Yea he did nothing wrong https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player#h2q3
"3) DO NOT REPORT A SUMMONER FOR TACTICAL DISAGREEMENTS"
riot if your support team doesn't know the rules to your own report system then you are all doing something wrong...
Thanks to "SwainLaneWinGame" for posting that in comments of the original post all credit to him for this find I'm just decided it deserves its own post.
Krigjer13 votesThe replies to this thread are clawing desperately at loopholes stated in other rules of the game.
It basically boils down to Riot enforcing a meta that they claim you can experiment with.
Magical Player11 votesNegative Attitude - This category is reserved for unhelpful or self-centered attitudes that go against the principles of a team-based game.
note the word self centered
Griefing: Intentional Feeding – This category aims at punishing behavior that involves deliberately dying to enemy champions or turrets to make the opposing team more powerful while putting your team at a disadvantage. This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment! note the words putting your team at a disadvantage
Oleandervine21 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-27T19:46:45.541+0000)
Negative Attitude - This category is reserved for unhelpful or self-centered attitudes that go against the principles of a team-based game.
note the word self centered
Griefing: Intentional Feeding – This category aims at punishing behavior that involves deliberately dying to enemy champions or turrets to make the opposing team more powerful while putting your team at a disadvantage. This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment! note the words putting your team at a disadvantage
If you've read the now 300+ likes and 2k views post, you'd know that what the Gold Nunu player discusses isn't in violation of any of that. He basically counter jungles from the bottom lane, setting his enemy jungler behind, at a very minor expense to his ADC (they have to play safer, how horrible). The reduction of enemy jungle pressure ensures his own jungler has a better shot at ganking the lanes and applying larger map pressure, which far outweighs the very minor setback the ADC had from playing safe.
Magical Player5 votesIf you've read the now 300+ likes and 2k views post, you'd know that what the Gold Nunu player discusses isn't in violation of any of that. He basically counter jungles from the bottom lane, setting his enemy jungler behind, at a very minor expense to his ADC (they have to play safer, how horrible). The reduction of enemy jungle pressure ensures his own jungler has a better shot at ganking the lanes and applying larger map pressure, which far outweighs the very minor setback the ADC had from playing safe.
You know, I have, and I still believe that Negative Attitude - This category is reserved for unhelpful or self-centered attitudes that go against the principles of a team-based game. Griefing: Intentional Feeding – This category aims at punishing behavior that involves deliberately dying to enemy champions or turrets to make the opposing team more powerful while putting your team at a disadvantage. This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment! are still applicable to him Self centered attitude- he did what he wanted regardless of his team, the same logic a feeder/troll has. not saying he was trolling or feeding Griefing- to you what appears a minor set back, to others is a major set back. No need to discuss this point further as both of us see a different side to it
Tupaco15 voteshe's not inting... bad game =/= inting thus griefing is not a proper report he is also not giving any help to enemy infact putting enemy jg behind is the complete opposite
"Self centered attitude- he did what he wanted regardless of his team, the same logic a feeder/troll has. not saying he was trolling or feeding" ok you heard it hear all one tricks are bannable guys!
Magical Player4 voteshe's not inting... bad game =/= inting thus griefing is not a proper report he is also not giving any help to enemy infact putting enemy jg behind is the complete opposite
"Self centered attitude- he did what he wanted regardless of his team, the same logic a feeder/troll has. not saying he was trolling or feeding" ok you heard it hear all one tricks are bannable guys!
Allow me to bold the part Griefing: Intentional Feeding – This category aims at punishing behavior that involves deliberately dying to enemy champions or turrets to make the opposing team more powerful while **putting your team at a disadvantage. This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment! **
Tupaco9 votes"This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment!" you must be blind correct?
it clearly states that right here ^ that mistakes or lapses of judgment aren't a valid reason If I got my brand banned and Had to go lets say Veigar support we lose is that bannable? no its not... Its not hard to read also
Magical Player3 votes"This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment!" you must be blind correct?
..... He continually does something that puts his team at a disadvantage in 1 lane Im confused where you think a 2v1 is an advantage for the bot laner?
Again we can discuss this until the cows come home but we both see opposite views I am only citing riots report a player page and giving my opinion as to why it applies
Krigjer21 votes..... He continually does something that puts his team at a disadvantage in 1 lane
So why does Bard exist?
