League ban

thelastcuban·Feb 20, 2018·2 votes·316 views

Hi, i have somethings to discuss with the banning system. Today, my account thelastcuban on NA was banned due to toxicity. In the game i was toxic due to someone who was flaming my friend and i defended him. Even though i was toxic, i don't believe this deserves an account ban, rather than just a chat restriction. It makes no sense on how my account was banned due to me defending my friend, and if me defending my friends got enemies or teammates triggered they have the option to mute me and if it so much of a problem just chat restrict me. I've been in games where people int on my team and don't get penalized about it, and I get banned for defending my friend. I appreciate league trying to fix toxicity, but a ban should be for people cheating or intentionally feeding. Not for toxicity. That's is what chat restrictions are for, not bans,

8 Comments

ModThe DjinnFeb 20, 20186 votes

You cannot defend someone with toxicity -- all you can do is attack back. Note the difference in the following responses to "You suck, you fucking n00b!"

"You're garbage yourself, fuckface."
"Eh. Having a rough game, yeah."
/mute

The first is a counterattack, and unacceptable. The second is a harmless deflection, and fine. The third is a defense, which blocks all further attacks against you. Your defense is the mute button, and if you and your friend used it the attacks instantly cease.

Additionally, if you got a ban for toxicity, it either means it is a recurring habit or you used extreme language, such as hate speech.

thelastcubanFeb 21, 20181 votes

My question is that if you have multiple ways with dealing with toxicity, how is banning an account better than just chat muting when all I did was go aggro in chat. Ban's should be used for people who are cheating or intentionally inting, rather than people going aggro in chat, that is what chat restrictions are for, aren't they? So what is the purpose of having chat restrictions if you cant even use them for the right problem rather than just banning an account for the wrong problem.

ModThe DjinnFeb 21, 20183 votes

{quoted}...that is what chat restrictions are for, aren't they?

That is what chat restrictions are for, yes. I imagine that you received at least one, however, leading up to your ban. If behaviors do not improve, Riot takes more extreme steps.

They DID try unlimited chat restrictions in the past. The experiment didn't prove effective at reducing toxicity. That is why we have the model we have now.

thelastcubanFeb 23, 20181 votes

I have yet to ever recieve a chat restriction. I understand what i did was wrong and should go punished but not with a ban intended for cheating and intentionally feeding. You guys at riot have a ban meant for toxicity, chat restrictions, and instead of giving me one that would fix my problem, my account gets banned.

ModThe DjinnFeb 23, 20181 votes

{quoted}I have yet to ever recieve a chat restriction.

Then you likely exhibited zero-tolerance behavior and skipped immediately to the 14-day ban stage.

I understand what i did was wrong and should go punished but not with a ban intended for cheating and intentionally feeding. You guys at riot have a ban meant for toxicity, chat restrictions, and instead of giving me one that would fix my problem, my account gets banned.

This is actually a fundamental misunderstanding (but a common one) of the purpose of the permanent ban.

It is not just a ban for feeding or cheating. It is a ban for people that Riot feels have shown they are not good members of the League community and not good for the health of said community. This includes cheaters and intentional feeders, yes, but it also includes sufficiently toxic players who show no inclination or desire to improve their behavior.

They DID try chat restrictions and similar experiments before, and they did not do enough to improve toxicity in those players. Riot is also not especially interested in having players who are deemed too toxic to communicate be members of their gaming community.

Timethief49Feb 20, 20183 votes

Its funny that you say your teammates and enemies can use the mute button if you annoy them, but you dont think about the fact that YOU can also use the mute button instead of "defending" your friend.

Telephone BoothFeb 21, 20181 votes

So you told him, no your friend is a good player? He did x because of y... he had to recall and couldn't go in... things of that nature? Or was it more like childish insults in retaliation for insulting your friend? There's a big difference. Also, you know that mute option is available to you, right?

thelastcubanFeb 23, 20181 votes

He was flaming him due to the fact that he did not want to follow someones stupidity. I suppose I coudlve been the bigger man in this scenario and just muted him but that doesnt fix his toxicity does it? Just like if people mute me for being toxic, it doesnt mean i will never be toxic again. Thats why i believe people should be chat restricted rather then account banned.