from this is not to take the game too seriously before I embarrass myself in front of 8 other players by raging and insulting over a videogame. But what do ragers do that is specifically toxic? They are toxic. Susceptible players will adapt the toxic behavior once they have seen enough of your shit because after all the raging they have been through, they will seek for some personal justice and start raging at other innocent players. Or, in another scenario, susceptible players will learn that it is ok to flame your teammates if they play badly.

But did you see what your defense for Tyler looked like? You just named other people that did kind of similarly bad stuff and say "well, nobody cares about them, right?". Yes, we do care about them but this is another story. They are assholes too but they are assholes for different reasons. And what Tyler did is inexcusable and you are just proving the point by distracting from the actual issue. Why do you do that? Because Tyler1's case is no grey zone. He is way beyond toxic and at this point you can't even defend him anymore. There are no arguments to be said that could possibly put Tyler in a better light.

If there is anything we can learn from this incident it is not only that Riot actually cares about cleaning the Rift from the absolute worst kind of players, it is also a preventive mechanism to keep the players from having such a terrible personality as a role model for the wrong reasons. I usually wouldn't approve this kind of paternalism but if the players aren't capable of differentiating productive and counterproductive behavior in any society, someone has to do it for them. Even if it is a gigantic videogame company.

rant over

edit: formatting looks screwed at some points. I know it's just typeface things but I don't want to mess it up even more. Sorry.

192 Comments

Savage Devi4/30/2016, 12:33:05 PM94 votes

The up and downvotes on that thread do not represent the League or Boards community. They represent the Tyler fans and Tyler fans only. The thread just got raided, simple as that.

kJs4/30/2016, 4:59:22 PM16 votes

The same reason Dunkey got a lot of support for being toxic. There are a lot of brain-dead humans on this planet that blindly support popular people simply because they are popular. There are similarities to celebrities like Kim Kardashian and Justin Bieber. They are willing to dismiss negative behaviour/beliefs from said figure because they are popular.

People are stupid.

hhaavviikk4/30/2016, 4:14:20 PM15 votes

dude why you gotta use autism in that way, that's just insulting, it's already bad enough everyone is starting to use autism as a swear word

Sarutobi4/30/2016, 4:36:03 PM9 votes

Honestly though this is the same thing that happen when Dunkey got ban. His fan base was downvoting basically every thread created, asking for him to be unban, basically everything that is happening now. It will die down in a week or two.

But you are right and it's always funny when people seem to only bring up that he was toxic in chat as his only means of being ban. They never account for him intentionally feeding, and going AFK. Nor do they talk about him buying accounts, all of which are ban able offenses. So even if you take out the toxic behavior, you are left with all those (and possibly more) to be left to ban him with!

Frosty Hoodoo4/30/2016, 7:32:08 PM7 votes

Riot, stick with the punishment you issued. Simple as that. Sure people will be unhappy that their favorite twitch star got permabanned with no hope of recourse, but thats just a fact of life.

doombotMECHA4/30/2016, 8:18:42 PM7 votes

honestly I know you're tryin to make a point but can we leave autism out of this please and thank

((so that's it. he's literally just a pissbaby in game and he finally got banned for it? thank god.))

Serevas4/30/2016, 12:38:23 PM6 votes

We should also add in there that it wasn't purely for the text he threw out there that he got banned, but also for the rest of his behavior. The numerous counts of intentional feeding, I'm sure everyone's seen the Robertxlee video by now where he starts feeding intentionally and actually throws an easy victory over not getting blue buff as Draven.

He's actually a pristine example of the kind of person you don't want playing the game.

Kofei4/30/2016, 7:11:39 PM6 votes

I hope Riot sticks with the ban and not get swayed by all the fanboys ranting

Angelarius4/30/2016, 9:39:47 PM5 votes

using "autistic" as a pejorative to describe toxic people... I didn't read further, you might have some really great things to say in there but your bigotry means my respect for your opinion is gone. Too bad, usually good sentence structure and grammar denotes an intelligent person.

OG 4m4zing4/30/2016, 1:30:28 PM5 votes

You wasted 30 minutes of your life with writing such a useless long text. Gz kid.

Maratsune4/30/2016, 7:35:29 PM1 votes

I've no clue who Tyler is but for so many members of the League community to support him, he HAS to be toxic af. cough that udyr guy cough