Magical Player2 votesSo why does Bard exist?
Someone at riot felt bard needed to exist, I guess? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tNDoXIYptk
Im thinking you are referring to his wander gameplay, where he is tasked with collecting shrine dingles Never seen a bard roam top to get the dingles before, outside of late game ofc.
Krigjer12 votesIm thinking you are referring to his wander gameplay, where he is tasked with collecting shrine dingles Never seen a bard roam top to get the dingles before, outside of late game ofc.
But they still roam, whether it's back to your red buff or to the second turret, which in your original post is 'putting the adc at a disadvantage in a 2v1'.
Riot clearly thinks a roaming support is okay- they designed a champion that is encouraged to do so or part of their kit suffers.
Magical Player1 votesBut they still roam, whether it's back to your red buff or to the second turret, which in your original post is 'putting the adc at a disadvantage in a 2v1'.
Riot clearly thinks a roaming support is okay- they designed a champion that is encouraged to do so or part of their kit suffers.
Bard dingles matter as much as nasus stacks You do not prioritize their collection
Krigjer9 votesBard dingles matter as much as nasus stacks You do not prioritize their collection
??? I kind of agree on the Bard point- his meeps may not matter depending on how you build. I build on-hit Bard so the power spike is around 60 chimes- so yes, I really want to collect those chimes.
But isn't the point of Nasus to stack like crazy but build tank? So you do damage but take a lot to kill? Saying Nasus stacks shouldn't be prioritized is very odd to me.
Magical Player2 votes??? I kind of agree on the Bard point- his meeps may not matter depending on how you build. I build on-hit Bard so the power spike is around 60 chimes- so yes, I really want to collect those chimes.
But isn't the point of Nasus to stack like crazy but build tank? So you do damage but take a lot to kill? Saying Nasus stacks shouldn't be prioritized is very odd to me.
Nasus depending on how you build stacks dont matter
Dracocrash9 votes9gag's community scares me sometimes.
grittedblade1 votesthere are ap nasus builds but you are supposed to only use those in lanes nasus loses to make up for his normal weaknesses otherwise his regular stacking tank build is better in my humble opinion.
Krigjer1 votesthere are ap nasus builds but you are supposed to only use those in lanes nasus loses to make up for his normal weaknesses otherwise his regular stacking tank build is better in my humble opinion.
I didn't want to mention AP builds to the original poster because he was saying stacking didn't matter- figured he was trolling me.
grittedblade1 votesyeah the line between ignorance, not being familiar enough with a champ and getting caught up in a flavor of the month build thinking its the new hotness, and outright trolling can be hard to read sometimes, hey! topical.
Hyperiön13 votesYou see it all the time in LCS.
Magical Player2 votes[{quoted}](name=FF Hyperion,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-02-27T20:46:28.371+0000)
You see it all the time in LCS.
Find me smite support nunu in the lcs
Hyperiön14 votesYou were talking about bard roaming to get his chimes. Going all over the map.
Hyperiön10 votesYet he has a 56% winrate on Nunu? Over 300 games played on him.
Silver Singed12 votesHe has a pretty high win rate on nunu dude. He's not putting his team at a disadvantage. He's just deciding to support his entire team instead of one lane.
Dyrus called him the only nunu main he knew of in high elo and basically said he was the standard for nunu play. His ADC often finished lane about 600g behind but that's usually in exchange for every dragon, rift herald, the enemy jungler getting about half of their own camps, amazing vision control, and the enemy support also being forced to roam to respond to him.
Most pros and even many Rioters say that one tricking is the easiest way to improve at the game and climb. This guy just one tricked support nunu into high elo.
Skins Project3 votesA 2v1 is an advantage in laneing phase... Why do you think jungle exists instead of duo top as meta.. You get an XP lead, and potential gold lead. As the game progresses the lead grows bigger and bigger.
Magical Player1 votes[{quoted}](name=Skins Project,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2017-02-28T08:01:10.390+0000)
A 2v1 is an advantage in laneing phase... Why do you think jungle exists instead of duo top as meta.. You get an XP lead, and potential gold lead. As the game progresses the lead grows bigger and bigger.
Note the 1v2* that i stated vs the 2v1 you think I stated
top is a 1v1 lane.... so niether top lane typically gets a lead over the other unless they win a fight or just cs better
The NUNU made bot a 1v2 for his adc No matter how you view it, the adc was not getting ahead in this laning style If someone reported him, the report reviewed the game after hundreds of reviews the system saw a pattern/history of valid reporting after reports given, punishment was given
Not sure what more you want
Skins Project1 votesOh my lord. I"M SAYING WHY IS TOP 1v1 INSTEAD OF 1v2 BECAUSE IT IS A DISADVANTAGE TO HAVE A 2v1 FOR THE 2. THE SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO BOT. Why do you think there can be top/bot lane swaps.
Magical Player1 votes[{quoted}](name=Skins Project,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000300000000,timestamp=2017-02-28T23:11:14.665+0000)
Oh my lord. I"M SAYING WHY IS TOP 1v1 INSTEAD OF 1v2 BECAUSE IT IS A DISADVANTAGE TO HAVE A 2v1 FOR THE 2. THE SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO BOT. Why do you think there can be top/bot lane swaps.
Is it? a 2v1 can easily apply pressure and zone out the 1 thus a 2v1 is advantageous for the 2 and puts the 1 at a disadvantage THE SAME LOGIC APPLIES TO BOT
Skins Project1 votesShort term vs Long term.
Short term loss of cs/zoning LONG term, gold advantage, xp advantage. If you don't believe me go jungle but go duo top, see how well it works out.
Magical Player1 votes[{quoted}](name=Skins Project,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-01T00:28:01.185+0000)
Short term vs Long term.
Short term loss of cs/zoning LONG term, gold advantage, xp advantage. If you don't believe me go jungle but go duo top, see how well it works out.
You mean intentionally throw away the jungle role, just to prove that duo top will have an advantage over a solo top?????
SwainLaneWinGame1 votes[{quoted}](name=Skins Project,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-01T03:29:47.097+0000)
Try it. PROVE to me that your right.
I mean jungle exists for a reason doesn't it? Or are you going to stick by your argument 2v1 is CLEARLY advantageous. I mean if you have two top won't you just negate one of the enemy team members while having a CLEAR advantage, giving you two carries and them one feeder? That's your argument in a nutshell.
Not at all, because the enemy player will farm under turret, and your 2 duo will lose more xp and possibly gold.
DrCyanide8 votesLet me bold the important part:
Griefing: Intentional Feeding – This category aims at punishing behavior that involves deliberately dying to enemy champions or turrets to make the opposing team more powerful while putting your team at a disadvantage. This is not intended for genuine mistakes or lapses of judgment!
Your logic would have it be a category to report feeding in general.
Magical Player1 votesLet me bold the important part:
Your logic would have it be a category to report feeding in general.
You're right and you're wrong Removing the intentional feeding Greifing: intentionally putting your team at a disadvantage Griefing: intent feeding: dying to enemies to put your team at a disadvantage You can Grief, without feeding Riot only examples the grief feeding So, gonna roll with this still
DrCyanide8 votesTrue, there are other ways to grief beyond feeding, but the key is still intentionally putting them at a disadvantage.
He's playing his most successful strategy because he wants to put his team at an advantage. That's not griefing.
Magical Player1 votesTrue, there are other ways to grief beyond feeding, but the key is still intentionally putting them at a disadvantage.
He's playing his most successful strategy because he wants to put his team at an advantage. That's not griefing.
He is intentionally doing something he knows will put his bottom lane at a disadvantage?>>?
How can you sit there and think a 1v2 is an advantage for the 1??????
SwainLaneWinGame9 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=000000010000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-28T03:37:03.452+0000)
He is intentionally doing something he knows will put his bottom lane at a disadvantage?>>?
How can you sit there and think a 1v2 is an advantage for the 1??????
Vayne players put me at a disadvantage when I play support; perhaps I should report them as well because I'm unhappy and disgruntled with their choice of champion?
Magical Player2 votesVayne players put me at a disadvantage when I play support; perhaps I should report them as well because I'm unhappy and disgruntled with their choice of champion?
Sure report them if it is a consistent problem inside the game I guess it will be punished
SwainLaneWinGame10 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=00000001000000000000000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-02-28T04:18:44.867+0000)
Sure report them if it is a consistent problem inside the game I guess it will be punished
And you don't see ANY problem with that? How dense can you be.
DrCyanide7 votesNot ganking Mid or giving them Blue Buff puts your Mid at a disadvantage, do you report your Jungler for that?
He lets 1 player be at a disadvantage in exchange for putting 3 other players at an advantage. Note that the report category also mentions "putting your team at a disadvantage", not "putting your ADC at a disadvantage".
BlackFlux8 voteswow that's...a legitimate and unusual strategy.
Anidan7 votesIt reminds me of things I see in DotA2. I, personally, 100% support this kind of strategy where the support also roams to help other allies exert more pressure and not just kind of attach themselves to their carry. What happens when I'm the hard carry and my support leaves me alone to go roam? I play safe and adjust. If I get ganked and killed while he's roaming it's not because he's a bad support but because the enemies saw a good opportunity to exploit someone who's currently vulnerable and they took the chance they got. It's one of the risks of having a roaming support, but the roaming support can put in some major work on the map and exert some good pressure so in the short term I may be peeved at getting killed alone, but later in the game when I've caught up anyway I'll be glad he put the rest of our team on good footing.
FTWolf6 votesWasnt he dia 1?
Rory Fking 19 votesTupaco2 votesI don't agree is magical lets just not insult someone
BigBellBrute5 votesYea he did nothing wrong https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player#h2q3
"3) DO NOT REPORT A SUMMONER FOR TACTICAL DISAGREEMENTS"
riot if your support team doesn't know the rules to your own report system then you are all doing something wrong...
Thanks to "SwainLaneWinGame" for posting that in comments of the original post all credit to him for this find I'm just decided it deserves its own post.
He wasn't reported for a tactical disagreement. He was reported for not following the principles of a team based game.
SwainLaneWinGame11 votesHe wasn't reported for a tactical disagreement. He was reported for not following the principles of a team based game.
Actually he was reported for "stealing players' roles" -- which makes no sense because all roles were filled out and active in the game.
Take the Draw12 votesHe was reported for not following the principles of a team based game.
Help only one person, instead of everyone?
SwainLaneWinGame5 votes[{quoted}](name=Take the Draw,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hJHsyQwA,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2017-02-28T01:31:25.846+0000)
Help only one person, instead of everyone?
Hahaha great point.
Yea, totally was reported and banned because you didn't babysit just one player at the expense of the rest of your team, regardless of whether that one player was able to perform well or not. TOTALLY a team player experience.
Photos of Ghosts5 votesYou fuck, you KNOW that the "quality of the experience" is always going to be lower with off-meta picks, due to people being raging sheep. The only way we can stop that is by having Riot ENCOURAGE off-meta play. As long as the meta exists, meters will feel entitled to enslave those of us who have a free will.
EndlessSorcerer3 votesWhen Riot introduce the Role Selection system, they made the decision to enforce role assignments.
While this is primarily used to prevent people from stealing another players role, it may be applied to these cases too.
Even though they were assigned to a particular role, they didn't fulfill the basic responsibilities expected of that role (against the wishes of their teammates).
SwainLaneWinGame8 votesWhen Riot introduce the Role Selection system, they made the decision to enforce role assignments.
If you are assigned a certain role, you are expected to fulfill the responsibilities of that role.
While this is primarily used to prevent people from stealing another players role, it may be applied to these cases too.
Even though they were assigned to a particular role, they didn't fulfill the basic responsibilities expected of that role (against the wishes of their teammates).
Yes, the nunu player SELECTED SUPPORT/JG AS HIS PRIMARY ROLES.
Now, go find me where it says "Support role is to be played in bot lane only". Go find it, I'll wait.
..............
You won't find it anywhere because it doesn't EXIST. Every other role has an assigned lane, except Support. It's obviously recommended to be bot lane, because that's how the meta has been for past few seasons, but nowhere does it say the support player has to be and stay in bot lane with the carry player and cater to their every whim and desire. Especially these days where we have people playing Lethality carry champions all over the map not just bot lane, this notion of "bot lane is only ad carry and support" has gone out the window. We have ziggs bot, we have duo mage kill lanes, we Lethality vaynes quinns etc top/mid and so on. It's ridiculous to hold someone accountable for playing their UNASSIGNED role of "SUPPORT" hostage because another player is "uncomfortable" without them.